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Panos
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6/20/2007  2:53 PM
Posted by MS:

What is so delusional if you play balkman the same number of minutes i think your looking at

10pts 8rbs 2ass 2stl 2blks

AK is a starter in this league. Balk is a backup. Until Balk actually plays those mins you can't extrapolate what he is going to do. Look what happened with Frye. Your weaknesses get exposed and your opponents key in on them.
Also, this was an off year for AK. If he is healthy, he is a 16ppg player, +3 blocks.
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MS
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6/20/2007  3:13 PM
The comparison between balkman and frye isn't really warranted. Balkman gets his points because he is a hustler is more athletic than just about everyone, is long and fast. He has overall skills.

Frye really doesn't have any skills outside of his shooting. He is slow, has bad hands, can't really jump and doesn't know how to use his body.

Balkman was putting up those numbers when he got the minutes, isiah just really misused him to justify his jefferies mistake
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6/20/2007  3:35 PM
Posted by Panos:
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Francis and Balkman maybe gets them thinking...

I would want to wait and see how Balkman looks this Fall. If he comes back with a jumpshot, he will be a middle class man's Kirilenko, only he will cost us $1 mill per season for 3 more years as opposed to Kirilenko's four more years at $15 mill per season.


Ha ha here we go again with the delusions.

Balkman already rebounds and steals at a rate comparable to Kirilenko, and with a few more years of experience, he should be an above average defender. Additionally, like Kirilenko, Balkman can pass and has ballhandling ability. Really the only thing he is lacking is a jumpshot and a goto moves. Kririlenko himself is only an average scorer. It is his all-around game that makes him special. I am not suggesting that Balkman is as good as Kirilenko, but he has shown that he can do many of the same things Kirilenko does on the court, especially on the defensive end. To the extent Kirilenko would cost us 15 times the amount of money as Balkman, I would want to evaluate Balkman's improvement before trading him away for Kirilenko. If he can make a David Lee type one year improvement, IMO we would be better off keeping Balkman and passing on Kirilenko and his huge salary.
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6/20/2007  4:59 PM
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Frye really doesn't have any skills outside of his shooting. He is slow, has bad hands, can't really jump and doesn't know how to use his body.



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6/20/2007  5:17 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by MS:

What is so delusional if you play balkman the same number of minutes i think your looking at

10pts 8rbs 2ass 2stl 2blks

AK is a starter in this league. Balk is a backup. Until Balk actually plays those mins you can't extrapolate what he is going to do. Look what happened with Frye. Your weaknesses get exposed and your opponents key in on them.
Also, this was an off year for AK. If he is healthy, he is a 16ppg player, +3 blocks.

Hmmm... do you mean physically or mentally healthy. He got some issues.
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Panos
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6/20/2007  5:41 PM
Posted by Ira:
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Frye really doesn't have any skills outside of his shooting. He is slow, has bad hands, can't really jump and doesn't know how to use his body.

I wish you weren't right, but you are.

Funny how no one was saying this after last season.
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6/21/2007  10:03 AM
I think a lot of people had their questions if you remember he got worse towards the end of the season and wasn't as effective. Hopefully everyone comes back and looks a little better this year and we can make some moves
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6/21/2007  10:41 AM
I still believe that Frye has the talent to play better than he did last year. It was all in his head. It wasn't the defenses catching up with him. It was just him and to some extent Isiah not really giving him a solid role. He's not David Lee or Balkman, who can just will their way into games with pure hustle and instinct. Frye is more robotic, but he can play. There was one game where he was flying all over the place, shooting, running the floor and finishing on the break. He looked great! I said to myself, anyone who can run the floor, catch the ball and throw it down like that has the talent he just has to find himself.

It's nothing that a bit of training on up faking and then putting the ball on the floor wouldn't cure. He has the weapon as far as a jumper, but he hasn't fully developed his game yet. Being able to drive a bit would make a huge difference. He's also a better help defender than he get's credit for. He's not a great natural shotblocker, but he can block shots. He just needs to keep his defensive head and react sooner. If I was a Knick Coach, i'd be in his head constantly to think the game in a more active way. Simple stuff like seeing his man and the ball, so that he can more quickly slide over to shut down penetrators. Using his eyes and natural shooting motion to fool defenders and then go around them. Not hesistating when he's got the shot. Be confident and just shooting it cuz he's one of our best shooters.
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6/21/2007  11:27 AM
Frye's problem is more mental than physical in my view. He has the talent to be a solid player right now. But he just lacks that confidence that most good players have. He can shoot better than 90% of the big men in the league and 89% of the guards yet he still loses confidence in his jumpshot. This is a tough hurdle to crack. Upside for me is that if he ever crosses the line and becomes a confident player he can be solid, give you good points and open up the middle. As far as the rebounding and D is concerned, he has never shown a knack for this in the past(despite having the physical tools to be good at it) so I'm not really expecting too much in the future. I think with age he will become more confident and be a solid role player for any team. He is what he is.

As far as all the reports of guys working on their games, when will we learn. Players and agents will always paint to the media the picture of them working hard and being in the best shape of their lives. "unnamed sources" will always tell us this and tell us that. Eventually you will learn that these reports are pointless, and you will just wait for the season to start. Watch baseball, go have a barbecue, drink some beers, take care of your kids. These reports are pointless.
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6/21/2007  11:35 AM
Great points above. Fyre has the tools to be a solid starter IMO, he just lacks the confidence and know-how right now. For some reason, he seems to rush his jumper even though he is 6'11" and usually always has space to get it off. My hope is that he gets it together this summer. If he comes back strong this year, we should have a good trading asset to maybe make a run at Kobe or whatever other star player will inevitably become available near the trade deadline.
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6/21/2007  11:52 AM
We have far too many guys on this roster who we are waiting to "find themselves" and to "get their minds right". So while we are watching them work on their games we are also hoping that they get a motor, or some intensity or some competitiveness or some energy or some confidence. I hope Isiah continues to target guys like Lee and Balkman and Collins who's minds are already right, and all we have to do is work on their games. Success comes quicker that way. It's hard enough winning a title when this is your stars main flaw, but when your roster is built around guys "who have to find themselves" it just makes the task so much harder. It's not a transition that actually takes place a lot. As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet that 99% of guys that come in with mental issues, or poor energy levels, retire with mental issues and poor energy levels.

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6/21/2007  2:39 PM
Channing Frye could benefit from some patience.

He has a strong work ethic and is one of the more intelligent players on the roster. His outside shot is a thing a beauty. He's an attractive 6'11 and still has the room for a few pounds of muscle. Put him on a red meat diet and have him listen to The Diabolical Biz Markie for the entire month of August.

Find Frye a wild woman to keep him loose and playing intuitively. He'll be okay.


Then again, if Rashard Lewis is available all bets are off
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Knicks actually working on their games this offseason?

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