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islesfan
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6/28/2007  8:48 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:

The Suns have to do this. They have the pieces to go for a championship in the next 3 years and that's what they're going to try to do. Amare is younger but KG is still better and gives them the best chance to get past the Spurs. Plus with Amare's injury history, they aren't willing to bet on him being the franchise player to build around when Nash is gone.
Very well put. As long as they stayed healthy, I'd pick them to win the championship with KG. KG really deserves this opportunity after all the torture he's gone through in Minnesota.

I'd rather him go to the Suns too than watch his talent rot in Minnesota. Basketball fans deserve a chance to see him play on a contending team. Hopefully they pull it off today.
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6/28/2007  9:50 AM
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6/28/2007  9:58 AM
it just goes to show you how much of an influence ownership is when it comes to being a gm.

pheonix is on the doorstep of a title...yet trying to trim down payroll.
atlanta has a chance to acquire a 24 year old stud, but doesn't want to add the payroll.
guys like paxson, colangelo, buford - top flight gm's are severely handcuffed in talent acquisitions b/c they must avoid the luxury tax at all measures.

we have such a HUGE advantage over 99% of the teams in the league.
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6/28/2007  10:06 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

it just goes to show you how much of an influence ownership is when it comes to being a gm.

pheonix is on the doorstep of a title...yet trying to trim down payroll.
atlanta has a chance to acquire a 24 year old stud, but doesn't want to add the payroll.
guys like paxson, colangelo, buford - top flight gm's are severely handcuffed in talent acquisitions b/c they must avoid the luxury tax at all measures.

we have such a HUGE advantage over 99% of the teams in the league.

Just think, if it weren't for that HUGE advantage, the Knicks may not have Jerome James, Jared Jeffries or Steve Francis.
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6/28/2007  12:30 PM
Here are the pertinent questions: Does Atlanta want to take on Stoudemire's contract? Both GM Billy Knight and co-owner Michael Gearon recently told me that they will spend whatever it takes for "the right guy.'' One would think that Stoudemire is that guy -- a 24-year-old with MVP upside. But rival teams doubt whether the Hawks are interested in adding to their payroll, given the ongoing legal fight among their owners. SI.com
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6/28/2007  1:15 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

it just goes to show you how much of an influence ownership is when it comes to being a gm.

pheonix is on the doorstep of a title...yet trying to trim down payroll.
atlanta has a chance to acquire a 24 year old stud, but doesn't want to add the payroll.
guys like paxson, colangelo, buford - top flight gm's are severely handcuffed in talent acquisitions b/c they must avoid the luxury tax at all measures.

we have such a HUGE advantage over 99% of the teams in the league.

Just think, if it weren't for that HUGE advantage, the Knicks may not have Jerome James, Jared Jeffries or Steve Francis.

Agreed, I think their monetary advantage has given them misplaced security and has worked against them. The Knicks m.o has seemingly been to spend away their mistakes...Their free agent signings would have, perhaps, been further scrutinized had money been an issue. Its like an over privileged kid that ends up wasting money more than anything else.
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6/28/2007  1:58 PM
Posted by NYK3:

I'd be reluctant if I was the Suns, Amare is 7-8 years younger than KG

i agree...it would be very stupid for phoenix... i'll take amare over KG everyday.
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6/28/2007  2:01 PM
Yes, no reason to make this trade. To get KG, the only one of the big three you can trade in return is Marion. They're not getting anyone in return who does what Amare does.
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6/28/2007  2:49 PM
You don't think KG is a lot better than Amare? KG gives you better ball-handling, more reliable low post moves (beyond dunking), and about 3 more rebounds and 3 more assists. If you're thinking long-term, then as might as well trade both Marion and Nash for as many young prospects and picks as you can get. If you want to win while Nash is in his prime, you have to go with the best front court you can (which would include KG over Amare).
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6/28/2007  2:54 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You don't think KG is a lot better than Amare? KG gives you better ball-handling, more reliable low post moves (beyond dunking), and about 3 more rebounds and 3 more assists. If you're thinking long-term, then as might as well trade both Marion and Nash for as many young prospects and picks as you can get. If you want to win while Nash is in his prime, you have to go with the best front court you can (which would include KG over Amare).

I think it's pretty close right now. KG isn't as good of an inside scorer. Amare is absolutely dominant in the low post. KG plays a different style and is very successful in his own right. But, IMHO, he's not the same player he was two years ago. I don't think he's one of the top 5 players in the league anymore. I'm all for upgrading short term to try to get a few championships while your star is in his prime, but I'm not convinced it's much of an upgrade and I think it leaves them with a different hole.

I guess what I'm saying is KG isn't a big enough upgrade over Amare to give up Amare, due to the age difference. When we were comparing Marion to some of the other players mentioned, I thought Marion had too big an edge to do that move.

I'm not sure they need to trade. They would've won the last series, if not for a headbutt and a ridiculous decision by the Commish. Although I was assured by Allanfan that his Suns-fan friend "admitted" the Suns had no chance in that series, I think it was obvious to most of us watching that the Suns had the advantage and likely would've taken that series in 7.

[Edited by - Solace on Jun 28 2007 2:56 PM]
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6/28/2007  3:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

it just goes to show you how much of an influence ownership is when it comes to being a gm.

pheonix is on the doorstep of a title...yet trying to trim down payroll.
atlanta has a chance to acquire a 24 year old stud, but doesn't want to add the payroll.
guys like paxson, colangelo, buford - top flight gm's are severely handcuffed in talent acquisitions b/c they must avoid the luxury tax at all measures.

we have such a HUGE advantage over 99% of the teams in the league.

Great point. I know we have discussed this before and its a good reminder.

Funny, today we have all these superstars we salavate over and they all want out of losing situations. Could it be that superstars drain too many resouces to have a winning balanced attack?

Yet we go the other way and have many overpriced payers with not real starphuching draw power.

Amazing.

Even the yankees seemed to starphuched themselves this time into a real mess. Maybe the culture of a team that makes double has a bad effect on creating a winning atmosphere.

Perhaps Isiah trades young hungrey guys for more established players with set contracts and further the content atmosphere. After all, as Isiah tells marbury, your making 20 mil your a successful person!

Maybe we need more hungrey guys on our team? Yeah, I think we do!

Adding more Kobes and Pierces which are whining Bitches does not help the overall winning chemistry.

Spurs winning atmosphere atracts players to join them. Might they add Grant Hill and delegate Ginobli and Fineley to the bench? ANd they go willing not whining about attidude and respect!

I really don't care if we don't do a think this off season but let our young guys develope and we shed payroll the next few years.

I don't need JO, B!itch Pierce, B!tch Kobe and not Rashard (Give away too much in sign and trade Im sure). I'd like to see some tweeks here and their, but don't need no starphuching to excite us.

I want to see some smart Sh!t happen here, not big names!
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