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VDesai
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I believe Isiah has come out and said that he would not trade Curry in a package for Kobe. But if the Lakers were willing to get the deal done if Eddy was involved, would yo do it? For theoretical purposes, lets say the deal on the table is: Eddy, Jamal, Lee + no.23 and a future no.1 for Kobe But you can assume your own variation- the key question is whether you'd deal Eddy.
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islesfan
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6/18/2007  1:50 PM
Posted by TMS:
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i'd trade the entire team & next year's unprotected 1st rounder for Kobe in a heartbeat.

And the Lakers would still be getting ripped off and laughed at for not getting anywhere near enough for Kobe.

there's no possible way for the Lakers to get back "fair value" for the best player in the NBA unless we're talking Lebron, D Wade, Dwight Howard, etc., all players that will NOT be traded by their respective teams.

I didn't say "fair value". Obviously they'd be giving up the best player, by far, but there's nothing on the Knicks roster that would evenly remotely make it worth giving up Kobe.

Why would the Lakers want Curry? Bynum is already better than Curry at everything but post offense and he's only 19 years old.

if the only other choice is to let Kobe whine & moan all season long & then leave for greener pastures for nothing, then the Knicks' young players & future picks might start looking better to Mitch Kupchak.

Kobe has the option to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season, when he has 3 more years remaining on his max contract?

What exactly do you mean by leaving "for greener pastures for nothing"?
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6/18/2007  1:51 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

i'd trade the entire team & next year's unprotected 1st rounder for Kobe in a heartbeat.

And the Lakers would still be getting ripped off and laughed at for not getting anywhere near enough for Kobe.

there's no possible way for the Lakers to get back "fair value" for the best player in the NBA unless we're talking Lebron, D Wade, Dwight Howard, etc., all players that will NOT be traded by their respective teams.

I didn't say "fair value". Obviously they'd be giving up the best player, by far, but there's nothing on the Knicks roster that would evenly remotely make it worth giving up Kobe.

Why would the Lakers want Curry? Bynum is already better than Curry at everything but post offense and he's only 19 years old.

if the only other choice is to let Kobe whine & moan all season long & then leave for greener pastures for nothing, then the Knicks' young players & future picks might start looking better to Mitch Kupchak.

Not necessarily! This news has a serious Viagra like side affect on many of you. You guys have like a 8 hour woody and don't know what to do or think.

The Lakers don't have to do a Damn thing. Buss said he regretted trading Shaq. He didn't say he regretted not extending him. That means at the time when Shaq had 2 yrs remaining Buss wish he would have just let Shaq play out his contract and then move on from there. His stance I'm sure is more in line treating Kobe in this fashion. Kobe will either play out his contract or sulk, he's got 2 choices but they will not trade him for pennies on the dollar.

I can't wait until a Knick player demands to be traded from this current roster.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-18-2007 12:53 PM]
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6/18/2007  1:54 PM
i'm talking about his opt out clause after the '09 season.

look, what's the point in arguing this with you for? you obviously think every player on the Knicks is garbage & every other team in the NBA has more to offer... i'm telling you LA doesn't have many options available to them... let's see how it plays out.
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6/18/2007  1:55 PM
Would the future #1 be protected? Would we bet back Bynum or another big man? We'd need someone if we dealt Curry.
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6/18/2007  1:58 PM
I don't think it would make sense to include Curry cause we would be better able to spread the court with Curry needing to be doubled. If Curry is gone then what's the point in Curry coming here. I hope Kobe realizes that he needs that down low threat to win.
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6/18/2007  2:01 PM
Posted by TMS:

i'm talking about his opt out clause after the '09 season.

look, what's the point in arguing this with you for? you obviously think every player on the Knicks is garbage & every other team in the NBA has more to offer... i'm telling you LA doesn't have many options available to them... let's see how it plays out.

Yeah, it's all about my biases, because in actuality, David Lee has more trade value than Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Shawn Marion, Josh Howard...

Sorry but the Lakers have more options available to them than, "ok Isiah, just give us what you want and you can have Kobe".
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6/18/2007  2:01 PM
I'd include Curry in order to keep Lee. Marbury and Kobe would be our high volume shooters and Lee would be there for all the offensive rebounds to give them 2nd chance points.
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6/18/2007  2:08 PM
I voted yes, because Curry ain't that good- and chances are if you are trading him to LA, you've got a chance to get Bynum back unless the lakers are trading Curry elsewhere.

Bynum
Frye
?
Kobe
Marbury

Absurd!
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6/18/2007  2:20 PM
Posted by franco12:

I voted yes, because Curry ain't that good- and chances are if you are trading him to LA, you've got a chance to get Bynum back unless the lakers are trading Curry elsewhere.

Bynum
Frye
?
Kobe
Marbury

Absurd!

So in your deal, we're getting back Bynum and Kobe. No way in hell does that happen.
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6/18/2007  2:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

i'm talking about his opt out clause after the '09 season.

look, what's the point in arguing this with you for? you obviously think every player on the Knicks is garbage & every other team in the NBA has more to offer... i'm telling you LA doesn't have many options available to them... let's see how it plays out.

Yeah, it's all about my biases, because in actuality, David Lee has more trade value than Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Shawn Marion, Josh Howard...

Sorry but the Lakers have more options available to them than, "ok Isiah, just give us what you want and you can have Kobe".


i don't think the Bulls would be willing to give up Deng & Gordon, & if they did, why would Kobe want to go to Chicago? & sorry, the Lakers are NOT trading him to a divisional rival.
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6/18/2007  2:40 PM
The Lakers want to keep Bynum and why shouldn't they. The problem is that it's gonna take more time for Bynum to get to the point where he's a real force. Kobe doesn't want to wait that long. I don't blame him.

I can't understand why anyone would want to trade Curry. It makes no sense at all. Frye as our center wouldn't be nearly as potent as having Curry. The guy shot nearly 60% without much perimeter support. If the guy can avg 2 asts and 2-3 more rebounds a game, which is very possible, we're talking about an All Star. We don't want to trade Curry if we're looking to add Kobe. For all the crap that some of you wirte about Curry, he is a dominant inside force and you can't ignore that fact. When this team is built to take more advantage of that you'll see just how devastating that can be. I know that he needs to improve in the other facets of the game, but what we're looking at is a player who is always going to be more offensive than defensive. Just accept that and build the team properly. Adding Kobe would solve a lot of the problems in terms of floor balance. Neither Frye or Lee provide the kind of inside presence that Curry does.
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6/18/2007  2:51 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

i'm talking about his opt out clause after the '09 season.

look, what's the point in arguing this with you for? you obviously think every player on the Knicks is garbage & every other team in the NBA has more to offer... i'm telling you LA doesn't have many options available to them... let's see how it plays out.

Yeah, it's all about my biases, because in actuality, David Lee has more trade value than Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Shawn Marion, Josh Howard...

Sorry but the Lakers have more options available to them than, "ok Isiah, just give us what you want and you can have Kobe".


i don't think the Bulls would be willing to give up Deng & Gordon, & if they did, why would Kobe want to go to Chicago? & sorry, the Lakers are NOT trading him to a divisional rival.

They won't trade him to a division rival but they'll trade him for nothing?

Shawn Marion > David Lee

Josh Howard > David Lee

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6/18/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by islesfan:

They won't trade him to a division rival but they'll trade him for nothing?

Shawn Marion > David Lee

Josh Howard > David Lee

D Lee, Balkman, Jamal, Frye, #23 pick, future unprotected's = nothing in your eyes... now there's what i call unbiased evaluation of our assets... think i'll bow out of this debate now & save myself the aggravation.

& yeah, they won't trade him to a divison rival, & the division rivals would rather get Kobe out of their division than give up their best players to get him IMO.
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6/18/2007  3:07 PM
The whole point is to re-create what the Lakers circa 00, 01, 02 had with a Kobe-Curry inside out tandem.
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6/18/2007  3:09 PM
The whole point is the Lakers will not do a deal if Curry is not included...why would they? They have no incentive to trade him at all to the Knicks. If he wants to come to NY so badly, maybe he should request a buyout and we can get him for the MLE...CURRY WILL BE THE FIRST NAME THE LAKERS ASK FOR followed by DAVID LEE.
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6/18/2007  3:18 PM
they wouldn't really want jamal, frye has no value right now, but if you include lee in the deal and have eddy in there with a draft choice i think its a little more possible. It would open up things for another few moves perhaps.....

Bynum, Odom, Walton all have value as does farmer, the lakers could always move walton and there pick for artest and then could turn around and do a kwame, bynum, farmer package to the nets for jkidd.


JKidd
Crawford/Evans
Artest/Radmonovic
Odom/Lee
Curry/Turiaf

I think that teams better than LA know, nothing great by any means
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6/18/2007  3:20 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

The whole point is the Lakers will not do a deal if Curry is not included...why would they? They have no incentive to trade him at all to the Knicks. If he wants to come to NY so badly, maybe he should request a buyout and we can get him for the MLE...CURRY WILL BE THE FIRST NAME THE LAKERS ASK FOR followed by DAVID LEE.

I didn't say Kobe-Curry would happen in NY. LA has enough pieces to get Curry from us.
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6/18/2007  3:32 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

They won't trade him to a division rival but they'll trade him for nothing?

Shawn Marion > David Lee

Josh Howard > David Lee

D Lee, Balkman, Jamal, Frye, #23 pick, future unprotected's = nothing in your eyes... now there's what i call unbiased evaluation of our assets... think i'll bow out of this debate now & save myself the aggravation.

& yeah, they won't trade him to a divison rival, & the division rivals would rather get Kobe out of their division than give up their best players to get him IMO.



So you've proven my other thread right


Kobe=Low trade value

David Lee=High trade value


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6/18/2007  3:35 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

They won't trade him to a division rival but they'll trade him for nothing?

Shawn Marion > David Lee

Josh Howard > David Lee

D Lee, Balkman, Jamal, Frye, #23 pick, future unprotected's = nothing in your eyes... now there's what i call unbiased evaluation of our assets... think i'll bow out of this debate now & save myself the aggravation.

& yeah, they won't trade him to a divison rival, & the division rivals would rather get Kobe out of their division than give up their best players to get him IMO.

Lee is a nice complementary player and very good rebounder, no offense, no defense. Balkman is a nice energy role player off the bench. Jamal is a chucker with a big contract. Frye is a deer in headlights. the 23rd pick doesn't have great value. Future unprotected? When? 2010 is taken and you can't trade #1's in back to back years. With those players, multiple #1 picks is a must. Knicks can't do that.

And yes, if they can get an all star like Marion or Howard, they have to give that serious consideration, especially when the alternative is taking the Knicks role players.
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6/18/2007  3:38 PM
No one's saying Curry+Craw+Lee+pick23+another pick = Kobe. But is it greater than Gordon+Tyrus+PJ Brown at a horrible contract+the Knicks top 10 pick this year?

Could be.
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