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jaydh
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6/12/2007  6:55 PM
Posted by TMS:

don't forget the next Ken Griffey, Jr., Mr. Lastings Milledge.

never heard that before. Gomez and Martinez were always known to be better OF prospects than Miledge. but, he is a fine prospect, he is just injured right now.
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6/13/2007  2:28 AM
never was impressed at all w/the skills he showed, albeit over a very small sample of games at the ML level... i don't know what all the hype was about w/that kid to be honest... but who knows, maybe he'll pan out for you guys... i don't think he's worth the hype personally... Omar should have traded him & Heilmann for Dan Haren over the winter when he had the chance... too late now... Haren's having a Cy Young calibre season in OAK, Milledge is looking more & more like a bust, & Heilmann's been very inconsistent this season... i heard Met fans saying Minaya would be crazy to make that deal last winter... how do you feel about it now?

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2007 02:35 AM]
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6/13/2007  9:14 AM
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Posted by TMS:

don't forget the next Ken Griffey, Jr., Mr. Lastings Milledge.

Oh man that crap pissed me off. Even though I'm as diehard a Yankee fan as they come, my idol growing up and favorite athlete in ANY sport was and still is Ken Griffey Jr. When I heard that crap about Milledge being the next Griffey I was so pissed.

Just as a sidenote, I'm happy to see Griffey having a great pain-free year so far this year, hopefully he keeps it up. Just as another sidenote, the sport of baseball would have been so much better served if Griffey never got hurt and HE was the one chasing that HR title. Barry Bonds owning that record is just an absolute tragedy and spits in the faces of guys like Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth.

I like Barry Bonds--I think he's been unfairly singled out. The entire last generation of baseball players appear to have a rather large majority that were taking something that might not be considered too kosher--why is Barry the one taking the fall for it? But he stands there like a man and takes it. Barry was great before he started lifting weights--anyone old enough remembers how good barry was--he was always great. If he took something illegal during a period of time when many others were doing the same--well that's just a circumstance of the time. Do you think Babe Ruth ever did speed with his drinking problem? We don't know these answers so we shouldnt condemn the individual. By the way if steroids should be considred a subtance that wipes out records--there would be no history of the NFL.
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6/13/2007  9:22 AM
Posted by TMS:

never was impressed at all w/the skills he showed, albeit over a very small sample of games at the ML level... i don't know what all the hype was about w/that kid to be honest... but who knows, maybe he'll pan out for you guys... i don't think he's worth the hype personally... Omar should have traded him & Heilmann for Dan Haren over the winter when he had the chance... too late now... Haren's having a Cy Young calibre season in OAK, Milledge is looking more & more like a bust, & Heilmann's been very inconsistent this season... i heard Met fans saying Minaya would be crazy to make that deal last winter... how do you feel about it now?

Milledge really hasn't played enough in the majors to judge him a bust or not. He definately has talent, but his mouth and actions have caused him to fall out of favor with Minaya. As far as heilman, yea he had a couple rough outings, but i'll take his .99 WHIP out of the bullpen anytime(hardly a bust). bullpens are just as important as starting rotations these days. I really dont think that offer was on the table, that was the media hyping it and they are hardly ever exactly accurate. I'm sure it involved more than milledge+heilman. Besides, while it would be nice to have him, our problem isn't our starters, right now its our bullpen and some slumping bats.
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6/13/2007  9:24 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Barry Bonds owning that record is just an absolute tragedy and spits in the faces of guys like Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth.

Do you know much about the history of baseball and how riddled with drugs its been?
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6/13/2007  9:48 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by TMS:

never was impressed at all w/the skills he showed, albeit over a very small sample of games at the ML level... i don't know what all the hype was about w/that kid to be honest... but who knows, maybe he'll pan out for you guys... i don't think he's worth the hype personally... Omar should have traded him & Heilmann for Dan Haren over the winter when he had the chance... too late now... Haren's having a Cy Young calibre season in OAK, Milledge is looking more & more like a bust, & Heilmann's been very inconsistent this season... i heard Met fans saying Minaya would be crazy to make that deal last winter... how do you feel about it now?

Milledge really hasn't played enough in the majors to judge him a bust or not. He definately has talent, but his mouth and actions have caused him to fall out of favor with Minaya. As far as heilman, yea he had a couple rough outings, but i'll take his .99 WHIP out of the bullpen anytime(hardly a bust). bullpens are just as important as starting rotations these days. I really dont think that offer was on the table, that was the media hyping it and they are hardly ever exactly accurate. I'm sure it involved more than milledge+heilman. Besides, while it would be nice to have him, our problem isn't our starters, right now its our bullpen and some slumping bats.

no, ur right, he hasn't played enough to judge fairly... & by no means am i saying heilmann's a bust... i think he's a solid setup man to have in the BP... just don't think your team is as good as it's been billed to be, that's all...

disagree w/u about your starting rotation... i think Perez & Maine are starting to level off, & Glavine has been horrible in the last few starts... & there's no telling what you're going to get from Pedro when he comes back... El Duque is solid, but he can't carry a rotation... you guys need a legitimate ace to anchor that staff if you want any realistic chance of winning a championship.
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6/13/2007  10:07 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Barry Bonds owning that record is just an absolute tragedy and spits in the faces of guys like Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth.

Do you know much about the history of baseball and how riddled with drugs its been?

What form of drugs? If you're talking about drugs like Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry and others who took drugs like cocaine and stuff like that than your point isn't valid because these drugs were not performance-enhancing, they are performance-decreasing.
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6/13/2007  10:27 AM
Posted by TMS:

disagree w/u about your starting rotation... i think Perez & Maine are starting to level off, & Glavine has been horrible in the last few starts... & there's no telling what you're going to get from Pedro when he comes back... El Duque is solid, but he can't carry a rotation... you guys need a legitimate ace to anchor that staff if you want any realistic chance of winning a championship.

if a low 3 ERA is leveling off, i'll take it. Never liked Glavine, i dont care for the soft tosser who is all about location. The mets don't have a true ace right now, but in the postseason you need 4 starters and the mets have one of the best 1-4(statswise at least).
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6/13/2007  10:30 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Barry Bonds owning that record is just an absolute tragedy and spits in the faces of guys like Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth.

Do you know much about the history of baseball and how riddled with drugs its been?

What form of drugs? If you're talking about drugs like Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry and others who took drugs like cocaine and stuff like that than your point isn't valid because these drugs were not performance-enhancing, they are performance-decreasing.

I'm talking about "greenies" that clubhouses used to hand out to there players prior to games. Or "red stuff"(liquid form of greenies) that Willie Mays kept in his locker. Plus many players from 50s and 60s have said that they popped and took everything and anything that would have helped them perform. Now i don't think they all did it, but the majority did, and many in the HOF did.
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6/13/2007  11:41 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Barry Bonds owning that record is just an absolute tragedy and spits in the faces of guys like Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth.

Do you know much about the history of baseball and how riddled with drugs its been?

What form of drugs? If you're talking about drugs like Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry and others who took drugs like cocaine and stuff like that than your point isn't valid because these drugs were not performance-enhancing, they are performance-decreasing.

I'm talking about "greenies" that clubhouses used to hand out to there players prior to games. Or "red stuff"(liquid form of greenies) that Willie Mays kept in his locker. Plus many players from 50s and 60s have said that they popped and took everything and anything that would have helped them perform. Now i don't think they all did it, but the majority did, and many in the HOF did.

You're comparing amphetamines to steroids and HGH???

I guess that makes coffee comparable to andro.
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6/13/2007  11:45 AM
Keep the faith my fellow Met fans. We shall overcome this.
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6/13/2007  11:50 AM
Posted by islesfan:

You're comparing amphetamines to steroids and HGH???

I guess that makes coffee comparable to andro.

There were steroids back then too. Amphetamines were the drugs of choice but not all there was. The intentions were the same, to enhance performance on the field.
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6/13/2007  1:27 PM
I think the Mets are fine, although I feel better about BRIGGS rooting for the Mets than Mr.Earl.
This little slump looks bad because we're hitting when we don't pitch, and vice versa- that can make a team look really bad. Also, Reyes, (who is my favorite player) is a little off right now and that screws the whole team off.
As far as the pitching staff I think we're pretty good for the short term and we have guys in the system for the long term- I'm excited about Pedro coming back and I like Maine and Perez. I hated Glavine being a Met but I warmed up to him after he won 2 playoff games for us. I think our real need will be a first base prospect as it looks like either Delgado is slowing down or still injured from his off season surgery. I don't like Franco being the backup.
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6/13/2007  1:33 PM
Posted by 93BUICK:

I think our real need will be a first base prospect as it looks like either Delgado is slowing down or still injured from his off season surgery. I don't like Franco being the backup.


As of right now, Mike Carp is the future at 1B which isn't too bad according to scouting reports.
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6/13/2007  7:25 PM
Well, Mike Jacobs would have been the man had we not traded for Delgado. In any event, Delgado had carpel tunnel surgery in both wrists, from what I understand - I bet his wrists will never quite be the same. That said, his RBI/HR production is still quite good - but his BA is pretty terrible still.

I still kind of question our signing of Alou. From a practical standpoint, he's essentially the right-handed hitting version of Floyd - only plays like 100-120 games a season and is hobbled by nagging injuries whe he does play. Great production when he does play, but you never know what you're gonna get. I think he's nearing his quota of averaged missed games per season... so hopefully we'll soon be getting consistent production from him.
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6/14/2007  9:11 AM
if the mets mess up this weekend and allow the yanks to sweep the series ( which is a high probability with the way both teams are playing), you can kiss the division lead and even playoffs goodbye. phillies are the streaking team we need to worry about since we gave them confidence the last time we played. i guess we can't boo frigging rollins because he is proving he is right. the phillies are starting to be the team to beat in this division. randolph better do something quick.
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6/14/2007  10:07 AM
can someone tell me what Brad Penny said to Shawn green last night? I mean that was some bush league crap it seems...
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6/14/2007  10:40 AM
Posted by tkf:

can someone tell me what Brad Penny said to Shawn green last night? I mean that was some bush league crap it seems...

when i was watching SC, they mentioned something about Green possibly stealing signs when he was on 2B in a prior inning... what's so Bush about a pitcher telling him he's gonna get one in the ribs next time he catches him doing that?
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6/16/2007  1:56 PM
jazz - high probabilty of a Yankees sweep?

there is a much higher probability that anything can happen

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6/17/2007  10:46 PM
Posted by misterearl:

jazz - high probabilty of a Yankees sweep?

there is a much higher probability that anything can happen

might as well be a sweep. they embarassed themselves throughout the series. goodbye first place. hello watching another team in october. p.s. i love how reyes embarassed himself in this game by striking out badly. maybe it will light something under him so he can stop goofing around and concentrate on baseball.
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