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6/17/2007  2:03 PM
no doubt, Chicago can offer a better deal, but will they be willing to offer it is the question... Gordon & a filler deal is not going to get it done, & that deal is NOT better than Jamal, D Lee, Frye, etc., sorry... Chicago will have to offer up Luol Deng as well... will they be willing to do it? & more importantly, will they be willing to pay the trade kicker in Kobe's contract & still risk him leaving in a year's time via free agency? i don't think they would to be honest, but who knows... i still think NY holds a much better draw for Kobe than Chicago does after that deal is made also.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-17-2007 2:04 PM]
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6/17/2007  2:09 PM
I don't even like kobe as a person and I think he chucks with 5 guys on him when he should pass. Still kobe would be bigger than Jordan if he won a few titles in ny. He is an ******* so I net he is thinking that way.

It needs to happen. its just only right. The knicks have been the kicking toy too long. Kobe, marbs, curry, balkman, Collins and a good mix of vets and more youth is enough fire to take care of business.
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6/17/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:

If Kobe does get traded to the Knicks, for the garbage that they have to offer, the ensuing LA riot will be bigger than anything they've ever seen.

like i told true kobe wants new york and i hope zeke can pull this off. could you stop being anul for once and wish zeke your best

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6/17/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by islesfan:

If Kobe does get traded to the Knicks, for the garbage that they have to offer, the ensuing LA riot will be bigger than anything they've ever seen.

like i told true kobe wants new york and i hope zeke can pull this off. could you stop being anul for once and wish zeke your best
You're telling people what views they're allowed to express on an internet forum??? I agree with Isles that unless we give up every young player we have and several 1st rd picks, we'll be screwing the Lakers and their fans should have the reaction Isles indicated.
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6/17/2007  3:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
You're telling people what views they're allowed to express on an internet forum??? I agree with Isles that unless we give up every young player we have and several 1st rd picks, we'll be screwing the Lakers and their fans should have the reaction Isles indicated.
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bonnie, i havent asked you what views to express, dont worry about it. you wanna agree with isles....good for you

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6/17/2007  10:52 PM
Did you guys read the Kobe Blog? He seems to be making it clear he wants out. I didn't see this here, but perhaps someone already posted it:

The Truth: A new road ahead
Wassup y'all ...
Man, today is one of those surreal days for me and my family. When you love something as much as I love the Lakers its hard to even imagine thinking about being elsewhere. But, the ONE THING I will never sacrifice when it comes to basketball is WINNING. That is plain and simply what it's all about. It's in my DNA. It's what pushes me to work as hard as I do. It's my daily passion and pursuit.

The more I thought about the future, the more I became convinced that the Lakers and me just have two different visions for the future. The Lakers are pursuing a longer-term plan that is different from what Dr. Buss shared with me at the time I re-signed as a free agent. I have seen that plan unfold for the last three years and watched great trade opportunities come and go, and have seen free agents passed on. That has led to the Lakers not winning a playoff series. All of that was frustrating in itself, but then, this week to have someone "inside" the Laker organization try to blame me in the media for us not being a contender right now -- that is what brought me to my current position today.

I want it to be clear that I still love, with all my heart, the Laker Legacy. From Mikan to West to Goodrich to Wilt to Kareem to Magic. That will never change. And the support my family and I have gotten from Lakers fans is undeniably the best. I will also always believe that.

But, now there is a new road ahead. I am gonna keep grindin and keep workin to get back to competing for Championships. Sometimes the trek up the mountain is tough. But, I know we'll get there.

Strength and Honor,
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6/17/2007  11:24 PM
Posted by franco12:

Chicago has better pieces.

Wallace, Duhon, Gordon & our pick Vs our stuff.

chicago will have to give up ther four main cores, and they will have to rebuild again around him.

For the knicks, it's a matter of spending money. We could include a few future picks, and the one we have now. We probably would have to give up a few of our young cats right now, might be Lee, Nate and Balkman. This would also have to do with buying out some contract space, to make room for Kobe's contract.

I think Kobe could make Frye a much better player for one thing. He would immediately take the double and triple teams off of Curry, which woulld open up the middle. He will certainly make up for any offense that Balk, Nate and Lee may have contributed, as well as better defense, not a bad rebounder and better assists. In other words, a more all around player.

The bulls simply don't have the kind of money to spend to make it happen, not without giving up a lot in players. In which Kobe does not want to be a part of, because he want's to compete now. If Dolan were to make this investment, the Knicks would make the money up in no time at all and them some. At best with a Kobe-Knicks team, this particular team, would definately make the playoffs, go a level or two and would be just an outside shooter away from competing for a championship. That could happen sooner, with the reduced contracts of probably starbury, JJ1 & JJ2. This is just ONE' scenario of the possibilities.

And let's throw in the 'Kobe wants to play in New York' wording into the mix also.
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6/17/2007  11:25 PM
Posted by Ira:

Chicago and New York are young teams. They won't gut the future to trade for a player who's great but won't be enough.

We been screwed by chicago enough. It's our time now.
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6/17/2007  11:28 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

It would be an awful decision for him to make. I don't think him coming here would make us a championship team or leave us with enough assets to ever become one, but it would at least make the team go from being unbearable to more exciting.

The timing of all of this could work. By the time his contract ends, the others will be also going out. This has the potential of putting us back on the map, as well as having a brand new clean slate to start all over again, with a fresh cap, when it's all over with. Win it or not, it would be much more exciting and raise our stock and I mean 'immediately'! The Knicks brass would almost be insane not' to go for it. If ever there was a time for Thomas and Dolan to take a big chance, this is it!
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6/17/2007  11:32 PM
I can't believe the odds are 26 to 8 in favor of 'no'! Some of you guys love the chance Thomas made of getting starbury, who virtually a nothing and your willing to pass up a chance of a lifetime of Kobe? This is the last chance we have at a Knicked up Kobe!
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6/17/2007  11:38 PM
SWAGGER! That's the thing that some of us don't seem to be getting. Adding kobe would be an instant infusion of swagger and with the guys we already have that may be just enough to push us to the top. I think with each day that our chances are increasing. The more we go over this you really get the sense that if LA is truly done with Kobe, that we may be the best trading partner. You know that Isiah won't rest until he gives LA the package that makes them say yes.
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6/17/2007  11:41 PM
I thought the question was "Do you think Kobe will be a Knickerbocker?" not "Would you like Kobe to be a Knickerbocker?"
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6/17/2007  11:54 PM
Kobe, Marbs, IT... thrown together... This can be dramatic.. Almost like in "Thrown together" cartoon.
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6/17/2007  11:55 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I thought the question was "Do you think Kobe will be a Knickerbocker?" not "Would you like Kobe to be a Knickerbocker?"

both!
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6/18/2007  10:15 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by islesfan:

If Kobe does get traded to the Knicks, for the garbage that they have to offer, the ensuing LA riot will be bigger than anything they've ever seen.

like i told true kobe wants new york and i hope zeke can pull this off. could you stop being anul for once and wish zeke your best
You're telling people what views they're allowed to express on an internet forum??? I agree with Isles that unless we give up every young player we have and several 1st rd picks, we'll be screwing the Lakers and their fans should have the reaction Isles indicated.

i sorta think that screwing the Lakers' fans & organization be a GOOD thing... i could care less how they'd feel about it personally.
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6/18/2007  10:52 AM
The question is IF LA plays hardball and keeps Kobe, just what are they going to be able to do to improve the team enough to win the West? I don't see any moves that would do that. They're going to have to give up some talent in order to get a player like KG or JO and then they'd be back to the same problem they have now. The most logical thing to do at this point is start over. Teams that are smart realize when they're stuck. The Lakers are truly stuck right now. Are they trying to be a team of the future or of right now? If you have Kobe you have to think about right now. They've done nothing in the last few years and they don't have much of a shot to get anything done now either.

The only kind of move I think that would give them a shot to contend is if they manage to make a deal for JO and then also trade for Artest or maybe Bibby. It's probably about the only thing I can see with a chance to happen that could puch them back into the mix in the West. Even then I'm not sure that would be enough to beat the Suns, Mavs or Spurs. Only because the rest of the team would have been traded to get those guys. They'd have to fill in the blanks with some scrubs and that may not work.
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6/18/2007  10:55 AM
Well if Kobe is all about himself, NY is the best place for him.

He could make up all the money he lost in L.A from endorsements from his incident (adultery) in Colorado.

Isiah could have someone else on the roster who the media could focus on whether they win or lose.

Kobe Bryant by himself would bring back the WOWSA AT MSG .
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6/18/2007  10:59 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by islesfan:

If Kobe does get traded to the Knicks, for the garbage that they have to offer, the ensuing LA riot will be bigger than anything they've ever seen.

like i told true kobe wants new york and i hope zeke can pull this off. could you stop being anul for once and wish zeke your best
You're telling people what views they're allowed to express on an internet forum??? I agree with Isles that unless we give up every young player we have and several 1st rd picks, we'll be screwing the Lakers and their fans should have the reaction Isles indicated.

i sorta think that screwing the Lakers' fans & organization be a GOOD thing... i could care less how they'd feel about it personally.
No, the point is that the Lakers wouldn't do the trade because it would be screwing their fans. They're better off with Kobe playing at 80% and being unhappy than with most of the proposed deals I've seen.
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6/18/2007  11:04 AM
if Kobe's truly unhappy, he can ruin the season for them next year & then leave them hanging high & dry... how is that a better option for them than risking the fans' ire by trading Kobe to the Knicks?
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6/18/2007  11:25 AM
Posted by TMS:

if Kobe's truly unhappy, he can ruin the season for them next year & then leave them hanging high & dry... how is that a better option for them than risking the fans' ire by trading Kobe to the Knicks?

It doesn't make any sense to keep a player around that doesn't want to be there. If they Lakers don't get better, Kobe will continue to bash them in the media and it will turn into a circus. You just know that if Kobe is talking now, he won't get quiet all of a sudden if nothing get's done. This is just the tip of the iceberg. It could get ugly if they force him to stay when he wants to go. That would just be stupid on the part of the Lakers. In these types of deals you never get equal value. What you hope to do is set the franchise up to succeed in rebuilding. that's the best you can do and in truth they've sucked enough money out of the fans the last few years without Shaq and with no real shot to win a title. Now they can do the right thing and at least be honest with the fans and rebuild. I believe that they'll come to that conclusion and a deal will get done.

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