Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm for any Kobe trade that involves Eddy

Besides your man love for all things Eddy, what you need for Kobe to be succsssful is a strong inside post player.

Hate eddy for not being a shot blocker or rebounder, he is besides shaq the best post player in the NBA. Kobe can't do it alone.

Then we'll need to get a post player--one who doesn't kill his team because of his weaknesses in all other facets of the game

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm for any Kobe trade that involves Eddy

Besides your man love for all things Eddy, what you need for Kobe to be succsssful is a strong inside post player.

Hate eddy for not being a shot blocker or rebounder, he is besides shaq the best post player in the NBA. Kobe can't do it alone.

Then we'll need to get a post player--one who doesn't kill his team because of his weaknesses in all other facets of the game

Name 7 players in the NBA better than Curry in all facets of what you describe?

I'll make it easy, they don't exist after Shaq and Yao. SOme can play defense, but give you nothing offensively.

By all facets of the game, I mean in addition to scoring, hustle, rebounding, passing, shot-blocking, getting steals, help defense, man-to-man defense. Being good in any one of these eight skills doesn't compensate for being awful at the other seven. It actually makes the one thing you are good at useless.

Here's a better question than yours: Name seven players in the league who *aren't* better than Curry in these facets of the game!

You don't need to surround a guy like Kobe, Lebron, or Wade with the best low-post scorer in the league. Michael didn't have that. No one on the Pistons has that degree of low-post scoring effectiveness. You need someone who can merely be effective in the low post and draw some double teams and pass the ball out of the low post (and who doesn't kill his team in all other facets of the game).

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-06-2007 12:30 PM]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm for any Kobe trade that involves Eddy

Besides your man love for all things Eddy, what you need for Kobe to be succsssful is a strong inside post player.

Hate eddy for not being a shot blocker or rebounder, he is besides shaq the best post player in the NBA. Kobe can't do it alone.

Then we'll need to get a post player--one who doesn't kill his team because of his weaknesses in all other facets of the game

Name 7 players in the NBA better than Curry in all facets of what you describe?

I'll make it easy, they don't exist after Shaq and Yao. SOme can play defense, but give you nothing offensively.

By all facets of the game, I mean in addition to scoring, hustle, rebounding, passing, shot-blocking, getting steals, help defense, man-to-man defense. Being good in any one of these eight skills doesn't compensate for being awful at the other seven. It actually makes the one thing you are good at useless.

Here's a better question than yours: Name seven players in the league who *aren't* better than Curry in these facets of the game!

You don't need to surround a guy like Kobe, Lebron, or Wade with the best low-post scorer in the league. Michael didn't have that. No one on the Pistons has that degree of low-post scoring effectiveness. You need someone who can merely be effective in the low post and draw some double teams and pass the ball out of the low post (and who doesn't kill his team in all other facets of the game).
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-06-2007 12:30 PM]

bonn, michael didn't have that, but he did have bill who was a good offensive center and not really a good defender, but michael is the rare exception, plus he had pippen who argualby was the next best player in the league, what are the chances of having kobe and wade on the same team?

Anyway, answer this, how many teams double team a "serviceable" center when you have Kobe on the perimeter? huh? do you think that okafor, chandler Dlamebert are going to be doubled with kobe on the floor? hell they are never doubled, the difference, even with a great player like kobe on the floor, teams HAD to double shaq, they just had to, and the same goes with curry, he has to be doubled, either that or have him foul out your bigs while shooting 65% from the field.... This is easy to see, you can knock him for all the other things, but to continue to deny this and try to make it seem like him having 1 less block and 2 less rebounds per game than most feel is mitigating his effect on the offense is just ridiculous..

Getting a double team in itself is useless. Getting a double team and being able to pass out of it effectively is what matters. I'd take someone who draws half the double teams but actually can pass effectively out of it. Curry has given no indication that he can. Passing is a skill that is very rarely improved dramatically after the first six years.

Posted by Solace:

While I think Bonn is overexaggering a bit, I do tend to agree. Curry is terrible at passing out of the double team. Now, hopefully he will improve at this. Of all of his deficiencies, I think that may be the one he's most likely to improve on. That being said, him being poor at passing out of the post does cancel out a lot of his offensive strengths, because teams know if you double team once Curry gets the ball, you have a good chance at a turnover (Curry gave up the most turnovers in the league, I believe). This is compounded by the fact that if teams double Curry, the Knicks don't have any great shooters, so it's a reasonable risk.

That being said, if Curry played solid defense and improved on passing, I'd be very happy with him. As of right now, I'm quite disappointed.

Posted by PresIke:

tkf, trying to have a rational discussion with Bonn about Curry is like trying to have a rational conversation with Bush about Iraq.