Posted by TMS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

Jamal, D Lee, Balkman, Collins, Frye, #23 & future pick is a comparable package if the Bulls are not willing to include Deng IMHO... u guys may disagree but i don't devalue our assets nearly as much as some of you do.

LMFAO you would gut the whole team of it's youth with that package and put us in an absolute situation of no injury can occur to the roster. Remember this team has proven it isn't capable of withstanding injuries.

i don't give a crap how much we gut this team... right now our MAIN focus needs to be on getting ourselves a legit franchise calibre talent to pair up w/Curry & form an actual foundation to build on... you're kidding yourself if you think Isiah Thomas would blink an eyelash giving up that package to get Kobe in here... all this time you're saying that's a garbage package & now you're telling me i'm crazy for being willing to gut the roster... gimme a break.

Because both apply. Our team would be capped out with zero window for improvement... here's the roster

pg=Marbury/Nate
g=Kobe/Francis
sf=Q
pf=Jeffries/Malik
C=Curry/Morris/James

Q's back is still in question even after the surgery. Francis still doesn't fit and has bum knee. Marbury is becoming a walking injury. If any starter goes down, which is highly probable, possibly 2 go down our season instantly over and I'm not sure if that roster is that good. We'd have absolutely zero rebounding, very suspect 3 pt shooting, zero interior D, questionable perimeter D, No midrange game outside of Kobe, become strictly a halfcourt team, no starter could ever get into foul trouble, we'd have no bench, we'd have 4 players on the team who absolutely must have the ball at all times or else mayhem breaks loose.

stop spinning your arguments back & forth to suit the arguments... either you feel the package is garbage or you think it's too much to give up... you can't have it both ways... anyone who wouldn't be willing to give that up to get the next version of MJ in NY is delusional... i don't care how thin that leaves the team... i'll take my chances w/Curry/Kobe/Marbury/Q Rich/Malik for now & fill in the rest later, & i'm pretty sure Isiah would also... but since i know nothing that Isiah does can possibly live up to your standards, let's just agree to disagree on this... we're not getting anywhere.

It's not a good package and it cripples the teams future. You aren't giving the Lakers a proven young talent or near All-Star caliber player. If I were to entertain a Kobe trade I'd do something along the lines of

Curry/Malik/Lee/Nate/23 and a future pick that probably has to be unprotected 4 Kobe and even that package is suspect.

Posted by TMS:

Gordon's definitely the most talented individual talent in that deal, but i think the Knicks would be willing to give up heaven & earth to get Kobe, & i don't think the Bulls would be able to match the sheer depth of that package.

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Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

funny why every news source out there has NY as 1 of the teams then... i guess you have the inside scoop on everything that goes on behind the scenes.

No Ric Bucher does. Show me recent news sources outside of New York that has New York as one of Kobe's choices.

ESPN, the Post, Daily News, Newsday, UPI, MSNBC all reported since this whole thing came out that NY would be 1 of the teams on Kobe's short list of teams he'd like to be traded to. Do some legwork & read up on some articles. No one's concocting this idea out of thin air.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

funny why every news source out there has NY as 1 of the teams then... i guess you have the inside scoop on everything that goes on behind the scenes.

No Ric Bucher does. Show me recent news sources outside of New York that has New York as one of Kobe's choices.

ESPN, the Post, Daily News, Newsday, UPI, MSNBC all reported since this whole thing came out that NY would be 1 of the teams on Kobe's short list of teams he'd like to be traded to. Do some legwork & read up on some articles. No one's concocting this idea out of thin air.

But there has been more recent news since he's demanded being traded and his list has changed. It's not my fault you can't keep up.

Dallas, Phx, Chicago

Just pay attention to what Ric Bucher reports he's one of Kobe's main mouthpieces.

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Posted by islesfan:

PG Parker > Collins (Law or Crittenton would be better too) - How do you possibly get Collins over Parker when Parker has averaged over 11 a game the last 2 years?

Smush Parker's garbage... Collins is already a better rebounder, defender & passer... give Collins regular starter's minutes right now & he'll outplay Parker by a mile... so yeah, Collins > Parker

PF Thomas > Lee or Frye - in another year or 2 it's not even debateable. Lee and Frye would get abused by the PF's in the west

disagree.

When I say competitive, I don't mean for a championship. They'd be around a .500 team with a chance of getting the 8th seed. But when they mature and add a few more pieces, they would stand to be a very good team. They would be like the Chicago team that got a chance to grow together.

the same could be said of the Lakers team if they made the deal w/the Knicks... a team of Gordon, Smush, Odom, Bynum & Nocioni isn't close to contending for a playoff berth... Bynum is still very raw, why do you think Kobe wants out of LA? he doesn't see that team going anywhere for a few years at the bare minimum... all of a sudden that team's going to do so much better by replacing the league's best player with Gordon & co?

Posted by TMS:

With that Knicks package, the Lakers wouldn't even be getting a better player than 2 of the players that they got in the Shaq deal (Odom and Butler) and they got killed for that deal!!

same could be said if they made the trade w/the Bulls.

Posted by Vmart:

Reasons why Chicago will not persue Bryant. The Bulls are a winning team they are only getting better and better. They are taking a chance on getting rid of Deng, Gordon and Thomas and the number 9 pick for Bryant. Which leaves Bryant basically shaking his head because the situation the trade creates is worse than the Lakers situation. Your starting lineup is get this. PJ Brown, Wallace, Nocioni, Hinrich and Kobe people that is a ****ty starting 5 because Wallace is absolute waste of timeon offense, Brown is a over the hill FA, Hinrich isn't as good as what Kobe had as a side kick in LA in Odoms. Bulls get scared off from the deal because Deng is involved and the playoffs showed just how good a talent he is. The Bulls think hard about what they need and realize that what they need is a scoring PF to compliment Wallace's lack of scoring ability not Kobe. After seeing what the Cavs did in the east they realize they are not that far away from getting to the championship stage just a scoring pf away not Kobe. The deal for them to make is look to add Zack Randolph to their current team which they can get for Ty Thomas and the #9 pick and probably some filler player like Duhon.

Reason why Suns won't get Kobe, Lakers are in the West and so are the Suns the last thing the Lakers need is to create a senario where they see Kobe more than they need to. D'Antoni said they wouldn't trade Kobe to the Suns even if the Suns included the Grand Canyon in the deal I think he knows that is not going to happen. Same with the Mavs. I don't think they have anything that the Lakers want maybe Dirk thats about it but that not gonna happen for the same reasons as Suns reason.

Knicks now here is a team that can take chances because they really have nothing to lose but to get better by making the deal. Contrary to what most think on the board I think the Knicks have the most to offer the Lakers and probaly the best talent to give the Lakers and basically set the Lakers up for a decade with an abundance of talented players. What makes the Knicks situation better than most teams is get this you can thank Isiah for this if you guys want maybe not but he has created excess at almost all the positions and believe it or not they are talented players. Even if the Knicks give up 3-4 or 5 players for Kobe it is still a deep team. remember the KNicks are the only team on the list that can take chances because they didn't make the playoffs and others are playing with messing up with the good thing they got going. All the Knicks have to do is come up with a package, Crawford, Frye, Lee number 23 pick and a future number 1 protected or unprotected it doesn't matter I think the Knicks can dodge the bullet again but this time they know what they are getting. Now what is the starting lineup for the Knicks if this does happen lets pretend it does:

Jefferies/Balkman/Rose pf
Q-Rich/Jefferies/Balkman sf
Curry/JJ/Morris c
Kobe/Francis/Nate
Marbury/Mardy/Nate

That is a solid team and probaly wins a lot of games. Playoffs are alomost a lock barring injuries and championships dreams will float through our heads.

Isiah has to make this happen if this Kobe drama is for real. If it isn't atleast its giving us dreams, you can thank Kobe for that. But I would rather thank Kobe by buying a Kobe 24 uniform in NYK orange and blue.

I can't believe that Knicks fans seriously think Lee has more trade value than Kobe.