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Bonn1997
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6/22/2007  8:17 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by Michael6835:

I figured this would happen. KG can pretty much nix any deal he wants according to this opt out clause. This could actually work against him.

Check out this scenario:

What if every team Minnesota wants to trade for and get a good deal in return , KG decides to come out and say he's not staying there long term and will opt-out. This can create a situation for Minnesota where, the value will actually go down. I don't think the Suns are going to part with Amare for KG. I understand the whole experience thing, but Amare is nasty and comes at a high price considering KG's age. The suns aren't that far away, some people would say they could of won the series against SA. So why kill the chemistry by bringing in KG. KG doesn't play the up and down style that Amare does,which is why he excels in that system.

The point I am trying to make before bird walking is that KG can actually devalue himself where as no one will give up anything worth while or close to equal value for him, knowing he is going to just opt-out. So the choices for the wolves would be to take what you can get from a team willing to take on the 1yr rental or let him walk. For KG, man 23 mil is a very difficult thing to just leave on the table. If he opts out, who has the money to sign him ? Is he going to sign with the Suns for the MLE..

Very interesting.
if I were Ainge, I'd call his bluff and go all in - put the chips in the middle and try to win the title with KG and Pierce in Boston for one year, but try to keep pick #5 if possible and maybe owe a future pick based on # of wins that season combined with # of wins 3 seasons from then, etc. (The knicks did a win-based pick thing with Houston a few years back).

Boston gets a one year rental of KG, kind of like when Miami sold their soul for the one year championship. During that year, they can try to work on getting KG to sign an extension.

I don't think I could give up Al Jefferson just for one year of KG.
if you are trying to win the title, and trying to win now, you put the chips in and go for it. see pat riley. you win. win now. and make that move. who is to say jefferson wont have some severe injury next year? anything can happen, so in the NBA, you go for now. how many teams are able to build for the future and keep their 10 year plans alive and make it happen? in 5 years when Lebron is older, and Oden and Durant start coming on strong, the celts with Al Jefferson are going to be doing what?

I'm talking now with KG, make a run for it next year and see what goes.

Especially since they did not win the Oden Durant Sweeps.
KG's older and had some minor knee problems already. Anything's possible, but he's probably more likely than Jefferson to get a significant injury. Pierce plus KG might be good enough to get out the east, only to get embarrassed in the finals like the Cavs. Is that one season really worth giving up a 2-way stud big man who could play twelve more seasons? I'd build around Al Jefferson and get the best combo of young players and draft picks I could get for Paul Pierce.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 22-06-2007 08:18 AM]
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6/22/2007  9:54 AM
They're not getting KG, but it's not the end of the world.

I don't see why a team that has Jefferson, Pierce, and Szczerbiak as it's core 3 (surrounded by a Rondo/West PG tandem and Green as a 6th man) needs to make a drastic trade. They're young, and they *should* improve if either Pierce or Wally can play 70+ games. If they both play 70+ games, they should contend for a playoff spot.

They're very deficient in the big man department outside of Jefferson, mostly due to injury. Perkins is *ok*... and has room for improvement. Ratliff & Olowokandi, if healthy, would be very serviceable, but those two guys might be near the end of the line.
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6/22/2007  9:55 AM
BOS was the worst team in the East last year & some of you are wondering why KG doesn't want to play there.
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6/22/2007  10:20 AM
Posted by TMS:

BOS was the worst team in the East last year & some of you are wondering why KG doesn't want to play there.

Also b/c Wally's there and they didn't get along (IIRC) and plus, well, it's Boston.
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6/22/2007  10:24 AM
Posted by TMS:

BOS was the worst team in the East last year & some of you are wondering why KG doesn't want to play there.

Has nothing to do with that. It goes beyond basketball. KG, Bryant and Marion have no problem going to NY who are just as bad.
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6/22/2007  10:30 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:

BOS was the worst team in the East last year & some of you are wondering why KG doesn't want to play there.

Has nothing to do with that. It goes beyond basketball. KG, Bryant and Marion have no problem going to NY who are just as bad.

if it's all about championships you'd figure these guys would want to go to the team that gives them the best chance of winning one... funny that none of them want to go to Boston when they have such a promising future in the eyes of some of the posters on this forum.
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6/22/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:

BOS was the worst team in the East last year & some of you are wondering why KG doesn't want to play there.

Has nothing to do with that. It goes beyond basketball. KG, Bryant and Marion have no problem going to NY who are just as bad.

if it's all about championships you'd figure these guys would want to go to the team that gives them the best chance of winning one... funny that none of them want to go to Boston when they have such a promising future in the eyes of some of the posters on this forum.

You have to contend most of the time before you win it all. Many feel the Celts with or without K.G. or any other All-Star caliber player added to the roster will contend in the very very very very near future.
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6/22/2007  11:50 AM
I don't blame KG. He been in Minn. all his life so he wants to go to a more warmer climate city. And also considering that the Timberwolves are not going anywhere he wants to win a ring, everybody does.
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6/22/2007  11:54 AM
Posted by mattshaw78:

I don't blame KG. He been in Minn. all his life so he wants to go to a more warmer climate city. And also considering that the Timberwolves are not going anywhere he wants to win a ring, everybody does.

LOL. I don't think weather has much to do with it either.
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6/22/2007  11:56 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by mattshaw78:

I don't blame KG. He been in Minn. all his life so he wants to go to a more warmer climate city. And also considering that the Timberwolves are not going anywhere he wants to win a ring, everybody does.

LOL. I don't think weather has much to do with it either.


It does according to what has been reported. In terms of % it might not be high but it's nevertheless a factor.
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6/22/2007  12:03 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by mattshaw78:

I don't blame KG. He been in Minn. all his life so he wants to go to a more warmer climate city. And also considering that the Timberwolves are not going anywhere he wants to win a ring, everybody does.

LOL. I don't think weather has much to do with it either.


It does according to what has been reported. In terms of % it might not be high but it's nevertheless a factor.

I know what his agent is saying which is politically correct which has been used in the past to nix many deals that Boston has had in the place for players and prospective free agents.
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6/22/2007  12:07 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by mattshaw78:

I don't blame KG. He been in Minn. all his life so he wants to go to a more warmer climate city. And also considering that the Timberwolves are not going anywhere he wants to win a ring, everybody does.

LOL. I don't think weather has much to do with it either.


It does according to what has been reported. In terms of % it might not be high but it's nevertheless a factor.

I know what his agent is saying which is politically correct which has been used in the past to nix many deals that Boston has had in the place for players and prospective free agents.

Well that's true but in K.G.'s case I think it is a real factor. He's mentioned in the past 2 yrs another team he could see himself playing for is L.A. His summer home in the off-season is in L.A. L.A. is a warm climate.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-22-2007 11:23 AM]
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6/22/2007  12:13 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by mattshaw78:

I don't blame KG. He been in Minn. all his life so he wants to go to a more warmer climate city. And also considering that the Timberwolves are not going anywhere he wants to win a ring, everybody does.

LOL. I don't think weather has much to do with it either.


It does according to what has been reported. In terms of % it might not be high but it's nevertheless a factor.

I know what his agent is saying which is politically correct which has been used in the past to nix many deals that Boston has had in the place for players and prospective free agents.

Well that's true but in K.G.'s case I think it is a real factor. He's mentioned in the past 2 yrs another team he could see himself playing in L.A. His summer home in the off-season is in L.A. L.A. is a warm climate.

I agree that playing in a warm climate area is part of his factor of not wanting to play in Boston but not a biggest one.
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6/22/2007  12:23 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by mattshaw78:

I don't blame KG. He been in Minn. all his life so he wants to go to a more warmer climate city. And also considering that the Timberwolves are not going anywhere he wants to win a ring, everybody does.

LOL. I don't think weather has much to do with it either.


It does according to what has been reported. In terms of % it might not be high but it's nevertheless a factor.

I know what his agent is saying which is politically correct which has been used in the past to nix many deals that Boston has had in the place for players and prospective free agents.

Well that's true but in K.G.'s case I think it is a real factor. He's mentioned in the past 2 yrs another team he could see himself playing in L.A. His summer home in the off-season is in L.A. L.A. is a warm climate.

I agree that playing in a warm climate area is part of his factor of not wanting to play in Boston but not a biggest one.

I said the same thing a couple post ago. I said the % may not be high but nevertheless a factor.
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6/22/2007  7:40 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by Michael6835:

I figured this would happen. KG can pretty much nix any deal he wants according to this opt out clause. This could actually work against him.

Check out this scenario:

What if every team Minnesota wants to trade for and get a good deal in return , KG decides to come out and say he's not staying there long term and will opt-out. This can create a situation for Minnesota where, the value will actually go down. I don't think the Suns are going to part with Amare for KG. I understand the whole experience thing, but Amare is nasty and comes at a high price considering KG's age. The suns aren't that far away, some people would say they could of won the series against SA. So why kill the chemistry by bringing in KG. KG doesn't play the up and down style that Amare does,which is why he excels in that system.

The point I am trying to make before bird walking is that KG can actually devalue himself where as no one will give up anything worth while or close to equal value for him, knowing he is going to just opt-out. So the choices for the wolves would be to take what you can get from a team willing to take on the 1yr rental or let him walk. For KG, man 23 mil is a very difficult thing to just leave on the table. If he opts out, who has the money to sign him ? Is he going to sign with the Suns for the MLE..

Very interesting.
if I were Ainge, I'd call his bluff and go all in - put the chips in the middle and try to win the title with KG and Pierce in Boston for one year, but try to keep pick #5 if possible and maybe owe a future pick based on # of wins that season combined with # of wins 3 seasons from then, etc. (The knicks did a win-based pick thing with Houston a few years back).

Boston gets a one year rental of KG, kind of like when Miami sold their soul for the one year championship. During that year, they can try to work on getting KG to sign an extension.


Minnesota still has to completely agree to a deal and unfortunately in this players dominated league Minnesota will oblige to K.G.'s request to be traded somewhere else. They're going to show him gratitude for being the face of that franchise and giving it his all. Although I don't feel K.G. is going anywhere. I think Danny Ainge spilled the beans to soon and at this point there will be some minor damage control.


Ric Bucher on ESPN said K.G. mentioned Phx more so as a knee jerk reaction to hearing his name surfaced in trade talks. Minnesota mgmt and K.G. will try to repair relationship and move forward from there.

No surprise here once again!
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6/22/2007  7:43 PM
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