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TrueBlue
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6/20/2007  1:30 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

Y'all know Jamal Crawford and Rashard Lewis are buddy-buddy.

Jamal definitely talked about coming to NY with Eddy Curry (as we all know they are best friends).

Maybe Rashard comes to NY if Jamal pulls the same thing...maybe Rashard comes to NY under the pretense of him playing with Jamal, similar to Eddy. Obviously, the Benjamins will play a role, similar to Eddy but Jamal came to NY for the same reason too.

Just saying...Isiah seemingly brings Crawford's boys to this town (Eddy, Nate...RASHARD LEWIS?)

You do know Rashard is really really really tight with Gerald Green from the Celtics and actually works out with him in the offseason? Boy do you get nervous when it seems like Crawford could part of a somewhat realistic trade package. Are you dating him?
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6/20/2007  1:40 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
If what Nixluva has said about Isiah and Dolan actually now caring about getting under or even near the salary cap, there's no way they'll give a long-term big contract to a one dimensional player like Rashard.

Actually, if we include Jamal Crawford or Quentin Richardson in the deal for Lewis we actually only end up adding about 5million to the cap for the year we are targeting cap flexibility as both would be making over 9 mill that year. Certainly worth it for a player of Lewis' calibre. In fact, we include Jared Jeffries and we could save money on the deal. Trading one of our sophomores saves money as well, as they would be owed qualifying offers that year.

I don't know how likely any of that is, but it’s just as likely as acquiring Lewis in the first place. Save Malik Rose's $7.5 million, we don't have any expiring deals to give, so you aren't purely adding Lewis' contract to our cap number.
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6/20/2007  2:57 PM
I'm back and forth on Rashard. I think he'd help us cause he stretches the court, but at the same time I'd hate to use most of our pieces to get him b/c I don't think he's so good that he changes things for us and makes us a playoff team. A guy like him you'd almost rather take your lumps for 2-3 years and accumulate talent rather than acquire him and stay on the borderline of being a postseason team.

If you can get a guy like Rashard and still ahve the capacity to add another piece that fills a need (like defense), than you definitely do it.

Crawford+Frye gets it done for me but no more than that (i.e. don't go adding our first rounder, Balkman, Collins, Morris or Lee)
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6/20/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

go after Rashard & parlay him along w/whatever other assets you have left to make a run at Kobe.

if Rashard wants to use us, we can use him as well.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-20-2007 12:15 PM]

A fine idea TMS but if we trade for Rashard, isn't there a no-trade timeperiod that will go into effect or is that only for newly signed players?

Here's the answer
Trading and the Salary Cap

* Teams below the salary cap may trade without regard to salary, as long as they don't end up more than $100,000 above the cap following a trade.
* Teams above the cap (or teams below the cap but would end up more than $100,000 over the cap following a trade) cannot acquire more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary they trade away. There is no lower limit -- teams may divest themselves of as much salary as they wish in a trade.
* No free agent signed in the offseason can be traded until December 15 of that year or until three months have passed (whichever comes later), a rule that prevents teams from signing free agents with the intent of using them strictly as trade fodder. For draft picks this moratorium lasts 30 days.
* If a team acquires a player in a trade, they are allowed to trade that player straight-up for another individual player immediately. However, if they wish to package that player with another and make a trade, the team must wait 60 days before doing so.


Nice try TMS.... man you sure do love you some Kobe

A deal for Kobe would have to of been worked out already. We would have to trade For Lewis then package Lewis and whatever else for Kobe right after that. For example say Seattle was willing to trade us Lewis for Nate, Frye & Crawford or something like that. A trade of Lewis, 2 draft picks, & Lee would have to already have been agreed upon under the table. I'm not saying that it is going to happen but it is possible.
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6/20/2007  3:19 PM
VDesai - you gotta give to get

The Knicks do not have the luxury of two major moves in this offseason and taking lumps for another 2-3 seasons is not a luxury Isiah Thomas is granted.

I'm jus' sayin' because if you are Seattle, are Crawford and Frye enough to sign-and-trade Lewis?

think of any transaction from the perspective of the other franchise


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6/20/2007  3:23 PM
Posted by misterearl:

VDesai - you gotta give to get

The Knicks do not have the luxury of two major moves in this offseason and taking lumps for another 2-3 seasons is not a luxury Isiah Thomas is granted.

I'm jus' sayin' because if you are Seattle, are Crawford and Frye enough to sign-and-trade Lewis?

think of any transaction from the perspective of the other franchise


Or sometimes you get more by not giving. In the Knicks case, the minute they start offering more than that, are they really getting better now and in the future?
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6/20/2007  3:27 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

go after Rashard & parlay him along w/whatever other assets you have left to make a run at Kobe.

if Rashard wants to use us, we can use him as well.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-20-2007 12:15 PM]

A fine idea TMS but if we trade for Rashard, isn't there a no-trade timeperiod that will go into effect or is that only for newly signed players?

Here's the answer
Trading and the Salary Cap

* Teams below the salary cap may trade without regard to salary, as long as they don't end up more than $100,000 above the cap following a trade.
* Teams above the cap (or teams below the cap but would end up more than $100,000 over the cap following a trade) cannot acquire more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary they trade away. There is no lower limit -- teams may divest themselves of as much salary as they wish in a trade.
* No free agent signed in the offseason can be traded until December 15 of that year or until three months have passed (whichever comes later), a rule that prevents teams from signing free agents with the intent of using them strictly as trade fodder. For draft picks this moratorium lasts 30 days.
* If a team acquires a player in a trade, they are allowed to trade that player straight-up for another individual player immediately. However, if they wish to package that player with another and make a trade, the team must wait 60 days before doing so.


Nice try TMS.... man you sure do love you some Kobe

A deal for Kobe would have to of been worked out already. We would have to trade For Lewis then package Lewis and whatever else for Kobe right after that. For example say Seattle was willing to trade us Lewis for Nate, Frye & Crawford or something like that. A trade of Lewis, 2 draft picks, & Lee would have to already have been agreed upon under the table. I'm not saying that it is going to happen but it is possible.


You're talking about a 3 way and I already addressed that in the post before this one, but TMS was not clear in his post and implied that a Kobe deal would come after Lewis was acquired. And your example is very shaky at best because you aren't specifying the picks(1rst or 2nd rounders/yrs/protection). You can't make a trade for any FA elligible for FA July 1, before the draft. Teams can't talk to FA until July 1. The under the table stuff would put this team in line to be sanctioned by the league, A La Kevin Mchale..... stripping us of future draft picks if we even tried to attempt anything close to the nature. Once again read the CBA stipulations again because obviously you didn't get it the first time. Keep up Son!

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-20-2007 2:28 PM]
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6/20/2007  3:27 PM
Lewis is only 27 and yes his acquisition makes us a playoff team. Depending on how we structure the deal, we can compete with him now and still be players in the free-agent bonanza in two years.

I would give up any of our younguns not named Lee.
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6/20/2007  3:33 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Lewis is only 27 and yes his acquisition makes us a playoff team. Depending on how we structure the deal, we can compete with him now and still be players in the free-agent bonanza in two years.

I would give up any of our younguns not named Lee.

Getting Lewis would make us the 7th or 8th seed but thats about it. The problem I have with getting Lewis is that once we get him we've shot our load because it's going to take young players to get him. That's fine if the guy you are getting makes you a top team but Shard doesn't do that for us, we'd still need to make another move but we wouldn't have the pieces to do so.
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6/20/2007  4:02 PM
Rashard Lewis = Tim Thomas
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6/20/2007  4:34 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Getting Lewis would make us the 7th or 8th seed but thats about it.

This team can be a 7th or 8th seed next year without making changes. Replace Crawford's erratic high TO 40% fg with Lewis' size, defense and consistent 46% fg (along with almost 40% from trey) and we are a force in the east that becomes a real force if a few other things come together.
Posted by nyk4ever:

The problem I have with getting Lewis is that once we get him we've shot our load because it's going to take young players to get him. That's fine if the guy you are getting makes you a top team but Shard doesn't do that for us, we'd still need to make another move but we wouldn't have the pieces to do so.

Who are you waiting for, KG? Kobe?

Best chance we have of picking up that big star is to make noise the next two years, regaining others respect as a franchise, and putting ourselves in position to be a player in the FA market.

An acquisition of Lewis, if done right, keeps us on track.


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6/20/2007  4:35 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

A deal for Kobe would have to of been worked out already. We would have to trade For Lewis then package Lewis and whatever else for Kobe right after that. For example say Seattle was willing to trade us Lewis for Nate, Frye & Crawford or something like that. A trade of Lewis, 2 draft picks, & Lee would have to already have been agreed upon under the table. I'm not saying that it is going to happen but it is possible.

How about something like this:

NY trades Crawford, Nate, D Lee, Frye, Balk, Malik, #23 pick & $3 mil
NY gets Kobe

SEA trades J Lew
SEA gets Crawford, Nate & Rado

LA trades Kobe & Rado
LA gets J Lew, D Lee, Frye, Balk, Malik, #23 pick & $3 mil
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6/20/2007  4:37 PM
I'm not hoping for either Kobe or KG Rembee.

I'm waiting for 2009, when we'll actually have some cap room and have the ability to sign a top-tier player and throw him on the court with Curry, Lee, Frye and Balkman and whoever else Isiah drafts before then. I'd rather hold out for that option than to give guys like Rashard Lewis near max contracts AND trade away some of our your talent to get them.

Don't get me wrong, Lewis is a nice player but the money and the length of contract just don't make sense right now.
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6/20/2007  4:50 PM
Again, we trade Crawford + Frye for Lewis it does not hurt our salary in 2009 as both are on the books that year.
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6/20/2007  4:55 PM
The key with Lewis is that he's a free agent. We can't sign him without a trade, but if he wants to come here and leaves Seattle with the only option of signing with a team under the cap, Seattle is motivated to take less than full value. It's better than nothing. Lewis is motivated to apply that kind of pressure to Seattle, because if he comes here, he wants to win here.

The key is does Lewis want to come here.
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6/20/2007  5:23 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

A deal for Kobe would have to of been worked out already. We would have to trade For Lewis then package Lewis and whatever else for Kobe right after that. For example say Seattle was willing to trade us Lewis for Nate, Frye & Crawford or something like that. A trade of Lewis, 2 draft picks, & Lee would have to already have been agreed upon under the table. I'm not saying that it is going to happen but it is possible.

How about something like this:

NY trades Crawford, Nate, D Lee, Frye, Balk, Malik, #23 pick & $3 mil
NY gets Kobe

SEA trades R Lew
SEA gets Crawford, Nate & Rado

LA trades Kobe & Rado
LA gets R Lew, D Lee, Frye, Balk, Malik, #23 pick & $3 mil

TMS explain to us as to when this trade would take place?
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6/20/2007  5:56 PM
Why is 2009 the only year salaries matter?
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6/20/2007  6:52 PM
has faith in Steph dwindled so small that with Curry underneath, a premier shooter like Lewis on the wings and Balkman or Lee scooping up offensive boards at an insane rate the Knicks will only be 7th or 8th in the Least?
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Why attribute the predictions to faith in Steph dwindling? Maybe it's faith in Eddy becoming a complete player dwindling? Maybe it's realizing that we'd be adding yet another one dimensional player in Rashard? Maybe it's all of the above? If we trade Jamal and Frye for Rashard, all we're doing is getting a better one dimensional player (with a worse contract) than what we're giving up. That's hardly the way to run an organization.
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6/20/2007  7:59 PM
Lewis was the no. 2 option on a 50 game winner in the West Nate's last season in Seattle.
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