Weak spot on the team
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Ira
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5/25/2007 5:32 AM
Artest isn't that guy. He's a pain to every coach he's ever played for. He doesn't follow team rules. If you think we could use an intimidator, I won't argue with that. It helps having a player like Oakley or Kurt Thomas. But Artest has been trouble wherever he's been - more for the team he's played for than the teams he's played against.
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arkrud
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5/25/2007 9:53 AM
Posted by Ira: We know drama!!! "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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Pharzeone
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5/25/2007 10:21 AM
Posted by Ira: Its funny but when Ron Ron was actually on his best behavior Isiah was coaching him. He liked playing for Isiah but Thomas didn't like coaching him (called it stressful). I think Ron Artest could actually help this team. I rather have him and Balkman at my SF position then VC and Q. I fought the idea of bringing Ron to NY because it would be too much for him (the guy is always hanging out in Queens anyway) but the Knicks need to get good veteran help to advance. I wouldn't give up any young guys to get him either. Q or Crawford would work. If you are going to draft another shooter than one of those guys should be available to move. (side note, I actually know Ron and he isn't as bad as it seems but I will agree trouble has followed him). I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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djsunyc
Posts: 44929 Alba Posts: 42 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #536 |
5/27/2007 2:47 PM
marbury is at the tail end of his prime (possibly past it).
crawford in his early prime. he has a 5 year window right now to really take a major step forward. the question right now is whether he can remove the "un" in "untapped potential." nate is for all intent and purposes, being totally misused. but let's face it, he has a long way to go in the mental aspect, not only in bball but just in general. mardy has shown flashes - but so did frank williams. i don't think anybody can sit back and say "well, at least we found our future starting pg..." |
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Silverfuel
Posts: 31750 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 6/27/2002 Member: #268 USA |
5/27/2007 3:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:agreed. There is no way mardy is a starting point guard. he could turn into one 2 years from now but right now he is at that frank williams stage. i hate to say this but maybe, just maybe, marcus williams was the right thing to do. especially since having jared jeffries for big money makes playing balkman impossible. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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JohnWallace44
Posts: 25119 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 6/14/2005 Member: #910 USA |
5/27/2007 3:24 PM
[/quote] agreed. There is no way mardy is a starting point guard. he could turn into one 2 years from now but right now he is at that frank williams stage. i hate to say this but maybe, just maybe, marcus williams was the right thing to do. especially since having jared jeffries for big money makes playing balkman impossible. [/quote] The money thing doesn't mean anything to this team. Does Jerome play beacause of the money? Did Penny? Did Rose? Did the other Rose? Did Francis? If Balkman is better, he'll play. I'd like to see Mardy get the opportunity to play with the full team. When he played down the stretch, all of the outside shooters were injured and his shooting issues were magnified. If Mardy plays with Craw and Q on the floor, the spacing is a lot better and allows him to use his driving ability. Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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Bonn1997
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5/27/2007 3:59 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:agreed. There is no way mardy is a starting point guard. he could turn into one 2 years from now but right now he is at that frank williams stage. i hate to say this but maybe, just maybe, marcus williams was the right thing to do. especially since having jared jeffries for big money makes playing balkman impossible. |
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Pharzeone
Posts: 32183 Alba Posts: 14 Joined: 2/11/2005 Member: #871 |
5/27/2007 5:39 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:Posted by djsunyc:agreed. There is no way mardy is a starting point guard. he could turn into one 2 years from now but right now he is at that frank williams stage. i hate to say this but maybe, just maybe, marcus williams was the right thing to do. especially since having jared jeffries for big money makes playing balkman impossible. News flash, Marcus Williams wasn't that much better than Mardy. Also wouldn't Williams have the same problem if he was drafted here. He has Marbury, Francis, Crawford and Nate in front of him. I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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Silverfuel
Posts: 31750 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 6/27/2002 Member: #268 USA |
5/27/2007 7:59 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:true, & marcus is trouble in the locker room so he would just add to the bad attitude.Posted by Silverfuel:Posted by djsunyc:agreed. There is no way mardy is a starting point guard. he could turn into one 2 years from now but right now he is at that frank williams stage. i hate to say this but maybe, just maybe, marcus williams was the right thing to do. especially since having jared jeffries for big money makes playing balkman impossible. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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BlueSeats
Posts: 27272 Alba Posts: 41 Joined: 11/6/2005 Member: #1024 |
5/27/2007 10:11 PM
Posted by Pharzeone: Isn't it a weird situation when anyone 6'5 or under gets considered a "guard", none of which are good enough to own a position. Even Marbury, even at this stage if his career, is often considered better suited to the SG position. As such, how will we ever fill our need for a perimeter shooter if every prospect will have to play behind Marbury, Crawford, Nate, Collins, Francis, Frye, Balkman, Jeffries, Lee, etc? |
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nixluva
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5/28/2007 12:53 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:Posted by Pharzeone: If we add a TRULY good perimeter shooter, then he's gonna play. We've only had the young players we have now for at most 2 or less years. You make it sound like this is some long standing, on going situation. IF they come in and are clearly better, my bet is that they'd play. Mardy looked shaky early but when he got a 2nd chance later he was much better. Balkman eventually made the most of his appearances and has won isiah over. If he comes back with a jumper he's gonna play a lot. Frye was given a chance to try and get his game in gear and since he was our top pick I can understand isiah wanting to see if he could get him going. He's no good to us if we can't get him going and reaching his potential or at least get his value back up for a trade. |
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BlueSeats
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5/28/2007 1:04 AM
Posted by nixluva:Posted by BlueSeats:Posted by Pharzeone: I'm speaking primarily of a draft pick, since that was the status of Marcus Williams. Isiah putting age, status, or contract first is nothing new. For the shooter to get PT I think he'd have to be expensive. |
Weak spot on the team