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kam77
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6/18/2007  12:18 AM
If its true that Isiah has zeroed in on Chandler. Then on draft night he can trade pick #23 for a couple 2nd rounders and pick up both Chandler and someone else who might slip.
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6/18/2007  12:21 AM
Um hoping Oden slips to 23!
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6/18/2007  1:09 AM
I bet no one will let us trade down if they think we're taking a crap player. We should draft the player that's rated the highest at our slot and then trade down to get this guy later. It would be nice if we could trade someone like byars for a lower 1st and a high second.
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6/18/2007  1:09 AM
#23 to Seattle for #31 and #35 works

Draft Chandler at 35...

This sounds like a repeat of the Balkman draft.
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6/18/2007  1:17 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I bet no one will let us trade down if they think we're taking a crap player. We should draft the player that's rated the highest at our slot and then trade down to get this guy later. It would be nice if we could trade someone like byars for a lower 1st and a high second.

None of it really matters. We are just creamed no matter what we do.
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6/18/2007  1:18 AM
Posted by kam77:

#23 to Seattle for #31 and #35 works

Draft Chandler at 35...

This sounds like a repeat of the Balkman draft.

That could work. And if Sean Williams is gone, we could take Avis Wyatt or Davon Harding with the other pick.
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6/18/2007  7:57 AM
maybe he can be the next Trevor Ariza?
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6/18/2007  9:55 AM
Posted by fishmike:

maybe he can be the next Trevor Ariza?

Yeah, that's almost as good as if, you know, we STILL HAD ARIZA!
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6/18/2007  11:14 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by fishmike:

maybe he can be the next Trevor Ariza?

Yeah, that's almost as good as if, you know, we STILL HAD ARIZA!

I think there is a difference between ariza/blakman and chandler. While they all have the same athletiscm--ariza and balkman are driven by heart while this player might be the opposite mentally with more potential skills. There are a lot of 6-7 SF guys who can play but what we need is either Morris Almond or Nick Young to play SG. Adding a forward to our jammed up 3-4 spot doesn't help balance or chemistry.

And this is it folks this is the player--this has been IT MO he's projected as a 2 he's an underclassmen, he's using the same technique he used wiuth frye so as to not work out for other clubs hes from depaul--the bottom line is unless we make a kobe trade[which we cannot wilson chandler is a knick.
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6/18/2007  3:00 PM
Briggs, you make a strong case for this. On the thread about Isaiah on SAS, he said there aren't any top shooters in the draft.
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6/18/2007  3:12 PM
Posted by Ira:

Briggs, you make a strong case for this. On the thread about Isaiah on SAS, he said there aren't any top shooters in the draft.

He could say that in any draft. Didnt he take Primo Brezec ovcer Mike Redd?
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6/18/2007  3:36 PM
Hahaha. I think every gm in the league passed on Michael Redd. After KMart, who was the first pick in that draft, Redd was the next best player and he was taken with the 43rd pick.

One point on drafting Chandler. Generally speaking, when you draft as late as we are, it's often a good idea to gamble on a long shot if you have a conviction on the guy. He's certainly not going to give us any immediate help, but most of his deficiency's (ball handling, shooting mechanics, boxing out...) are coachable. I do share your concern about his lack of intensity.
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6/18/2007  6:48 PM
^^^ You can get a guy like that off the street. Balkman's teammate Tarrence Kinsey for the Grizzlies went undrafted and had a nice season comparable to the Balksters.
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6/18/2007  7:38 PM
Posted by Ira:

Briggs, you make a strong case for this. On the thread about Isaiah on SAS, he said there aren't any top shooters in the draft.

I've heard this a lot from Isiah recently, "...no Allan Houstons in this draft," etc. Now Morris Almond worked out for us a few weeks ago I think. I'm praying Zeke's comments are just a smoke screen to deceive other teams because Almond is as close to Allan Houston as a player can be, only more muscular and a better rebounder. Same size, same game, even seems to have the same type of weaknesses Allan had (lack of overall quickness, footspeed, defense - all weaknesses I'd be willing to deal with right now in the hopes that he can imrove on them eventually btw). This has got to be the guy especially when you consider that:
(A) First and foremost, the plan's got to be to put a more CONSISTENT/HIGHER % perimeter option on the court to team up with and open up the middle for Eddy Curry. Even above improving team defense, this is the #1 deficency in my book. Now Crawford and Richardson are decent but don't fit the bill here, we all know that. They both bring stuff to the table but they are both poor, under 40% shooters. Almond shot something like 48% from the field for Rice this past year. Now subpar conference and all, this kid played big mins. and took the major bulk of the scoring on by himself with a lot of his shots coming from long range with other teams' defensive schemes designed solely around stopping him. And he still shot 48% from the field?!?! Remarkable...
(B) Until I'm told he's 100%, you have to think about replacing Richardson and what he brings to the table - and that's perimeter scoring and rebounding. Coming off serious back surgery, until I here otherwise you gotta go into this draft thinking Q won't be ready to go when the season begins. At 6'6" Almond has the height to play the 3 in the NBA and he looks like he can more than make up for Richardson's shooting and even supply Q's rebounding - a huge plus.

Unless he had a bad workout (I think it was the kid's first NBA draft workout this year - so in all fairness there's a good chance that that was the case and he didn't impress) I can't picture Zeke passing him up if he's there at #23.

Forget all this Kobe stuff. I mean if the deal's on the table for Kobe I guess you gotta pull the trigger, but I'd be perfectly happy if we took Almond at 23 then maybe made a smaller trade (something like Frye to Phoenix for the 24th pick then turn that pick into Sean Williams, something like that. And who know maybe if we get Williams and he shows his head is straight and he has an impact, maybe that opens up the door for a Lee trade. We can get something for Lee in a trade, maybe not Kobe Bryant, but something nice). I'd be extremely excited with the addition of Almond and Sean Williams but in the end of the day, I know Zeke won't go that way. It can't be that easy right? I just can't see using the 23rd pick on a project like Wilson Chandler, I'm sorry, not when you just took two wing projects last year in Collins and Balkman and not when there will be impact players on the board who can jump in and play right away and fill needs.

Who knows what he's up to, I just hope this is all about not wanting to tip his hand to other GMs at this point.
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6/18/2007  7:41 PM
I see ESPN says Isiah is looking at a couple of Euro's now too. Bellini and Popadoc Koponen. Supposedly he likes Popadoc because he was Eminem's rival in 8Mile and he's sticking to his Detroit connections.

P. Koponen
Point Guard (Rank: #30) | 6-4, 194 | Age: 19
Finland ()
Hometown: Helsinki, Finland

Draft Projection: Late first to early second

Notes: Plays for the Honka Espoo Playboys in Finland. Averaged 12.7 ppg and 3.9 apg for the Playboys during the 06-07 season.

Positives: Polished point guard with great poise. Fundamentally sound. Solid shooter. Great size for the position. Tough.

Negatives: A good athlete, but lacks the lateral quickness of most NBA point guards. Doesn't have deep range on his jump shot.

Summary: Up and coming prospect who helped himself with a solid showing against Team USA at the Nike Hoop Summit in 2007. Could be a very interesting late first to early second round pick for someone who can afford to leave him overseas for another year or two.
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6/18/2007  7:43 PM
The Finnish guy is moving up boards.
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6/18/2007  8:01 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by Ira:

Briggs, you make a strong case for this. On the thread about Isaiah on SAS, he said there aren't any top shooters in the draft.

I've heard this a lot from Isiah recently, "...no Allan Houstons in this draft," etc. Now Morris Almond worked out for us a few weeks ago I think. I'm praying Zeke's comments are just a smoke screen to deceive other teams because Almond is as close to Allan Houston as a player can be, only more muscular and a better rebounder. Same size, same game, even seems to have the same type of weaknesses Allan had (lack of overall quickness, footspeed, defense - all weaknesses I'd be willing to deal with right now in the hopes that he can imrove on them eventually btw). This has got to be the guy especially when you consider that:
(A) First and foremost, the plan's got to be to put a more CONSISTENT/HIGHER % perimeter option on the court to team up with and open up the middle for Eddy Curry. Even above improving team defense, this is the #1 deficency in my book. Now Crawford and Richardson are decent but don't fit the bill here, we all know that. They both bring stuff to the table but they are both poor, under 40% shooters. Almond shot something like 48% from the field for Rice this past year. Now subpar conference and all, this kid played big mins. and took the major bulk of the scoring on by himself with a lot of his shots coming from long range with other teams' defensive schemes designed solely around stopping him. And he still shot 48% from the field?!?! Remarkable...
(B) Until I'm told he's 100%, you have to think about replacing Richardson and what he brings to the table - and that's perimeter scoring and rebounding. Coming off serious back surgery, until I here otherwise you gotta go into this draft thinking Q won't be ready to go when the season begins. At 6'6" Almond has the height to play the 3 in the NBA and he looks like he can more than make up for Richardson's shooting and even supply Q's rebounding - a huge plus.

Unless he had a bad workout (I think it was the kid's first NBA draft workout this year - so in all fairness there's a good chance that that was the case and he didn't impress) I can't picture Zeke passing him up if he's there at #23.

Forget all this Kobe stuff. I mean if the deal's on the table for Kobe I guess you gotta pull the trigger, but I'd be perfectly happy if we took Almond at 23 then maybe made a smaller trade (something like Frye to Phoenix for the 24th pick then turn that pick into Sean Williams, something like that. And who know maybe if we get Williams and he shows his head is straight and he has an impact, maybe that opens up the door for a Lee trade. We can get something for Lee in a trade, maybe not Kobe Bryant, but something nice). I'd be extremely excited with the addition of Almond and Sean Williams but in the end of the day, I know Zeke won't go that way. It can't be that easy right? I just can't see using the 23rd pick on a project like Wilson Chandler, I'm sorry, not when you just took two wing projects last year in Collins and Balkman and not when there will be impact players on the board who can jump in and play right away and fill needs.

Who knows what he's up to, I just hope this is all about not wanting to tip his hand to other GMs at this point.

Good point. Isiah is hopefully putting down the shooters (Almond, Belinelli) so that other teams don't think we're interested in acquiring one. Drafting Chandler would mean a trade is in the works.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/19/2007  9:50 AM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by Ira:

Briggs, you make a strong case for this. On the thread about Isaiah on SAS, he said there aren't any top shooters in the draft.

I've heard this a lot from Isiah recently, "...no Allan Houstons in this draft," etc. Now Morris Almond worked out for us a few weeks ago I think. I'm praying Zeke's comments are just a smoke screen to deceive other teams because Almond is as close to Allan Houston as a player can be, only more muscular and a better rebounder. Same size, same game, even seems to have the same type of weaknesses Allan had (lack of overall quickness, footspeed, defense - all weaknesses I'd be willing to deal with right now in the hopes that he can imrove on them eventually btw). This has got to be the guy especially when you consider that:
(A) First and foremost, the plan's got to be to put a more CONSISTENT/HIGHER % perimeter option on the court to team up with and open up the middle for Eddy Curry. Even above improving team defense, this is the #1 deficency in my book. Now Crawford and Richardson are decent but don't fit the bill here, we all know that. They both bring stuff to the table but they are both poor, under 40% shooters. Almond shot something like 48% from the field for Rice this past year. Now subpar conference and all, this kid played big mins. and took the major bulk of the scoring on by himself with a lot of his shots coming from long range with other teams' defensive schemes designed solely around stopping him. And he still shot 48% from the field?!?! Remarkable...
(B) Until I'm told he's 100%, you have to think about replacing Richardson and what he brings to the table - and that's perimeter scoring and rebounding. Coming off serious back surgery, until I here otherwise you gotta go into this draft thinking Q won't be ready to go when the season begins. At 6'6" Almond has the height to play the 3 in the NBA and he looks like he can more than make up for Richardson's shooting and even supply Q's rebounding - a huge plus.

Unless he had a bad workout (I think it was the kid's first NBA draft workout this year - so in all fairness there's a good chance that that was the case and he didn't impress) I can't picture Zeke passing him up if he's there at #23.

Forget all this Kobe stuff. I mean if the deal's on the table for Kobe I guess you gotta pull the trigger, but I'd be perfectly happy if we took Almond at 23 then maybe made a smaller trade (something like Frye to Phoenix for the 24th pick then turn that pick into Sean Williams, something like that. And who know maybe if we get Williams and he shows his head is straight and he has an impact, maybe that opens up the door for a Lee trade. We can get something for Lee in a trade, maybe not Kobe Bryant, but something nice). I'd be extremely excited with the addition of Almond and Sean Williams but in the end of the day, I know Zeke won't go that way. It can't be that easy right? I just can't see using the 23rd pick on a project like Wilson Chandler, I'm sorry, not when you just took two wing projects last year in Collins and Balkman and not when there will be impact players on the board who can jump in and play right away and fill needs.

Who knows what he's up to, I just hope this is all about not wanting to tip his hand to other GMs at this point.

Good point. Isiah is hopefully putting down the shooters (Almond, Belinelli) so that other teams don't think we're interested in acquiring one. Drafting Chandler would mean a trade is in the works.

Isiah over thinks himself in the draft. He's the guy that knows he's good so he tries playing games. Problem is everyone else knows he is playing games. Since when do you SAY you are going to pick a sleeper? Doesn't telling guys you see a sleeper sort of defeat the purpose of drafting a sleeper? Is he threatening to waste the 23rd pick thinking that a team is going to want the pick so bad that they'll make an offer we can't refuse so it isn't wasted?

The thing that gets me is Isiah is contradicting himself just by talking so much. First he says from 3(or 5) on down it's all the same player. Then he goes and says that he is going to draft a project. Why draft a project if-by your own thinking- the same guy is available that is not a projuect?

I never remember Isiah pulling this stuff in Toronto or Indy.
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6/19/2007  9:55 AM
another community service from your friendly local neighborhood vocabulary spinster

"Isiah over thinks himself in the draft."

Translation for joeC

"Isiah invests an incredible amount of due diligence in draft prospects and as a result, is not afraid of following his instincts"
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6/19/2007  9:57 AM
joeC - you ever consider the reason Isiah talks so much is because he is asked so many questions?

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