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kam77
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What kind of Isiah fan are you? Are you down with whatever happens? If he drafts another reach, if he leads the Knicks to a non-winning season... or are those crucial factors that will sway your opinion this year? ... or are you one of those who thinks he has already done enough damage and should have been gone already?
R U kidding? Isiah should be gone already
I'm pro-zeke, but could turn against him this year
i'm pro-zeke, and think i'll be okay with whatever happens
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Vmart
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6/21/2007  2:19 PM
One thing about Isiah is that he is always trying to make the Knicks better. Unfortunately sometimes it doesn't work out for him. Just like Hiring Larry Brown. No one can deny that he has created a better team than what Layden had left the Knicks. They are more talented and more athletic.
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arkrud
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6/21/2007  2:50 PM
Posted by Vmart:

One thing about Isiah is that he is always trying to make the Knicks better. Unfortunately sometimes it doesn't work out for him. Just like Hiring Larry Brown. No one can deny that he has created a better team than what Layden had left the Knicks. They are more talented and more athletic.

Trying to make Knicks better and making them better are two different things.
We all can try to jump over our heads but not too many will succed.
If person is good is doing something - do it, but if not - why to take somebody else place?




"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
kam77
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6/21/2007  3:55 PM
20% hardcore Isiah supporters. Interesting.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
kam77
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6/21/2007  3:56 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by islesfan:

I kinda like him.



Guy 1: Did you see what islesfan just said, about Isiah Thomas?

Guy 2: OMG!! Thats awesome.

It'more like:
"When we blaw him up his balls falls right in my hands"
"Ha-Ha-Ha"


Hilarious-ity.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
nixluva
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6/21/2007  8:06 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Knicks need to hire a capologist like NFL teams have.

WHY? The work is already done. All the Knicks have to do is stand pat the next two years if all they want to do is get under the cap. Then they could look to resign only Lee and let Frye and or Nate go if they feel they need more cap space to sign a big FA. As much as Isiah is bashed, things aren't that bad in terms of our future cap situation.
Vmart
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6/21/2007  8:13 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by Vmart:

One thing about Isiah is that he is always trying to make the Knicks better. Unfortunately sometimes it doesn't work out for him. Just like Hiring Larry Brown. No one can deny that he has created a better team than what Layden had left the Knicks. They are more talented and more athletic.

Trying to make Knicks better and making them better are two different things.
We all can try to jump over our heads but not too many will succed.
If person is good is doing something - do it, but if not - why to take somebody else place?


Yes the KNicks aren't much better than Layden left them but Layden left the Knicks on a down turn. Isiah has the Knicks on the way up. A good youth movement with young talent that will learn how to win.

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6/21/2007  9:53 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by VDesai:

Knicks need to hire a capologist like NFL teams have.

WHY? The work is already done. All the Knicks have to do is stand pat the next two years if all they want to do is get under the cap. Then they could look to resign only Lee and let Frye and or Nate go if they feel they need more cap space to sign a big FA. As much as Isiah is bashed, things aren't that bad in terms of our future cap situation.


I dont' even think Isiah was bashed a lot in this post. I think once again you just overreact to every negative thing that is said. People made honest assessments. But the truth is to date no matter how much "potential" we have we still lose more games than Layden's teams did. So until we see results Isiah will not be loved. Only the people that settle love those that take their teams to mediocre results.

The jury is out. If the team improves from here on out and gets to a level to compete for a title Isiah will get credit. If the team wallows in mediocrity like it has for 7 straight years someone has to be held accountable. excuses can only take you so far.
I just hope that people will like me
nixluva
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6/21/2007  11:21 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by VDesai:

Knicks need to hire a capologist like NFL teams have.

WHY? The work is already done. All the Knicks have to do is stand pat the next two years if all they want to do is get under the cap. Then they could look to resign only Lee and let Frye and or Nate go if they feel they need more cap space to sign a big FA. As much as Isiah is bashed, things aren't that bad in terms of our future cap situation.


I dont' even think Isiah was bashed a lot in this post. I think once again you just overreact to every negative thing that is said. People made honest assessments. But the truth is to date no matter how much "potential" we have we still lose more games than Layden's teams did. So until we see results Isiah will not be loved. Only the people that settle love those that take their teams to mediocre results.

The jury is out. If the team improves from here on out and gets to a level to compete for a title Isiah will get credit. If the team wallows in mediocrity like it has for 7 straight years someone has to be held accountable. excuses can only take you so far.

Bip get off my freakin back!!! Did I SAY THIS POSTER BASHED ISIAH? TRY FREAKIN READING WHAT I WROTE! I said "As much as Isiah is bashed". That's not a direct slight to VDesai and what he wrote, it was a "generalization". How could I overreact when I made a passing comment about Isiah having been bashed a lot for his moves, WHICH IS TRUE!!! There was nothing harshly aimed at VDesai in my post.
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6/21/2007  11:26 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by VDesai:

Knicks need to hire a capologist like NFL teams have.

WHY? The work is already done. All the Knicks have to do is stand pat the next two years if all they want to do is get under the cap. Then they could look to resign only Lee and let Frye and or Nate go if they feel they need more cap space to sign a big FA. As much as Isiah is bashed, things aren't that bad in terms of our future cap situation.


I dont' even think Isiah was bashed a lot in this post. I think once again you just overreact to every negative thing that is said. People made honest assessments. But the truth is to date no matter how much "potential" we have we still lose more games than Layden's teams did. So until we see results Isiah will not be loved. Only the people that settle love those that take their teams to mediocre results.

The jury is out. If the team improves from here on out and gets to a level to compete for a title Isiah will get credit. If the team wallows in mediocrity like it has for 7 straight years someone has to be held accountable. excuses can only take you so far.

Bip get off my freakin back!!! Did I SAY THIS POSTER BASHED ISIAH? TRY FREAKIN READING WHAT I WROTE! I said "As much as Isiah is bashed". That's not a direct slight to VDesai and what he wrote, it was a "generalization". How could I overreact when I made a passing comment about Isiah having been bashed a lot for his moves, WHICH IS TRUE!!! There was nothing harshly aimed at VDesai in my post.
I'd agree with you. You never overreact.
playa2
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6/22/2007  7:30 AM
Isiah Lost me at the MARBURY signing I wanted rebuilt roster and a chance at chip I don't want to be just entertained. so what he'was better than ward and Eisley
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
Bippity10
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6/25/2007  8:23 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by VDesai:

Knicks need to hire a capologist like NFL teams have.

WHY? The work is already done. All the Knicks have to do is stand pat the next two years if all they want to do is get under the cap. Then they could look to resign only Lee and let Frye and or Nate go if they feel they need more cap space to sign a big FA. As much as Isiah is bashed, things aren't that bad in terms of our future cap situation.


I dont' even think Isiah was bashed a lot in this post. I think once again you just overreact to every negative thing that is said. People made honest assessments. But the truth is to date no matter how much "potential" we have we still lose more games than Layden's teams did. So until we see results Isiah will not be loved. Only the people that settle love those that take their teams to mediocre results.

The jury is out. If the team improves from here on out and gets to a level to compete for a title Isiah will get credit. If the team wallows in mediocrity like it has for 7 straight years someone has to be held accountable. excuses can only take you so far.

Bip get off my freakin back!!! Did I SAY THIS POSTER BASHED ISIAH? TRY FREAKIN READING WHAT I WROTE! I said "As much as Isiah is bashed". That's not a direct slight to VDesai and what he wrote, it was a "generalization". How could I overreact when I made a passing comment about Isiah having been bashed a lot for his moves, WHICH IS TRUE!!! There was nothing harshly aimed at VDesai in my post.
I'd agree with you. You never overreact.

I just hope that people will like me
arkrud
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6/25/2007  9:49 AM
Posted by playa2:

Isiah Lost me at the MARBURY signing I wanted rebuilt roster and a chance at chip I don't want to be just entertained. so what he'was better than ward and Eisley

I am judging people for the result of their job not the potential.
So far Ward achieved in his NBA career much more than Marbs and Laiden get better results that Isiah.
So to me both Isiah and Steph are losers and will be losers until they will prove otherwise.


[Edited by - arkrud on 06-25-2007 11:40 AM]
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6/25/2007  11:11 AM

Curry and Marbury are his biggest moves and I'm not a fan of either. Neither has ever shown they can be part of a winning team. Many believe they have just not been in the right situation. There is some truth to that but for some individuals the number of "Right Situations" is very limited.


He's drafted ok.

Overall I think he takes a lot of long shot gambles that don't have much chance of success. He takes players that have talent but other teams have given up on. I think Marbury, Curry, James, Vin Baker and others fit into that category. They have talent, some of them exceptional talent, but they haven't used it well and it's a low percentage play to assume they'll turn it around. I don't hate him and he does some things right but I find it hard to believe he's the best we can do at GM.
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