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OT: Kobe "Bring Back Jerry West or Trade Me"
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5/28/2007  1:52 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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I'm not calling him a loser I'm calling him out for the Fraud and Cancer that he is. The incident when he decided not to shoot, he went a whole half with none or just 1 shot attempt against the Kings. It was with the 2003-2004 team, Payton and Malone were on it. After that game one of his teammates(unidentified) commented that he "should not be forgiven" for doing that. Kome then following those comments gave a profanity laced tirade at his teammates during practice demanding to know who said those things. No teammate admitted but most Laker Fans say it was Fisher. He then shot too much during the Lakers last Finals appearance, with the HOF'ers, and while Shaq was totally dominating Detroit's front court. He gets no sympathy for now not knowing how much to shoot or when he should pass because he is responible for the current lottery roster that surrounds him. As you pointed out he could have left and played on a more well balanced team with the Clippers or Suns. He wanted his own team, it turns out he's a terrible leader and a great second banana. And if we're going to play the apology game with Kome then we need to be fair and do it with Marbury and every other talented player that's played on mediocre to bad teams.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 9:45 PM]


You had a better post before you edited the end. Kobe doesn't need me as an apologist, he's got 3 rings and he's been carrying a lousy team to the playoffs since Shaq left. That's pure fact and it's not something that can be said of Marbury and those caliber players. I obviously have no mercy for Kobe choosing the Lakers over other teams and expecting instant success, that's foolish of him.

But you seem to be doing the apologist routine for Shaq. He's the one who bailed on a successful Orlando team, he had issues with many before Kobe (Penny, Jones, Van Exel), he set the Lakers on a course for disfunction by declaring them his team and then showing up out of condition, giving himself foot problems, and leaving Kobe to carry them for large stretches. Since it was Shaq's team you'd think he'd do everything to make peace with Kobe to keep a winning formula intact, but instead he chose to "save face" by demanding an exorbitant early extension to let everyone know his own ego came first.

I don't see either of these guys as good leaders, they probably couldn't get along because they were too similar.



Blue stop turning every Kome debate into Kome vs Shaq. You know good and well what the issue is. How can a player who had more of an advantage winning with 2003-2004 roster weasel his way into having that roster depleted so he can have his own team and then when it doesn't work point fingers? Is Kome different than any other spoiled egomaniac jock? People want to talk about how bad his roster is blah blah, well every lone star team usually isn't that good. He needs to accept a good portion of the blame as to why they aren't contenders. Is Kome the best basketball player on the planet Yep! Is he a lousy leader, horrible teammate, and motivator Yep! If Phil is the greatest coach of our generation and he states Kome is a very uncoachable player in a team structure, what has proven to be the result?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-28-2007 12:31 AM]


You brought Shaq up twice before I responded. You seem more than happy to bring Shaq up, you just don't want him to take his share of the blame.
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5/28/2007  2:55 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't hate Kobe the way some do, but I must say, he is naive for thinking things would be otherwise in LA. He had the option to play with Brand, or with Amare and Marion, but somehow he thought that hanging with Smush and co. would yield better results? Not too swift.


THat's why people like me hate Kobe Bryant. He went with the Lakers because he really thinks he's good enough to do it all by himself. I'm pretty sure it was calculated. And, oh, there's the fact he got 440 mil more to stay with the Lakers than go to a team with a shot of winning it all but we'll save that discussion for a different day.
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5/28/2007  3:23 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
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I'm not calling him a loser I'm calling him out for the Fraud and Cancer that he is. The incident when he decided not to shoot, he went a whole half with none or just 1 shot attempt against the Kings. It was with the 2003-2004 team, Payton and Malone were on it. After that game one of his teammates(unidentified) commented that he "should not be forgiven" for doing that. Kome then following those comments gave a profanity laced tirade at his teammates during practice demanding to know who said those things. No teammate admitted but most Laker Fans say it was Fisher. He then shot too much during the Lakers last Finals appearance, with the HOF'ers, and while Shaq was totally dominating Detroit's front court. He gets no sympathy for now not knowing how much to shoot or when he should pass because he is responible for the current lottery roster that surrounds him. As you pointed out he could have left and played on a more well balanced team with the Clippers or Suns. He wanted his own team, it turns out he's a terrible leader and a great second banana. And if we're going to play the apology game with Kome then we need to be fair and do it with Marbury and every other talented player that's played on mediocre to bad teams.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-27-2007 9:45 PM]


You had a better post before you edited the end. Kobe doesn't need me as an apologist, he's got 3 rings and he's been carrying a lousy team to the playoffs since Shaq left. That's pure fact and it's not something that can be said of Marbury and those caliber players. I obviously have no mercy for Kobe choosing the Lakers over other teams and expecting instant success, that's foolish of him.

But you seem to be doing the apologist routine for Shaq. He's the one who bailed on a successful Orlando team, he had issues with many before Kobe (Penny, Jones, Van Exel), he set the Lakers on a course for disfunction by declaring them his team and then showing up out of condition, giving himself foot problems, and leaving Kobe to carry them for large stretches. Since it was Shaq's team you'd think he'd do everything to make peace with Kobe to keep a winning formula intact, but instead he chose to "save face" by demanding an exorbitant early extension to let everyone know his own ego came first.

I don't see either of these guys as good leaders, they probably couldn't get along because they were too similar.



Blue stop turning every Kome debate into Kome vs Shaq. You know good and well what the issue is. How can a player who had more of an advantage winning with 2003-2004 roster weasel his way into having that roster depleted so he can have his own team and then when it doesn't work point fingers? Is Kome different than any other spoiled egomaniac jock? People want to talk about how bad his roster is blah blah, well every lone star team usually isn't that good. He needs to accept a good portion of the blame as to why they aren't contenders. Is Kome the best basketball player on the planet Yep! Is he a lousy leader, horrible teammate, and motivator Yep! If Phil is the greatest coach of our generation and he states Kome is a very uncoachable player in a team structure, what has proven to be the result?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-28-2007 12:31 AM]


You brought Shaq up twice before I responded. You seem more than happy to bring Shaq up, you just don't want him to take his share of the blame.


No I was just revisiting the roster he had and the events that transpired that led to this. Shaq didn't help matters everyone knows this, but Kobe engineered the present Lakers.
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5/28/2007  5:58 AM
I wonder if Kobe has any reason to think that Jerry West wants to go back to the Lakers.
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5/28/2007  6:54 AM
Posted by Ira:

I wonder if Kobe has any reason to think that Jerry West wants to go back to the Lakers.

That's a good question. Why would Kobe say this unless he thought West wanted to come back rather than retire? Maybe Kobe has already talked to West and this is the beginning of his power move.
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5/28/2007  7:01 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Ira:

I wonder if Kobe has any reason to think that Jerry West wants to go back to the Lakers.

That's a good question. Why would Kobe say this unless he thought West wanted to come back rather than retire? Maybe Kobe has already talked to West and this is the beginning of his power move.

I was thinking that as well. I don't think West is so ready for retirement as he is just ready to leave Memphis. He seem still lively enough telling anyone who was willing to listen about his thoughts on the the NBA lottery system.
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5/28/2007  10:22 AM
I mind as well get it out of the way now....


New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.4 minutes

Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 37.3 minutes

Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
9.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.4 minutes

Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
4.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.7 minutes

David Lee
6-9 SF from Florida
10.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 29.8 minutes

2007 Draft #23 Pick
0-0 from
No games yet played in 2006/07
Incoming

Kobe Bryant
6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -14.1 ppg, -20.4 rpg, and -3.4 apg.

Successful Scenario
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[Edited by - joec32033 on 28 May 2007 10:23]
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5/28/2007  11:14 AM
I don't get his position about going to a contender, I mean I'm no genius but wouldn't any contender trading for him have to give up the very talent that makes them a contender in the first place?
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5/28/2007  2:36 PM
Posted by Ira:

I wonder if Kobe has any reason to think that Jerry West wants to go back to the Lakers.

If anyone listened to his Podcast Interview with Dan Patrick he sounded as if Kome has been the problem and that Kome needs to change.


Listen to this interview and tell me what vibe you get from Jerry


http://espn-mp3-od.andomedia.com/espnpod2/espnradio/insider/patrick/patrick_05032007_8.mp3
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5/28/2007  3:12 PM
He is like a wickedly souped up Crawford.

But still waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than Crawford non the less.
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5/28/2007  3:16 PM
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Being reported by Ric Bucher ESPN News...... You think we have a shot at him.....

Well kobe was mega pissed that he wasn't allowed to play at msg last year cuz of that elbow he threw. I think kobe would love to be a knick.

As far as the lakers, will they hold a grudge and not respect a kobes trade request? Will they trade him to who they felt like or would they just say **** you and make him stay?

I wouldn't mind kobe on the knicks but I also wouldn't mind him passing a little more than he does. He is like a wickedly souped up Crawford.

It's actually a good move on Kobe's part. Asking for West back is a very good move. Jerry's out there, we're not getting him, because Thomas wants it all. And you can basically forget about Kobe, because your all forgetting one thing. 'We have no money'! You want him to play for free?! Another long line example of Knick stupidness! Thanks for trashing the future GM's!
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5/28/2007  5:05 PM
Somewhat of a coincidence that Kobe frustration talk has resurfaced as we get deeper into the playoffs. He already informed us that he was very irritated a few weeks back but let's keep the drama going and take some of the spotlight away amidst the Conference Finals. What an ATTENTION WHORE!
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5/28/2007  5:53 PM
But then again, he's at the age were he knows this is his last hurrah to win it all once or twice more. He needs to start thinking about either forcing management to make things better or otherwise, move on. He has another three or four good years left in him and I don't blame him for making waves at this point.
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5/28/2007  6:07 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Somewhat of a coincidence that Kobe frustration talk has resurfaced as we get deeper into the playoffs. He already informed us that he was very irritated a few weeks back but let's keep the drama going and take some of the spotlight away amidst the Conference Finals. What an ATTENTION WHORE!

I envy you. It's as fun having players to hate as it is to love. I haven't had either in far too long... other than Marbury, of course.

I gotta get my hate up again, it's just so hard when my team is irrelevant. Knicks need a rivalry in the worse way, and I don't mean to challenge for the bottom of the division.

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5/28/2007  9:44 PM
If Bus decides to shake things up and goes into win-now mode to placate Kobe, would he make Bynum available?
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5/29/2007  10:12 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Somewhat of a coincidence that Kobe frustration talk has resurfaced as we get deeper into the playoffs. He already informed us that he was very irritated a few weeks back but let's keep the drama going and take some of the spotlight away amidst the Conference Finals. What an ATTENTION WHORE!

I envy you. It's as fun having players to hate as it is to love. I haven't had either in far too long... other than Marbury, of course.

I gotta get my hate up again, it's just so hard when my team is irrelevant. Knicks need a rivalry in the worse way, and I don't mean to challenge for the bottom of the division.


It's not hard having no sympathy for Kome Cryant. I guess it's ok for every Top 10 player from this point on out to start bitching and moaning through the press how management has failed them. Kome has yet to accept responsibility for any of his actions on or off the court. He's a very low character athlete.
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5/29/2007  10:21 AM
L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kobe Bryant
6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
Incoming
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
19.5 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 35.2 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 37.3 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
9.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.4 minutes



Then call paxson, and then send him to the bulls for thomas and deng and their draft selection......

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Lee
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5/29/2007  11:33 AM
Posted by Ira:

If Bus decides to shake things up and goes into win-now mode to placate Kobe, would he make Bynum available?

They should have given up Bynum for Kidd when they had the chance (then we would've made the playoffs ).

If they try to go after Kidd again, Thorn is just going to raise the price tag. A lot.

I knw Andrew Bynum is only 20 or so, but Kidd basically fell in their lap and Kupchak and the Busses balked. It's almost as bad as them giving up Caron Butler for Kwame Brown.
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5/29/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:
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Somewhat of a coincidence that Kobe frustration talk has resurfaced as we get deeper into the playoffs. He already informed us that he was very irritated a few weeks back but let's keep the drama going and take some of the spotlight away amidst the Conference Finals. What an ATTENTION WHORE!

I envy you. It's as fun having players to hate as it is to love. I haven't had either in far too long... other than Marbury, of course.

I gotta get my hate up again, it's just so hard when my team is irrelevant. Knicks need a rivalry in the worse way, and I don't mean to challenge for the bottom of the division.


It's not hard having no sympathy for Kome Cryant. I guess it's ok for every Top 10 player from this point on out to start bitching and moaning through the press how management has failed them. Kome has yet to accept responsibility for any of his actions on or off the court. He's a very low character athlete.

Not to say that I find it okay, but nor do I find it unusual. Name me the top ten players, then look at the ones who's team have no shot, and we can see how many of them bitch. KG, Kidd, JO, Iverson on Philly, etc, to name a few.
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5/29/2007  12:46 PM
Kobe said he never said that, and you guys are still arguing.

Haters in full effect.
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