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6/6/2007  11:33 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

paxson and skiles both say sweets works real hard. apparently, the problem is genetic with him.

It's either genetic, OR he probably works really hard at the gym and on the court, but his eating habits are abyssmal.
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6/6/2007  11:39 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by TMS:

college stats don't always amount to much... Kurt Thomas was a beast in college.

I think Bonns arguement is a little more valid b/c Sweetney has been a bust so far. Kurt Thomas turned out to be a good player and probably would have been better had it not been for his injuries super early in his career.

Regardless of what the numbers are, we need to give Morris a shot.

It's already been touched on, but I don't think the Sweetney comparison is necessairly the smart one to make. Had he been able to keep in shape, I still believe Sweets would have been a pretty good player as well. Now I do agree that college stats have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Morris is still a question mark on this team, no doubt. The numbers are nice to see though, and atleast give people like me, who almost never watched him in college, something to go on. It's all speculation, just like we speculate how college players will make the transition into the NBA after the draft.

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6/6/2007  12:02 PM
Randolph Morris has had absolutely no media outlet mention his name until isiah signed him.

How good is this kid really? To tell you the truth I haven't seen the kid play since the year he put his name in the draft as a freshman. He looks a lot heavier since back then.

Questions for me would be, who does he resemble as far as NBA talent? Is he quick? mobile? Is he a stiff? Can he really block shots or is he just a goof like channing?

In the few minutes he played as a knick, he looked retarded like elden Campbell used to look. I didn't see much quickness or energy really on display. Just kinda doofy like elden Campbell. Elden could ball though. Does he remind anyone else of elden Campbell? If he can move like elden then he could be effective alongside curry at least in the rotation.
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6/6/2007  12:19 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by Bonn1997:

What were Mike Sweetney's numbers with at least 30 min in his final year?

Forget about the 30 mins- Mike Sweetney average 23-10-3 as a junior.

my point exactly... we can't get caught up in stats that guys put up in college too much, because a lot of times they don't translate to the NBA... guys are so much bigger, faster & stronger in the NBA, that tools that get you numbers at the college level like just having size or athleticism don't carry you anymore. (not saying that's all Morris has, just in general)

I agree with you, although I was in definite support of drafting Sweetney, I overlooked his weight problem and figured NBA trainers would work it out. The problem with looking at Sweetneys college stats compared to Morris's is that Morris isn't a tweener and Sweetney was a major tweener with weight problems. Morris also doesn't have weight problems, that truly is Sweetney's biggest problem, if he could ever get to a manageable playing weight and stay there, he'd be a beast on both ends of the court but since he can't, he'll continue to rot away on his teams bench.

I think with Morris, the stats that Briggs provided are important because he 1. he played in the SEC which is big-time competition and 2. he's not a tweener who will have a tough time adjusting to the NBA. I think Morris's skills and his height and weight will allow him to be a middle of the road starter in this league. He just needs the minutes.
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6/6/2007  1:08 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Randolph Morris has had absolutely no media outlet mention his name until isiah signed him.

How good is this kid really? To tell you the truth I haven't seen the kid play since the year he put his name in the draft as a freshman. He looks a lot heavier since back then.

Questions for me would be, who does he resemble as far as NBA talent? Is he quick? mobile? Is he a stiff? Can he really block shots or is he just a goof like channing?

In the few minutes he played as a knick, he looked retarded like elden Campbell used to look. I didn't see much quickness or energy really on display. Just kinda doofy like elden Campbell. Elden could ball though. Does he remind anyone else of elden Campbell? If he can move like elden then he could be effective alongside curry at least in the rotation.


Elden Campbell is a good comp for his build. They both have strangely square shoulders. Actually I think he can be that type of player. He's pretty physical and can hit the boards. Elden had a few more post moves though.
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6/6/2007  1:13 PM
Posted by TMS:

college stats don't always amount to much... Kurt Thomas was a beast in college.

If this kid turns out to be as good as Kurt I'll be very happy.
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6/6/2007  2:23 PM
i think he has no chance to be as good as kurt, he is a noted slacker that doesn't really love the game, only plays it because he is tall....typical isiah thomas big man
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6/6/2007  2:26 PM
Hopefully he can be a Jerome James type.
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6/6/2007  3:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Hopefully he can be a Jerome James type.

this is jerome's year. he just had to work the new york party scene out of his system.
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6/6/2007  3:27 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Randolph Morris has had absolutely no media outlet mention his name until isiah signed him.

How good is this kid really? To tell you the truth I haven't seen the kid play since the year he put his name in the draft as a freshman. He looks a lot heavier since back then.

Questions for me would be, who does he resemble as far as NBA talent? Is he quick? mobile? Is he a stiff? Can he really block shots or is he just a goof like channing?

In the few minutes he played as a knick, he looked retarded like elden Campbell used to look. I didn't see much quickness or energy really on display. Just kinda doofy like elden Campbell. Elden could ball though. Does he remind anyone else of elden Campbell? If he can move like elden then he could be effective alongside curry at least in the rotation.
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6/6/2007  3:42 PM
regarding Sweetney, yes he showed flashes of being a good player, just like many other young players are apt to do in spurts... but he was not consistent at all... he would just as easily follow up a double double with a 5 & 3 w/5 fouls type performance... this is what i'm talking about when i mention consistency... conditioning has absolutely everything to do w/a player's merit... you guys rag on Curry all the time for his lack of conditioning, but he's put up much more consistent #'s over his career than Sweetney has... look at a guy like Oliver Miller during his Phoenix days... he looked like a promising young C, but lack of conditioning & bad work ethic exposed him over the long haul... i personally don't care what a guy does in college or HS... until he proves himself at the NBA level, all it is is unfulfilled potential in my view... college stats are a good measure to judge potential, but that's as far as it goes... the actual player's quality is measured in achieved consistent production on the floor.
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6/6/2007  3:55 PM
Posted by TMS:

regarding Sweetney, yes he showed flashes of being a good player, just like many other young players are apt to do in spurts... but he was not consistent at all... he would just as easily follow up a double double with a 5 & 3 w/5 fouls type performance... this is what i'm talking about when i mention consistency... conditioning has absolutely everything to do w/a player's merit... you guys rag on Curry all the time for his lack of conditioning, but he's put up much more consistent #'s over his career than Sweetney has... look at a guy like Oliver Miller during his Phoenix days... he looked like a promising young C, but lack of conditioning & bad work ethic exposed him over the long haul... i personally don't care what a guy does in college or HS... until he proves himself at the NBA level, all it is is unfulfilled potential in my view... college stats are a good measure to judge potential, but that's as far as it goes... the actual player's quality is measured in achieved consistent production on the floor.

Curry has superior talent to Sweetney. So no player should be view as a sure thing. Ala Oden or Durant. So why are being so hard on Randolph right now. Can the guy have more than 5 minutes in the league before we write about his NBA failures.
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6/6/2007  4:06 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by EnySpree:

Randolph Morris has had absolutely no media outlet mention his name until isiah signed him.

How good is this kid really? To tell you the truth I haven't seen the kid play since the year he put his name in the draft as a freshman. He looks a lot heavier since back then.

Questions for me would be, who does he resemble as far as NBA talent? Is he quick? mobile? Is he a stiff? Can he really block shots or is he just a goof like channing?

In the few minutes he played as a knick, he looked retarded like elden Campbell used to look. I didn't see much quickness or energy really on display. Just kinda doofy like elden Campbell. Elden could ball though. Does he remind anyone else of elden Campbell? If he can move like elden then he could be effective alongside curry at least in the rotation.
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6/6/2007  4:21 PM
One thing about Randolph Moriss. He's supposed to be a very intelligent player - a much overlooked asset in the nba.
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6/6/2007  4:44 PM
Posted by TMS:

regarding Sweetney, yes he showed flashes of being a good player, just like many other young players are apt to do in spurts... but he was not consistent at all... he would just as easily follow up a double double with a 5 & 3 w/5 fouls type performance... this is what i'm talking about when i mention consistency... conditioning has absolutely everything to do w/a player's merit... you guys rag on Curry all the time for his lack of conditioning, but he's put up much more consistent #'s over his career than Sweetney has... look at a guy like Oliver Miller during his Phoenix days... he looked like a promising young C, but lack of conditioning & bad work ethic exposed him over the long haul... i personally don't care what a guy does in college or HS... until he proves himself at the NBA level, all it is is unfulfilled potential in my view... college stats are a good measure to judge potential, but that's as far as it goes... the actual player's quality is measured in achieved consistent production on the floor.

I wouldn't use Sweetney or Miller as a standard of judgment for any player. I'd hope that my 2nd round picks or even undrafted free agent signings turned out better than they did.
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6/6/2007  4:54 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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regarding Sweetney, yes he showed flashes of being a good player, just like many other young players are apt to do in spurts... but he was not consistent at all... he would just as easily follow up a double double with a 5 & 3 w/5 fouls type performance... this is what i'm talking about when i mention consistency... conditioning has absolutely everything to do w/a player's merit... you guys rag on Curry all the time for his lack of conditioning, but he's put up much more consistent #'s over his career than Sweetney has... look at a guy like Oliver Miller during his Phoenix days... he looked like a promising young C, but lack of conditioning & bad work ethic exposed him over the long haul... i personally don't care what a guy does in college or HS... until he proves himself at the NBA level, all it is is unfulfilled potential in my view... college stats are a good measure to judge potential, but that's as far as it goes... the actual player's quality is measured in achieved consistent production on the floor.

Curry has superior talent to Sweetney. So no player should be view as a sure thing. Ala Oden or Durant. So why are being so hard on Randolph right now. Can the guy have more than 5 minutes in the league before we write about his NBA failures.

Agreed. Going back to the original point, Curry is more talented than Sweetney. That's not really a comparison. Also, aside from scoring in the post, what does Curry do better than most NBA players? If the notion is that Curry is more talented than Sweetney, I agree. If the notion is that Curry is better conditioned than Sweetney, I agree. If the notion is that this is a reasonable point of comparison to compare Eddy "The Next Shaq" Curry to Mike "We're Hoping for 16 and 9" Sweetney on any level, especially expectations, I highly disagree. As for Randolph, I just haven't seen enough of him to judge. Hopefully he turns out good. I think it was a saavy move by Isiah; I can't knock him for that one.
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6/6/2007  5:20 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:

regarding Sweetney, yes he showed flashes of being a good player, just like many other young players are apt to do in spurts... but he was not consistent at all... he would just as easily follow up a double double with a 5 & 3 w/5 fouls type performance... this is what i'm talking about when i mention consistency... conditioning has absolutely everything to do w/a player's merit... you guys rag on Curry all the time for his lack of conditioning, but he's put up much more consistent #'s over his career than Sweetney has... look at a guy like Oliver Miller during his Phoenix days... he looked like a promising young C, but lack of conditioning & bad work ethic exposed him over the long haul... i personally don't care what a guy does in college or HS... until he proves himself at the NBA level, all it is is unfulfilled potential in my view... college stats are a good measure to judge potential, but that's as far as it goes... the actual player's quality is measured in achieved consistent production on the floor.

Curry has superior talent to Sweetney. So no player should be view as a sure thing. Ala Oden or Durant. So why are being so hard on Randolph right now. Can the guy have more than 5 minutes in the league before we write about his NBA failures.

did you see me anywhere in this thread being hard on Morris? i said we need to temper our expectations... just because the guy puts up stats in college doesn't mean he's going to put them up in the NBA... relax.
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6/6/2007  5:23 PM
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Agreed. Going back to the original point, Curry is more talented than Sweetney. That's not really a comparison. Also, aside from scoring in the post, what does Curry do better than most NBA players? If the notion is that Curry is more talented than Sweetney, I agree. If the notion is that Curry is better conditioned than Sweetney, I agree. If the notion is that this is a reasonable point of comparison to compare Eddy "The Next Shaq" Curry to Mike "We're Hoping for 16 and 9" Sweetney on any level, especially expectations, I highly disagree. As for Randolph, I just haven't seen enough of him to judge. Hopefully he turns out good. I think it was a saavy move by Isiah; I can't knock him for that one.

when Sweetney was drafted people were comparing the kid to Elton Brand & Charles Barkley... so let's not skew this conversation with the "next Shaq" references to Curry if you're not going to use the same types of exaggerated expecations for Sweetney when he first got here.
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Sweetney's game was very similar to Brand's at G'Town. Sweets isn't one 1/10th of the physical shape that Elton has been in on the NBA level and that's why he's been a dissapointment. Slow and out of shape reduces stamina, gets him cheap fouls and keeps him off the floor.

I always saw Morris as a Magloire type. Big, reasonably talented, but nothing too special. But he has a the potential to have a lot of value for a team.
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6/6/2007  5:50 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Sweetney's game was very similar to Brand's at G'Town. Sweets isn't one 1/10th of the physical shape that Elton has been in on the NBA level and that's why he's been a dissapointment. Slow and out of shape reduces stamina, gets him cheap fouls and keeps him off the floor.

I always saw Morris as a Magloire type. Big, reasonably talented, but nothing too special. But he has a the potential to have a lot of value for a team.

Elton Brand's improved on his skillset tremendously since he got into the league... Sweetney hasn't done jack to improve on his game, albeit he hasn't been given the playing time due to his poor conditioning obviously... this is why i say temper your expectations until you see how these guys actually translate to the NBA... you can have a pool of college level stars, but out of that pool some guys have what it takes to make it big in the NBA, but IMO most of them don't.
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