Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Rich:

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Posted by nixluva:

I'm sure that as KNICK FANS, we're all happy to see that the mistake by Isiah to leave the picks unprotected didn't result in any real loss of a franchise player. I love Brandon, but this years #9 isn't likely to net a player that will set the NBA on fire for the next 10 years. Curry is IMO a lock to be more impactful than any of the guys we could've gotten. As good as Brandon is, it's the presence of Oden that will likely give the Blazers a chance to be a title contender.

We have Curry and he's capable of playing on a high level. We have to keep refining this roster and putting together a team that can be a serious threat to win the ECF. I think it's time for us to start to focus on the things we can do WITH CURRY and stop picking at him so much. There are things this team can do to make this move stick and benefit the franchise. As i've said and many others as well, we can look to augment his game with a PF who does the things he doesn't do as well. All the while working with CUrry to improve his all around game. I don't think this team is in bad shape at all. I like what we have so far and I hope we can add to this and make it even better this summer.

Everything you post is laid on with thick glaze of homerism and often premature. Your kids need to tuck you into bed anyway so you can start early on dreaming how you're going to defend and protect our FRAUDS tomorrow.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-22-2007 10:44 PM]

Everything you post is based on an irrational and obsessive hate of Isiah.

Can you even explain how anyone can have an IRRATIONAL hate of ISAYUGH?

Just recall your post when you used racial epithets.

Dude calling someone a name out of frustration does define the standards on which you dislike them. Their actions do. Keep spinning on the BOZACK

You are in deep denial.

In denial of what? That I called him an inappropriate name on a message board? LOL @ your Lancelot Act in honor of ISAYUGH!

The issue was much bigger than one man, and yes, I will always stand up against intolerance, even when the ethnic group implicated isn't one to which I belong.

The current issue was irrational hate. The case has been proven.

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Posted by nixluva:

I'm sure that as KNICK FANS, we're all happy to see that the mistake by Isiah to leave the picks unprotected didn't result in any real loss of a franchise player. I love Brandon, but this years #9 isn't likely to net a player that will set the NBA on fire for the next 10 years. Curry is IMO a lock to be more impactful than any of the guys we could've gotten. As good as Brandon is, it's the presence of Oden that will likely give the Blazers a chance to be a title contender.

We have Curry and he's capable of playing on a high level. We have to keep refining this roster and putting together a team that can be a serious threat to win the ECF. I think it's time for us to start to focus on the things we can do WITH CURRY and stop picking at him so much. There are things this team can do to make this move stick and benefit the franchise. As i've said and many others as well, we can look to augment his game with a PF who does the things he doesn't do as well. All the while working with CUrry to improve his all around game. I don't think this team is in bad shape at all. I like what we have so far and I hope we can add to this and make it even better this summer.

Everything you post is laid on with thick glaze of homerism and often premature. Your kids need to tuck you into bed anyway so you can start early on dreaming how you're going to defend and protect our FRAUDS tomorrow.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-22-2007 10:44 PM]

Everything you post is based on an irrational and obsessive hate of Isiah.

Can you even explain how anyone can have an IRRATIONAL hate of ISAYUGH?

Just recall your post when you used racial epithets.

Dude calling someone a name out of frustration does define the standards on which you dislike them. Their actions do. Keep spinning on the BOZACK

You are in deep denial.

In denial of what? That I called him an inappropriate name on a message board? LOL @ your Lancelot Act in honor of ISAYUGH!

The issue was much bigger than one man, and yes, I will always stand up against intolerance, even when the ethnic group implicated isn't one to which I belong.

The current issue was irrational hate. The case has been proven.

No it's about going over board with name calling and nothing more. Take your tired cymbal clashing posting somewhere else.

Posted by islesfan:

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You gotta be on drugs.

Do you doubt if he does show up in fantastic shape he can average 20 and 10?

And if he shows up 8 feet tall and 400 ripped lbs, he'd be able to average at least 20 and 10, but I don't see either happening.

What would make anybody believe differently? Past behavior is a good indicator of future behavior. Curry's past behavior shows a lack of work ethic and committment to come into camp in shape, without the help of illegal weight loss drugs that causes him to develop heart problems.

That's my evidence. What's yours?

Oh, I hope he shows up in great shape, but I wasn't suggesting he will. I was trying to figure out whether you believed he has the talent but is held back by his poor conditioning.

I do think we should keep in mind this was his "breakout" season, and supposedly he's more motivated and passionate than he's ever been. Interesting to see what that will translate into by the time training camp rolls around.

I think it's a matter of conditioning and desire. I don't think he suddenly finds either to be honest with you. I believe that his "breakout" season will have him feeling that he's already made it and that he can do exactly what he has been doing.

that's my real concern too. when TNT showed that interview between him and John Thompson, Thompson asked Eddy if he puts himself in the elite of centers, and he said yes. in a lot of his other interviews he's said the same thing too, it bothers me that he is kind of satisfied about where he is. some of it is isiah patting him on the back, some of it is just his lack of work ethic, some of it is not having anyone to tell him what he needs to hear. I'm waiting to see where exactly he is when the season starts, to see whether or not he really addressed his weaknesses. we should have a good idea a few games into the season.

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Posted by nixluva:

I'm sure that as KNICK FANS, we're all happy to see that the mistake by Isiah to leave the picks unprotected didn't result in any real loss of a franchise player. I love Brandon, but this years #9 isn't likely to net a player that will set the NBA on fire for the next 10 years. Curry is IMO a lock to be more impactful than any of the guys we could've gotten. As good as Brandon is, it's the presence of Oden that will likely give the Blazers a chance to be a title contender.

Some recent #9 overall picks:

Amare Stoudemire
Shawn Marion
Dirk Nowitzki
Tracy McGrady

Let's see who's available to the Bulls at #9 and how they develop before we judge anything with absolute certainty.

Let's not forget, we ALSO gave up a #2 overall pick.

So, let's see, a #2, a #9, a second rounder and Mike Sweetney for Eddy Curry and #23? Yes, that's still a steep price. We could've kept the 2006 pick if only Isiah had protected it. For all intents and purposes, even protecting a pick to 9 isn't unreasonable; we had a chance to keep this pick too, and instead owe them a later pick.

Tyrus Thomas is going to be good. Whoever the Bulls get at #9 is going to be good (Yi Jianlian is a possibility). If Eddy Curry plays the exact same as he did this year for his career, we lost this trade. If Curry shows something unexpected and does the unlikely, improving in almost all facets in the game (since he's lacking in almost all of then), then we *may* have won. Let's see.

In the fantasy scenario that the Bulls would ever consider undoing the trade, I'd trade Curry for the #9, Tyrus Thomas and the #23 (in place of Sweetney who we don't need since we'd have Lee and Thomas), in a heartbeat.

Posted by holfresh:

Eddy Curry will be an absolute beast next season...He will show up in fantastic shape averaging 20 pts 10 boards and 1 block in 38 mins...He will validate the fleecing pulled off by Isiah, leading the Knicks to the playoffs...Eddy is a good kid who wants to get better..I really see him putting in the work that will make him better in the offseason...What has to be scary from the Bulls point of view, thought they may not have been watching, was how he added little things to his game with seemingly ease, during the course of the season...This past season was important for him because he learned he can be a dominant and an unstoppable player at times...He struggled and was frustrated when he was doubled and triple teamed at times during the season...He was visibly upset and this is a very good thing...He was also visibly upset when Francis would not pass the ball in a timely manner, another good thing....Shows he cares and he wants to excel..

Let's face it, Isiah took a big gamble going after Curry...Looks like it's going to pay off if this kid takes his craft seriously...I'm confident he will...More effort on defense and better rebounding can turn this guy into a monster in the middle...To think we didn't have to get lucky with any ping pong balls to land this guy...Let's hope 2007/8 is a new beginning for this team and organization...

Go Knicks!!!

Hoping for the best but like nixluva said, its great to know Isiah not protecting the picks didn't mean we lost a franchise. That was a great relief and if Eddy can rebound and contest shots next season, this will be one of the best trades in recent Knick history.

Posted by bobs3304:

^ the best trade in knicks history was for pearl.


in recent history for camby and spree.


curry probly is a distant third, if that.

True, but one can argue that if Curry fulfills promise and does what this thread hopes he will do, the Curry trade was better than the Spree and Camby trade. If Curry can rebound and contest shots, he is the talent we can build around and it cost us Tyrus Thomas. Arguably second to the Pearl trade.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

I'm sure that as KNICK FANS, we're all happy to see that the mistake by Isiah to leave the picks unprotected didn't result in any real loss of a franchise player. I love Brandon, but this years #9 isn't likely to net a player that will set the NBA on fire for the next 10 years. Curry is IMO a lock to be more impactful than any of the guys we could've gotten. As good as Brandon is, it's the presence of Oden that will likely give the Blazers a chance to be a title contender.

Some recent #9 overall picks:

Amare Stoudemire
Shawn Marion
Dirk Nowitzki
Tracy McGrady

Let's see who's available to the Bulls at #9 and how they develop before we judge anything with absolute certainty.

Michael Sweetney...

Well lets deal with the original topic of the thread. Like Hol stated, now that we know all the variables the trade is actually a good one. Sure we can make an argument for good people that have been drafted at 9, but you can make that argument about good people drafted in the 2nd round or those that went undrafted, etc you get the point.

IT is silly for not protecting the picks and rolled the dice, he/we got lucky. I think Eddy is better than anything we could have got last year and this year. We needed a big man and we went and got one. Will he be a great player, well that still remains to be seen. I think he will be good consistent player, thus making the trade a good one to me.

Posted by holfresh:

Eddy Curry will be an absolute beast next season...He will show up in fantastic shape averaging 20 pts 10 boards and 1 block in 38 mins...He will validate the fleecing pulled off by Isiah, leading the Knicks to the playoffs...Eddy is a good kid who wants to get better..I really see him putting in the work that will make him better in the offseason...What has to be scary from the Bulls point of view, thought they may not have been watching, was how he added little things to his game with seemingly ease, during the course of the season...This past season was important for him because he learned he can be a dominant and an unstoppable player at times...He struggled and was frustrated when he was doubled and triple teamed at times during the season...He was visibly upset and this is a very good thing...He was also visibly upset when Francis would not pass the ball in a timely manner, another good thing....Shows he cares and he wants to excel..

Let's face it, Isiah took a big gamble going after Curry...Looks like it's going to pay off if this kid takes his craft seriously...I'm confident he will...More effort on defense and better rebounding can turn this guy into a monster in the middle...To think we didn't have to get lucky with any ping pong balls to land this guy...Let's hope 2007/8 is a new beginning for this team and organization...

Go Knicks!!!

Eddy Curry will be an absolute bast next season...He will show up in bad shape averaging 11 pts 6 boards and .3 block in 28 mins...He will validate the idiotism by Isiah, leading the Knicks to the nowhere ...Eddy was a good kid who don't know how to get better..I really don't see him putting in the work that will make him better in the offseason...What has to be injoeble from the Bulls point of view, thought they may not have been watching, was how he cannot add little things to his game even with effort, during the course of the season...This past season was catastrophic for him because he learned he can be a dominant and an unstoppable player at times and he started taking this for granted...He struggled and was frustrated when he was doubled and triple teamed at times during the season...He was visibly upset one or two times and this will be a very good thing if he can do this at least 3 or 4 times per season...He was also visibly upset when Francis would not pass the ball in a timely manner and shake his had but he was OK in 2 minutes, another strange thing....Shows he cares less and he wants to exit..

Let's face it, Isiah took a big gamble going after Curry...Looks like it's going to blow off in his face as this kid newer takes his craft seriously...I'm confident he will blow big time...Effort on defense and rebounding is not existent and it it no way this guy can became a monster in the middle...To think we didn't have to get lucky with any ping pong balls to land this guy is silly...Let's hope 2007/8 is a breaking point for Isiah and his team and new beginning for this team and organization when he will be gone...

Go Knicks!!!

[Edited by - arkrud on 05-23-2007 09:32 AM]

Talk to me in a few years when we can truly evaluate option a. All your basing on is a hunch. At least Curry has shown that he holds the ability to change the makeup of a team. You can rebuild through the draft all you want (see clippers) doesnt mean it will work.

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Posted by Michael6835:

Talk to me in a few years when we can truly evaluate option a. All your basing on is a hunch. At least Curry has shown that he holds the ability to change the makeup of a team. You can rebuild through the draft all you want (see clippers) doesnt mean it will work.

this is true. all trades, especially involving young players and/or picks, will take years to really tell how the deal worked out for both parties.

currently, this is what we do know, the bulls are continuing to win at least on the same level as before. that doesn't mean losing curry doesn't hurt them from possibly winning more, but they did not go into a tailspin.

meanwhile, we've added eddy and have yet to reap any tangible benefits from it.

at this point, eddy is our version of zach randolph (and currently, not as good).

They both look like Teddy Bears just different sizes.