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6/28/2007  3:35 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by purple012870:

For the 100th time, we don't know Balkman could've been had later. What we do know is that he was very productive & looks as promising as one could expect given where he was drafted. Excellent pick.

Sorry, there's two elements to drafting. One is getting maximum value out of your pick. With that one, Isiah failed. As for the other, let's give Balkman another year or two before we proclaim him the next Josh Howard. I like what I've seen so far, but remember what happened to Frye?

so under that standard, the only successful GMs in the draft the last few seasons would have been who in your eyes?
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6/28/2007  3:40 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by purple012870:

For the 100th time, we don't know Balkman could've been had later. What we do know is that he was very productive & looks as promising as one could expect given where he was drafted. Excellent pick.

Sorry, there's two elements to drafting. One is getting maximum value out of your pick. With that one, Isiah failed. As for the other, let's give Balkman another year or two before we proclaim him the next Josh Howard. I like what I've seen so far, but remember what happened to Frye?

so under that standard, the only successful GMs in the draft the last few seasons would have been who in your eyes?

I didn't call Balkman a failed pick, just picked too early. That's why excellent pick is too strong. The pick has so far turned out well, I'm just saying let's not assume he's a stud yet. That's all.

I think about 50% of the GMs have done reasonable or better in the draft, the other half have done below-average or poorly. I actually put Isiah into the first group. It's Isiah's only redeeming quality, quite frankly.

Make sense?
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6/28/2007  3:55 PM
It's not like basketball teams have 7 rounds to pick players. If you like someone, you pick them.
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6/28/2007  3:57 PM
Posted by Solace:
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Compare Camby year two to Camby now. Why is Frye a bust two years into his career, because it'sa good punch line??? SMH

His second year was a bust. Are you saying you think he'll turn it around? Sure, it's possible. He's going to have to change his mentality. This year he played like an utter pansy.
His second year was down from where it should have been and he did play very soft at times, but 9.5 points and 5.5 rebounds is not a bust for a second year player. He had a bad year, but it wasn't like he had an Adonal Foyle 4 point, 4 rebound, fouth year outting.

Frye had a set back, which may prove heisn't as good as people hoped at the end year one, but he is far from a bust.


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6/28/2007  4:04 PM
Posted by jchi18:

It's not like basketball teams have 7 rounds to pick players. If you like someone, you pick them.

any player that doesn't get drafted becomes an unrestricted free agent.
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6/28/2007  4:09 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by purple012870:

For the 100th time, we don't know Balkman could've been had later. What we do know is that he was very productive & looks as promising as one could expect given where he was drafted. Excellent pick.

Sorry, there's two elements to drafting. One is getting maximum value out of your pick. With that one, Isiah failed. As for the other, let's give Balkman another year or two before we proclaim him the next Josh Howard. I like what I've seen so far, but remember what happened to Frye?

so under that standard, the only successful GMs in the draft the last few seasons would have been who in your eyes?

I didn't call Balkman a failed pick, just picked too early. That's why excellent pick is too strong. The pick has so far turned out well, I'm just saying let's not assume he's a stud yet. That's all.

I think about 50% of the GMs have done reasonable or better in the draft, the other half have done below-average or poorly. I actually put Isiah into the first group. It's Isiah's only redeeming quality, quite frankly.

Make sense?

as far as getting a true sleeper in the draft, you're right, Balkman is no Josh Howard just yet or even close to it, but how many Josh Howard's come along in the bottom of the 1st round every year? As far as getting a good talented player w/a late 1st round pick, i think Isiah succeeded w/that Balkman pick... i have very little problem w/the way he's drafted for the Knicks since he's been here, with the exception of taking Channing Frye instead of Gerald Greene.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-28-2007 4:10 PM]
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6/28/2007  4:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

i have very little problem w/the way he's drafted for the Knicks since he's been here, with the exception of taking Channing Frye instead of Gerald Greene.

I thought, and still think, that both the Frye and Nate picks were awful. Balkman, at least, looks like he will be a piece.
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6/28/2007  4:21 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by purple012870:

For the 100th time, we don't know Balkman could've been had later. What we do know is that he was very productive & looks as promising as one could expect given where he was drafted. Excellent pick.

Sorry, there's two elements to drafting. One is getting maximum value out of your pick. With that one, Isiah failed. As for the other, let's give Balkman another year or two before we proclaim him the next Josh Howard. I like what I've seen so far, but remember what happened to Frye?

so under that standard, the only successful GMs in the draft the last few seasons would have been who in your eyes?

I didn't call Balkman a failed pick, just picked too early. That's why excellent pick is too strong. The pick has so far turned out well, I'm just saying let's not assume he's a stud yet. That's all.

I think about 50% of the GMs have done reasonable or better in the draft, the other half have done below-average or poorly. I actually put Isiah into the first group. It's Isiah's only redeeming quality, quite frankly.

Make sense?

as far as getting a true sleeper in the draft, you're right, Balkman is no Josh Howard just yet or even close to it, but how many Josh Howard's come along in the bottom of the 1st round every year? As far as getting a good talented player w/a late 1st round pick, i think Isiah succeeded w/that Balkman pick... i have very little problem w/the way he's drafted for the Knicks since he's been here, with the exception of taking Channing Frye instead of Gerald Greene.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-28-2007 4:10 PM]

Gerald Greene?? WTF has he done?? maybe if you said granger or bynum, but greene?? come on
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6/28/2007  4:36 PM
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by purple012870:

For the 100th time, we don't know Balkman could've been had later. What we do know is that he was very productive & looks as promising as one could expect given where he was drafted. Excellent pick.

Sorry, there's two elements to drafting. One is getting maximum value out of your pick. With that one, Isiah failed. As for the other, let's give Balkman another year or two before we proclaim him the next Josh Howard. I like what I've seen so far, but remember what happened to Frye?

so under that standard, the only successful GMs in the draft the last few seasons would have been who in your eyes?

I didn't call Balkman a failed pick, just picked too early. That's why excellent pick is too strong. The pick has so far turned out well, I'm just saying let's not assume he's a stud yet. That's all.

I think about 50% of the GMs have done reasonable or better in the draft, the other half have done below-average or poorly. I actually put Isiah into the first group. It's Isiah's only redeeming quality, quite frankly.

Make sense?

as far as getting a true sleeper in the draft, you're right, Balkman is no Josh Howard just yet or even close to it, but how many Josh Howard's come along in the bottom of the 1st round every year? As far as getting a good talented player w/a late 1st round pick, i think Isiah succeeded w/that Balkman pick... i have very little problem w/the way he's drafted for the Knicks since he's been here, with the exception of taking Channing Frye instead of Gerald Greene.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-28-2007 4:10 PM]

Gerald Greene?? WTF has he done?? maybe if you said granger or bynum, but greene?? come on

i said it before that draft & i am holding to it... in a few years, i think Greene will be the best player to come out of that draft... Granger will never be a star player in this league... he's a solid starting calibre player who will be a nice supplementary piece to a winning team... Greene has the talent & potential to be a star calibre player... as for Bynum, who knows? he could be great, or he could be a dud... seems like Bynum has lost value in the eyes of several GM's of late, as well as his own teammate Kobe for that matter.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-28-2007 4:37 PM]
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6/28/2007  4:52 PM
Greene is so talented that we normal human beings cannot witness it. His game can only be appreciated by those who watch very carefully and partake in special herbs that give the clairvoyance to actually see his true talents unfold every time he takes the court. I am with you TMS.

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6/28/2007  4:54 PM
It's spelled Green. EVERYONE is spelling his name wrong.

Green, like Bynum, will need a few more years before we can get a real idea where they are, but I think Green has made some good progress.
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6/28/2007  4:57 PM
I still can't believe we passed on Gerald Greane.
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6/28/2007  4:59 PM
metra Corrections

A. New York hasn't drafted well in 30 years

B. The roster was f'd up when Isiah took the job

C. David Lee is not an athletic freak, unless you consider his jumping ability in high school as the criteria.

Bonus Answer to: "how many of these guys are actually helping us win?"

A. Seven
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6/28/2007  5:04 PM
Posted by Solace:

It's spelled Green. EVERYONE is spelling his name wrong.

Green, like Bynum, will need a few more years before we can get a real idea where they are, but I think Green has made some good progress.

We are not talking about Green. We are talking about Greene. You need to get some of that special herb too.
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6/28/2007  5:14 PM
Look if you guys can't spell Jerry Greem right, I'm going to get pissed that you keep spelling Jerome Greeny wrong. God damn it!!!
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6/28/2007  5:14 PM
Green is a great athlete with a very good shot. If he can learn to play the game, he could be special. What I hear from Boston fans is the he's not an especially quick learner, but he does work very hard. So, we'll see. He's already pretty good and should continue to improve, but how much is the question.
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6/28/2007  7:11 PM
Posted by Solace:

I think the ultimate would be is if Isiah manages to trade up for a higher pick, only to draft another second rounder with his first round pick.

If that happens, I get dibs on having called it.

Something like this: There's been a trade. The Knicks have traded David Lee for the 9th overall pick. Knicks fans gasping, but hopeful.

The Knicks are on the board...

And with the 9th overall pick, the Knicks select one of: Avis Wyatt, Sean Williams, Wilson Chandler.

"WTF!???!?!?! GO TO HELL ISIAH!!!!"

[Edited by - Solace on Jun 28 2007 2:19 PM]

[Edited by - Solace on Jun 28 2007 2:20 PM]

Oh yeah, nice! Give the bulls Lee also. Good one.
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6/28/2007  7:15 PM
Does Isiah really draft well? Or does it just seem like that because

Kind of hard to say. He doesn't get too many good positions. Most times, seems he has to draft high. This is another big argument I have, one that he's dug his own hole in, but I won't go there right now.
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6/28/2007  7:17 PM
Nay Nate (little Man) is a freak show.

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6/28/2007  7:23 PM
I just think Al Thorton from FLA ST is gonna be really something SPECIAL
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