What happened to the perimeter shooter we needed? Why did we draft another small forward instead and are we going to trade one of our SF's for a shooter? As far as picking indidvidual talent, Lee is great around the hoop but his D is nonexistant and Balkman has no offensive game, so far anyway. I think these kids are great and I'm hoping they develope but where is Lee going to play now that we've traded for Randolph? Are they going to trade him and, if so, for who? I guess Isiah has an eye for young talent but you need vision to build a winning team and that's something he just doesn't have. He was a great player but his skills just don't translate to a great front office guy and he's not alone. The East is rife with HOF'ers running teams and maybe that's the problem. Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Micheal Jordan (gasp!), Isiah Thomas and on a lesser level Danny Ainge in Boston. These guys are basketball icons but businessmen, gimme a break! Look at the moves thay make, a lot of them just don't make sense to me but what do I know? Well, except, as SAS says, "The East is a JV league". The guy may be a cartoon but I can't say he's wrong, the east is a disgrace and you don't have to look further than who's running the show. So, do we secede from the NBA or scour the land for fresh front office blood like drafting MBA's straight out of college or sumpin'. Ahhh, lemme get some sleep and maybe when I wake up it'll 1969 again. Sorry guys, just a rant from an old old fan......

nixluva writes:

HEY don't try and speak for me, taking only part of what I write, making up crap, putting it in quotes to make it seem like it's true. In fact since you're such a piece of crap i'm going to ignore you from now on. Cuz you don't bring anything to the table and you LIE and make up things to try and make your point. GOOD NIGHT ASS!

I don't have to you did the work yourself in these post here


Number 1

This is not a Lover vs. Hater issue. I think TrueBlue is reaching here. There's been no line drawn along those lines with this issue. I would like to stand pat and prepare for Cap Flexibility in 2 years. If we added JO, that would immediately boost the team, since he's obviously a real talent, however he is a risk. His age and lack of playing a full season in recent years are the reasons.

Now I know JO isn't exaclty over the hill, but he'll be 29 at the start of next season and I'm not sure how he'll hold up over the rest of his contract. He'll be making 19.7, 21.3 and 22.9 mil over the next 3 years. Isiah has be to CONFIDENT that adding JO would make this team a Title contender and be able to stay on the court or else don't make the deal.

You state the addition of J.O. would boost the team but you still didn't want the addition to jeopardize our cap



Number 2

OH PLEASE!!! GET REAL!!! As USUAL you guys are TOTALLY LOST!!! When it came to the Knicks everyone knows that we didn't have to worry about the cap so long as we had all those big long contracts still being paid off. NOW the thinking has to shift to meet the current situation. We've come to a point where our biggest contracts are up in 2 more years. WHY should we have worried about the cap back when we had no chance to get under until the big contracts ran out. At that time it made sense to go ahead and make deals regardless of the cost, since it wasn't going to change the fact that we were over the cap. So we made deals in an effort to improve the team. The thing is that we don't have any HUGE contracts after the end of 2008/09. We can make a deal for a bigtime FA at that time, so the situation is COMPLETELY different.


You guys are pathetic in your attempts to paint some of us as hypocrites or being out of touch. No one is stupid here. We all know how this works just the same as you do. No one was advocating spending like fools for all eternity. You worry about the cap when you have an honest chance to be substantially under it.

It's clear that there's been an effort to keep things within reason so that in 2009 we could make a play in the FA market. At that time the team will still have reasonable levels of youth and we can make a good 4-6 year run when the teams playeres should be at their peak.

Another 2009 reference by none other than yourself


Number 3

No one is happy that we gave up unprotected picks. Who would actually LIKE that. A case can be made that we haven't yet been killed by losing those picks, but that is something you do after the fact. I believe that poster are saying they like what we have in Curry. That doesn't necessarily mean they love losing the "potential" that those picks had. As of yet we haven't really seen a better player come from that trade. We don't know if this years pick will be either. It will take YEARS before we have an answer to that ?

I think that all of this is a distraction from the most important point in all this. JO is a different type of deal at a different time in this teams development. JO himself is at a different point in his career than Curry, who admittedly was mostly still living on potential. We already Know what JO is. We know he's better than anyone we have at PF, but there are other considerations. Is he worth the risk at this point in his career and what his impact would be for this team in terms of the cap. Will he make enough of a difference to warrant erasing any chance of having cap flexibility?

Boy you sure were concerned about that cap situation


Number 4

Can you be so confident that JO will actually play more than 70 games in each of those 5 years. Especially since he's rarely done that? I'm not saying that JO isn't a gifted player that when healthy is worth building a team around. I just question the risk of banking on him now and bascially killing any chance at landing someone better in 2 yrs. It's not a slam dunk. That's really all that i'm saying. Isiah will have to really think long and hard about all of his options and how good he thinks JO would be for this team. Is it just mid playoffs good or Title good? What are JO's prospects for resuming his career relatively injury free? He just had Arthroscopic Surgery to repair torn cartilage in his Knee. Exactly how are his Knees? There are some legit concerns.

And you can't get off easily reasoning you'd trade for Zach but not J.O. due to health reasons because Zach played in 68gms last yr less than 70, the yr before 74, the yr before 46. And NBA fans without any hesitation when comparing body of work J.O.>Zach 100 out of 100 times.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-29-2007 02:14 AM]

Posted by TheRevenant:

What happened to the perimeter shooter we needed? Why did we draft another small forward instead and are we going to trade one of our SF's for a shooter? As far as picking indidvidual talent, Lee is great around the hoop but his D is nonexistant and Balkman has no offensive game, so far anyway. I think these kids are great and I'm hoping they develope but where is Lee going to play now that we've traded for Randolph? Are they going to trade him and, if so, for who? I guess Isiah has an eye for young talent but you need vision to build a winning team and that's something he just doesn't have. He was a great player but his skills just don't translate to a great front office guy and he's not alone. The East is rife with HOF'ers running teams and maybe that's the problem. Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Micheal Jordan (gasp!), Isiah Thomas and on a lesser level Danny Ainge in Boston. These guys are basketball icons but businessmen, gimme a break! Look at the moves thay make, a lot of them just don't make sense to me but what do I know? Well, except, as SAS says, "The East is a JV league". The guy may be a cartoon but I can't say he's wrong, the east is a disgrace and you don't have to look further than who's running the show. So, do we secede from the NBA or scour the land for fresh front office blood like drafting MBA's straight out of college or sumpin'. Ahhh, lemme get some sleep and maybe when I wake up it'll 1969 again. Sorry guys, just a rant from an old old fan......

Knicks traded for Nichols. 2nd best shooter in the draft according to Draftexpress.com. I hope that answers your concerns. Get some sleep, gramps.
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=610

The whole point of your post is flawed

"In the 90's we had Ewing then got Starks, Oakley, Mase, Harper, Houston ,Spree, Camby, LJ with capspace and wise decisions."

Not true at all. The only time the Knicks really had cap space during that entire run was during the 96 offseason when we signed Allan Houston and Chris Childs, the latter being an absolutely awful move

Everyone else came through trades, Starks and Mason being the exception as both were basically found on the scrap heap as young players and no one wanted them. Anyone could have signed them, had nothing to do with cap space. The Knicks during that entire run were basically always right up against the cap, they cleared a lot of space with those trades in the 95-96 season when they shipped out Charles Smith and brought in guys like Willie anderson, brad lohaus and the big fat center who used to play for Golden St whos name escapes me right now. It was only then that they cleared any real space, and they spent it on Houston and Childs

If you think the Knicks were good in the 90s because of a good cap situation then you have a re-written and non-factual view of history. They were good because they had a legit franchise player

[Edited by - knickssince88 on 06-29-2007 03:25 AM]

[Edited by - knickssince88 on 06-29-2007 03:26 AM]

[Edited by - knickssince88 on 06-29-2007 03:26 AM]

I know 96 was our sole year of capspace. We got Child's Houston and LJ who all contributed to winning. (Yes, Child's was a bad signing).

I was talking about running the team better as a whole along with the capspace we had in 96.

I am a big proponent of acquiring capspace ASAP along with drafting wisely to give our team a brighter future. I think this method can work to net a franchise player instead of these stupid trades we make to acquire other team's unwanted players.

Kiki was on ESPN, saying having cap space is the single most valuable asset a GM can have.

He said when he had 20 mill under the cap twice, he got ALL KINDS of offers just b/c of the cap space.

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Maybe if Kiki had pulled the trigger on some of those crazy offers he got, he wouldnt be out of a job right now

LOL. That's cold.

Offdameterz,

You honestly think this is a 38 win team? theres a good chance this team wins 38 games LAST year if David Lee and Jamal Crawford dont miss a combined 50 games. Did you see the lineup this team was playing with at the end of the year? No Lee. No Jamal. No Q. Even no Steph.

Before injuries completely wracked this team they were in the midst of a 43 game stretch where they went 23-20, a sample size that is over 1/2 of an entire NBA season where this team was playing at a .535 clip.

Health alone and this team wins 38 games LAST YEAR

With maturity and growth from a lot of young players this team could have been a .500 team if healthy this year WITHOUT Randolph. Why not? when they were healthy and gelling and developed some semblence of identity after a slow start coming off the Brown mess, the team was winning

No Randolph and i think this was a 500 team this year

With Randolph im saying 45 wins is ENTIRELY possible

The team won't win or even contend for a championship as long as it's owned by a corporation that won't allow for time-consuming genuine rebuilding when it can make more immediate money from starphucking.

Bonn - so, if there will never be a "time-consuming genuine rebuild", why worry about it?

Oh, by the way, there is no such thing as a "genuine" rebuild on Seventh Avenue.

Never has been.

Never will be.

You are correct, the Cablevision agenda does not allow for that. Since Cablevision is not about to sell a cash cow, so.... what, me worry?

The objective at 2 Penn Plaza is to upgrade the level of talent through all available incremental steps. Zach is a nice incremental step in a (cough) positive direction. Let's hope he can focus his ability on doing the right things.

Wilson Chandler is listed between 6'8 and 6'9.

I look forward to watching him and the rest of my beloved franchise at the Vegas Summer League, from Cox Pavillion, Monday July 9th at 10:00 PM - Seattle vs. New York on NBATV

But hey, one can always switch teams.

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-01-2007 09:48 AM]