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MS
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6/4/2007  1:16 PM
Detroit Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
12.3 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.2 minutes
Lindsey Hunter
6-2 PG from Jackson State
4.9 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 14.3 minutes
Incoming
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 37.3 minutes
Jared Jeffries
6-11 SF from Indiana
4.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 23.8 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona

Even this one isn't terrible to get rid of two contracts
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6/4/2007  1:27 PM
Posted by TheGame:

THe problem is we would probably have to give up Frye to get Wallace. Detroit is going to want something, unless they are willing to trade our headache (Francis) for their headache (Wallace) straight up.


Interesting idea- they might have to let Billups walk. Do they take Francis/Frye+ no.23 for Rasheed/Filler?
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6/4/2007  1:30 PM
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Posted by tomverve:

Rasheed is going to be 33 in September. It makes sense for a title contender to try to get him. Doesn't make sense for us.
I agree. There's no point in us getting him. If we do get him, I sure hope he plays behind Lee.

Bonn, you have officially lost it. Play behind Lee? Are you kidding? I love Lee but what has Lee done in his short NBA career to make you think that Rasheed Wallace should have to play behind him. Think about it before you post. The guy has been an all-star, played on a championship team and now he has to play second fiddle to a guy who in his best season to date was not a real contender for sixth man of the year. I know you were kidding but you made it sound convincing.
I don't know why you want to bench a blossoming young double-double guy for a veteran with rapidly declining skills. Rasheed looks like a head case role player who no longer excels in any areas of the game. Who cares if he was an all-star? So was Penny Hardaway. Should we get him and play him ahead of all our Gs and Fs? And if you're saying I just lost it, I'll take it as a compliment that you thought so highly of me previously.
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6/4/2007  1:30 PM
Smart player, good competitor, terrible 'tude, absolutely can't stand his game. Tomnerve is right. He's best suited for a title contender, NOT a rebuilding team, or a supposed rebuilding team. He'd kill everything here.
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6/4/2007  1:31 PM
I wouldn't even do Frye for Rasheed straight up... not because Frye is a sure thing but at least he has a chance to get his career back on track or otherwise be a useful trade asset. Rasheed is just too much of an old man in NBA years. Two good years tops left before he's washed up. We're not going anywhere terribly important in two years.
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6/4/2007  1:45 PM
I like the idea of including Crawford and/or Jeffries in the trade, making this a salary-clearing move as much as anything else.

One thing you think about while watching the playoffs...you don't really know what you have until you have seen them perform in the post-season. Rasheed (declining skills and all) next to Curry gets you there and becomes an important learning experience for a team some of us are hoping will get a chance to grow together.
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6/4/2007  1:56 PM
I think if you add him we are a title contender as strange as it sounds if curry makes more of an effort on defense and isiah gives minutes to lee, balkman and collins

Collins/Francis
Marbury
Q/Balkman
Wallace/Lee
Curry

When you go small you could do steph, marty, balkman, lee, wallace, cleveland isn't that good they have lebron, gibson got hot and actually worked on his game during the season. And two years down the road

Collins
Q
Balkman
Lee
Curry

Plus cap space to play with
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6/4/2007  2:08 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

I like the idea of including Crawford and/or Jeffries in the trade, making this a salary-clearing move as much as anything else.

If the principles were something like Jamal and Jeffries then it's a no brainer. But realistically, for Detroit to bite they are going to want a better package than that. They could likely get a better package elsewhere, or if not, it wouldn't be the end of the world for them to hold onto Rasheed.
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6/4/2007  2:09 PM
Crawford, Nate (Chauncey loves Nate) and Randolph Morris for Sheed. No pick tho. With Sheed we will be in the playoffs. And if it doesnt work out...well he is only a short term solution and gives us more cap room in the end. Unfortunately we might need to throw Frye in this deal because Detroit frontline is aging. Webber is a free agent and Mcdyess has an opt out. Still we must DO THE DEED OF GETTING RASHEED.
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6/4/2007  2:12 PM
sheed in ny = sheed in portland

the sheed in detroit (for 1 1/2 seasons) is long gone.
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6/4/2007  2:14 PM
then we could just go for broke sending frye and jerome james and a pick to the kings for artest if they want a pick fine????

Marbury/Collins
Q/Francis
Artest/Balkman
Wallace/Lee
Curry/Rose

Its crazy enough it just might work......and it would give us the oppurtunity to get rid of some contracts
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6/4/2007  2:14 PM
then we could just go for broke sending frye and jerome james and a pick to the kings for artest if they want a pick fine????

Marbury/Collins
Q/Francis
Artest/Balkman
Wallace/Lee
Curry/Rose

Its crazy enough it just might work......and it would give us the oppurtunity to get rid of some contracts
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6/4/2007  2:15 PM
I dont care if we trade for Rasheed and waive him after one year. The goal is to get way under the cap come 2009. This allows us to get some of our contracts off the books. Zeke and Dumars are best friends and I can see them possibly getting a deal done.
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6/4/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I dont care if we trade for Rasheed and waive him after one year. The goal is to get way under the cap come 2009. This allows us to get some of our contracts off the books. Zeke and Dumars are best friends and I can see them possibly getting a deal done.

detroit has ZERO incentive to take on longer years in a deal.

look at it from their point of view...if they are going to trade sheed, for longer deals, it will be for a legit player (like zach). otherwise, trading sheed should signal blow up time, so longer deals are not what they are looking for.

if the pistons re-sign chauncy, then they probably won't trade sheed (especially not for some kids).
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6/4/2007  2:22 PM
Posted by MS:

then we could just go for broke sending frye and jerome james and a pick to the kings for artest if they want a pick fine????

Marbury/Collins
Q/Francis
Artest/Balkman
Wallace/Lee
Curry/Rose

Its crazy enough it just might work......and it would give us the oppurtunity to get rid of some contracts

Only way I want to see Artest wearing a Knick jersey is supporting us in the crowd. And even then he might punch an opposing teams fan. NO to Artest!
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6/4/2007  2:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I dont care if we trade for Rasheed and waive him after one year. The goal is to get way under the cap come 2009. This allows us to get some of our contracts off the books. Zeke and Dumars are best friends and I can see them possibly getting a deal done.

detroit has ZERO incentive to take on longer years in a deal.

look at it from their point of view...if they are going to trade sheed, for longer deals, it will be for a legit player (like zach). otherwise, trading sheed should signal blow up time, so longer deals are not what they are looking for.

if the pistons re-sign chauncy, then they probably won't trade sheed (especially not for some kids).

How old is Lindsey Hunter? 38 How old is Webber/Rasheed/Mcdyess/Davis? 34/33/33/109...Detriot does not want to rebuild from the draft because rookies are not guaranteed to be good NBA players. They are going to try to replenish some talented youth (i.e. Crawford, Nate, Frye) without losing their main pieces (Billups, Hamilton, Prince and Maxiell). I dont know if its just me but Billups looks feed up of playing with Rasheed. If it comes down to him signing or Rasheed staying, Rasheed is gone.
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6/4/2007  2:32 PM
I don't see portland taking him back do you?

And who is really out there that would want him, the bulls? No chance they add depth to the pistons and help them rebuild. The celts, possible....

Cross off
Atlanta, Philly, Charlotte, Orlando, Washington doesn't have the assets.....Denver?
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6/4/2007  2:36 PM
Posted by MS:

I don't see portland taking him back do you?

And who is really out there that would want him, the bulls? No chance they add depth to the pistons and help them rebuild. The celts, possible....

Cross off
Atlanta, Philly, Charlotte, Orlando, Washington doesn't have the assets.....Denver?

i don't think portland takes sheed, but if it's to dump contract, they'll make the deal then immediately release sheed. but that's probably not happening.

chauncy said he loves sheed and loves his emotion, that's what they gravitate to.

in all reality, i say dumars stands pat - re-signs chauncy and keeps sheed. it makes too much sense not to, especially considering they're still a top team in the east and a tweak here or there and they're back in the finals. building a long term sustained winner ain't easy, and they're still in that mix.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-04-2007 2:37 PM]
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6/4/2007  2:39 PM
I'd LOVE LOVE to have Sheed, but you can't **** with a young team by bringing in a potential headcase.

D'troit had Larry, Chauncy, Ben, and lots of vets to keep him in check.

We have like, headcases and Malik Rose.........and another headcase in Isiah.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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6/4/2007  2:44 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I'd LOVE LOVE to have Sheed, but you can't **** with a young team by bringing in a potential headcase.

D'troit had Larry, Chauncy, Ben, and lots of vets to keep him in check.

We have like, headcases and Malik Rose.........and another headcase in Isiah.

I dont see Sheed really messing up the Knicks. Look at Tayshaun Prince he has been mild mannered his whole NBA career. He didnt all of sudden turn gangsta as soon as Sheed became a Piston. I say if your character is strong then you can not be easily manipulated. As for Curry and Frye, I wouldnt mind seeing and little more Sheed in his personality. Only person I see Sheed possibly being detrimental too is Nate.


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