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MS
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6/15/2007  11:39 AM
Fine he is mentally weak for three quarters
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6/15/2007  1:06 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

Jamal is at least an active contributor on a this team and responsible for a good chunk of the teams success this season. Grant it 34 wins is nothing special, but it is 10 more than last year. He is good enough to excel everywhere else but here. Players like him, you live with and die with. I have no arguments about his defense, he needs to improve, but he does have some value.

Last season Jc was one of the worst FG shooters on our team. If he is not scoring at a decent %, what is he doing out there to help us? You may say he hits clutch shots, but if he didn't shoot at such a horrible rate to begin with the game might not be close enough to need it in the first place.
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6/15/2007  1:07 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by TMS:

trading him is fine with me as long as we get a real quality player in return... i don't give him up for garbage just to unload his contract tho.

I'd rather take a step back, clear his contract- give time to Mardy- or heck, Balkman at the two.

Loose a ton more games the next two years- assuming Isiah doesn't trade our lotto pick away- use those picks to get young talent- and have a chance at getting a superstar in the draft.

clearing JC is not a step back. it would actually improve the team. more efficient scorers shooting the ball and better defense at the guard.
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6/15/2007  1:22 PM
it's a step back if your not getting something tangible in return.
who are these efficient scorers you are referring to ? JC's biggest thing is shot selection, that should improve as the team develops. His defense is what it is, hopefully he keeps working at it.

I don't think it's fair to sit around and totally blame JC for the teams short comings. It wasn't him alone that got the team down, but I do remember many games where it was him alone that brought the team back, that won the game. You want more defense at the guard position, then play Mardy more, and throw balkman in there to defend the 2 guard position.

Also, mentally weak players are not clutch players. There are many player that play well for the 3 quarters and then fade down the stretch.

My argument is this, I don't disagree with what most of you are saying about his deficiencies, I just don't see the logic in moving a player just to free up space, espcially when he is actively contributing and obviously is a very integral part to the team. Whether you like him or not, he is integral, I haven't even mentioned the whole chemistry thing he has going on with Eddie.
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6/15/2007  1:50 PM
Jamal Crwford is not mentallk weak. Crawford can go 0-15 with 6 points and come back the next game and drop 25 pts 2 steals 6 assist. Channing Frye on the other hand is mentally weak
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6/15/2007  2:27 PM
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So he essentially had 30 off nights in his 59 games which is half the games he played this season he shot the ball like garbage, people really have look at jamal the way they should. Factor in defense and the fact that isiah plays him 38 minutes a night and there he is a big reason for the losing
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6/15/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

who are these efficient scorers you are referring to ? JC's biggest thing is shot selection, that should improve as the team develops. His defense is what it is, hopefully he keeps working at it.

QRich, Nate, and Francis were much more efficient offensively than JC. And defensively, Nate, Qrich, and Collins are light years better.
Posted by Michael6835:

I don't think it's fair to sit around and totally blame JC for the teams short comings. It wasn't him alone that got the team down, but I do remember many games where it was him alone that brought the team back, that won the game. You want more defense at the guard position, then play Mardy more, and throw balkman in there to defend the 2 guard position.

And how was his shooting in quarters 1-3 in those games that he brought us back? Unless he was consistent all game, who cares.
Posted by Michael6835:

My argument is this, I don't disagree with what most of you are saying about his deficiencies, I just don't see the logic in moving a player just to free up space, espcially when he is actively contributing and obviously is a very integral part to the team. Whether you like him or not, he is integral, I haven't even mentioned the whole chemistry thing he has going on with Eddie.

It's to free up space for better overall players who are on our roster. Plus Eddy seemed to do just fine in Chicago after JC was traded. You call it chemistry, but it could also be a distraction.
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6/15/2007  3:07 PM
Shooting guard is the position I'd most like to upgrade. I'd like to get a player who's more consistent from the outside, goes to the basket more and above all who can keep players in front of him on defense.
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6/15/2007  3:15 PM
Austin (SLC, UT): What does Utah need to do to get that outside shooter, to make them a championship caliber team?

Chris Sheridan: My ESPN colleague allan Houston would be a nice fit, and he's very open to the idea of making a comeback. His Knicks contract just now ended (insurance paid his salary the past two years), and he can be signed without surrendering anything. So there's one idea.


interesting?
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6/15/2007  3:19 PM
at this stage in the game, Jamal is still a better option at SG than Allan Houston is on a pair of bad knees... you're also not getting any upgrade in defense if you go that route... my best guess is that Houston is a solid option to have off the bench as a 10-15 mpg role player... adding him to this team would be fine with me, but not with the idea that he'll become our starting SG option for the season.
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6/15/2007  3:22 PM
with eddy out there you would start him, if he was the same shooter you could go to a zone, we put up with channing pretending to be able to shoot jumpers all season
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6/15/2007  3:28 PM
it's not whether i question his shooting ability... it's whether or not his knees will hold up to the daily grind of an 82 game season... i just don't think it's realistic to think a guy's gonna come out of retirement w/historically bad knees after 2 years of inactivity & all of a sudden give you 20-30 productive minutes every night.
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6/15/2007  3:30 PM
even if its 15-20 in a starting role its balance and size and real spacing, we are not asking him to go over
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6/15/2007  9:01 PM
Jamal Crawford is better than Allan Houston right now. Any talk about Allan coming back is ludicrous.
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6/15/2007  10:52 PM
Allan Houston ?
Ms, now I know I have to take what you say with a grain of salt. You don't want Crawford, but you some how expect allan to come in and start for 15-20 mins. Are you kidding me ? Allan is good fit to come off the bench and give about 10 -15 minutes. Have him out there for those times when we need to have 3 pt shooters out there.

And I can't believe your telling me nate, Collins, QRich was better than jamal. That's a joke, players that people want at the 2 guard simply don't exist in todays NBA. If they do, they are secured on a good team and are not moving. You want a player good on defense, good at driving, good at scoring, good at everything at the 2 position. Who are those players ?
So JC shoots alot of shots, big deal, he is a shooter. Jamal's biggest flaw is poor decision making, he gets out and makes bad judgements or over dribbles. That can be improved or curtailed. I don't understand why you decided exile him. What about franchise? how about getting rid of channing. Blaming crawford for the losses is just not fair.
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6/16/2007  12:45 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Jamal Crawford is better than Allan Houston right now. Any talk about Allan coming back is ludicrous.

Yes, but Jamal Crawford has nothing on Allan from 6 years ago. With that said, it would be nice if we could sign him to a 1 year or maybe 2 year LLE deal or something, just so he can be a positive vet influence. The guys now need someone to look up to not named Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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6/16/2007  12:48 PM
And to answer Cookdcokehop:

Shouldn't trade him: Potential potential potential. Has the ability to be a boarderline all star if he can get his head screwed on tight and be as smart as he sounds when giving interviews, on the court.

SHould trade him: If we find a better option at shooting guard or just can get a better fit for the team short and long term. With that said, the same goes for Franburyson.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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