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newyorknewyork
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6/10/2007  12:00 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Dallas traded Martin Muursepp, Bubba Wells and Pat Garrity and a 1999 first-round draft selection to Phoenix for Steve Nash.

Um... wasn't that first round draft selection a player named SHAWN MARION? How was that a bad trade?

I didn't know that first pick was Marion.
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6/10/2007  2:54 AM
Posted by Solace:
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TT was a wuss but he wasn't a cancer. A cancer is someone who negatively impacts other players on the team. I know you like Van Horn a lot but he didn't play any better than TT post-trade either. I think Nazr was the best of the four players involved in the trade.

Um, are you serious? Just his mere presence on a team lowers that team's value. Wow, he played well in the playoffs, in a contract year, let's get a grip. He's once again a cancer and destroyed the Clippers team this year. His "addition" turned them from a game away from the WCF to a team that doesn't make the playoffs. He had a similar impact on the Knicks. He plays like a lazy dog most nights and that DOES impact his teammates. Negatively. He's also a moron. One of the Nets fans I occasionally talk to, went to college with him and said he's one of the dumbest guys he's ever met. We would've been better with Jessica Alba playing SF.

Also, this has nothing to do with Van Horn. Nazr is fine and I'm not knocking Nazr. Frankly, part of me might prefer him over Curry. Nazr certainly wasn't the best player in that trade, but that's an old argument and one I don't care about. Let's just move past that.

Whatever. I still don't think you can mention it along with the trades of Kobe, Shaq, Nowitski. We're talking about trading away MVP candidates for nothing here.
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6/10/2007  6:56 AM
John Starks, Chris Mills and Terry Cummings for Latrell Sprewell.
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6/10/2007  10:49 AM
Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and Nene for McDyess(Played a whole 20 games for us), Frank Williams, and a 2nd rd pick.
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6/10/2007  11:29 AM
Kvh and doleac were both playing extreamly well for the knicks at the time of the trade. Isiah took the chance that Tim Thomas would step up and reach his potential as a knick in a starting role. At the time nazr was a nobody. He came to the knicks and produced. The trade was a reach. Isiah should have tried to improve the team another way. Oh well.
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6/10/2007  11:41 AM
Posted by anklebraker:

KVH and Doleac for Thomas and Nazr.

Pose this question on a non-Knick board and this trade doesn't even come up....
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6/10/2007  12:47 PM
Penny for Francis and giving up Ariza is way worse than the KVH trade.
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6/10/2007  1:12 PM
KVH trade wasn't awful. Downgraded from KVH to TT but upgraded from Doleac to Nazr. KVH and TT had the same contract years and dollars so no impact there. Nazr was a decent enough trading chip that we got two first rounders for him which turned into David Lee and Mardy Collins. So if the KVH/TT component washes out-- gotta figure that KVH over TT would not have landed us in the playoffs, and KVH's contract could have served the same purpose as TT's in the Curry deal-- you get rid of Doleac and add Malik Rose, David Lee and Mardy Collins. Yeah, bad move Isiah.

It's true that the trade broke up a string of nice play for that team, but you can't go about restructuring a team that has nice chemistry, and I mean nice chemistry as in a 7th or 8th seed hopeful, based on players like KVH and Doleac.

Worst Isiah trade is easily Penny and Ariza for Francis. There's no question.
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6/10/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

TT was a wuss but he wasn't a cancer. A cancer is someone who negatively impacts other players on the team. I know you like Van Horn a lot but he didn't play any better than TT post-trade either. I think Nazr was the best of the four players involved in the trade.

Um, are you serious? Just his mere presence on a team lowers that team's value. Wow, he played well in the playoffs, in a contract year, let's get a grip. He's once again a cancer and destroyed the Clippers team this year. His "addition" turned them from a game away from the WCF to a team that doesn't make the playoffs. He had a similar impact on the Knicks. He plays like a lazy dog most nights and that DOES impact his teammates. Negatively. He's also a moron. One of the Nets fans I occasionally talk to, went to college with him and said he's one of the dumbest guys he's ever met. We would've been better with Jessica Alba playing SF.

Also, this has nothing to do with Van Horn. Nazr is fine and I'm not knocking Nazr. Frankly, part of me might prefer him over Curry. Nazr certainly wasn't the best player in that trade, but that's an old argument and one I don't care about. Let's just move past that.

Whatever. I still don't think you can mention it along with the trades of Kobe, Shaq, Nowitski. We're talking about trading away MVP candidates for nothing here.

The mention of it with the worst trades of the past 20 years wasn't serious. I thought that part was obvious. It was terrible, but obviously not at the level of those other trades mentioned.
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6/10/2007  3:27 PM
The Camby Nene - McDyess Williams trade was the worst one I've seen in that it took a franchise from a competitive level and put them in desperation mode from then until the present day.
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6/10/2007  3:31 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

TT was a wuss but he wasn't a cancer. A cancer is someone who negatively impacts other players on the team. I know you like Van Horn a lot but he didn't play any better than TT post-trade either. I think Nazr was the best of the four players involved in the trade.

Um, are you serious? Just his mere presence on a team lowers that team's value. Wow, he played well in the playoffs, in a contract year, let's get a grip. He's once again a cancer and destroyed the Clippers team this year. His "addition" turned them from a game away from the WCF to a team that doesn't make the playoffs. He had a similar impact on the Knicks. He plays like a lazy dog most nights and that DOES impact his teammates. Negatively. He's also a moron. One of the Nets fans I occasionally talk to, went to college with him and said he's one of the dumbest guys he's ever met. We would've been better with Jessica Alba playing SF.

Also, this has nothing to do with Van Horn. Nazr is fine and I'm not knocking Nazr. Frankly, part of me might prefer him over Curry. Nazr certainly wasn't the best player in that trade, but that's an old argument and one I don't care about. Let's just move past that.

Whatever. I still don't think you can mention it along with the trades of Kobe, Shaq, Nowitski. We're talking about trading away MVP candidates for nothing here.

You implying that Van Horn isn't an MVP candidate?
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6/10/2007  5:09 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

The Camby Nene - McDyess Williams trade was the worst one I've seen in that it took a franchise from a competitive level and put them in desperation mode from then until the present day.

It was bad. I hated that trade when it happened, but.. a competitive level? We won 30 games the year before. That might be stretching.

Although, I can see us not having made that trade, maybe Layden doesn't get fired, maybe we never trade for Marbury and Tim Thomas. Maybe.... then that would be hopeful.

[Edited by - Solace on Jun 10 2007 5:12 PM]
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6/10/2007  5:54 PM
Bonn, did you add something to the forum in your other 13,198 posts or what
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6/10/2007  10:32 PM
Criticizing the McDyess trade is easy after the fact. At the time every doctor told us that McDyess would fully recover. Previously, he was an all star and not at all injury prone. Camby was an injury waiting to happen.
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6/10/2007  10:33 PM
Posted by Ira:

Criticizing the McDyess trade is easy after the fact. At the time every doctor told us that McDyess would fully recover. Previously, he was an all star and not at all injury prone. Camby was an injury waiting to happen.

thank you.

camby missed an average of 30 games a year for us leading up to the trade. the epitome of frustration.

dice returned after the injury to play one month in denver. then dominated in the preseason before getting hurt again.

it's no different than isiah building a team with what he considered a healthy allan houston in the backcourt.
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6/10/2007  10:40 PM
Here's a bad trade. In 2002, Boston traded Joe Johnson, a first round pick and two bench warmers for Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk.
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6/10/2007  11:11 PM
Posted by Ira:

Here's a bad trade. In 2002, Boston traded Joe Johnson, a first round pick and two bench warmers for Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk.

Ahh forgot about that one! That was a god awful trade.
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