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tkf
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5/21/2007  12:19 AM
speaking of folding, the yankees folded the mets ass tonight... with a rookie pitcher....
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5/21/2007  1:57 AM
Posted by tkf:

Delgado, alou, glavin, pedro are key cogs to the mets. Reyes is the best young player the mets have. David wright is Ok.. don't be fooled, the mets are a win now team, and they are not going to win.....

the mets are doing it without alou, pedro, and a good delgado. Wright is only ok? I guess a guy averaging over .900 OPS in his first 2 full years in the league is only ok. Reyes, Wright, Perez, Maine, Smith, Gomez, Beltran, Heilman. those are the key cogs. yes they have veterans and youth, they are built for win now and win in the future.


[Edited by - jaydh on 05-21-2007 02:04 AM]
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5/21/2007  1:59 AM
Posted by tkf:

speaking of folding, the yankees folded the mets ass tonight... with a rookie pitcher....

yanks are bound to win sooner or later, they are still old, overpaid, underperforming, clutch-disappearing garbage.
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5/21/2007  3:43 AM
Isn't it nice knowing that if the Yankees don't get their acts in gear this year and the season ends up being a disappointment, there will be major changes and steps taken to correct that? The perks of having an owner with a head on his shoulders.
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5/21/2007  7:43 AM
Clippard looks promising. It's crazy how he sometimes falls to the left and sometimes to the right after his pitches.
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5/21/2007  8:35 AM
In a weird way, the Yankees losing this season would be the blessing that some have secretely hoped for. The big problem with the Yankees has been the adding payroll when the idea should've been to add youth. While I don't think this team is out of it, when they won all the championships it was with a combination of youth, veteran leadership, and professionals. The team over the last 5 or 6 years, I felt like the professional swager has been lost at times and they've had guys on the team who don't really fit the team. Maybe losing is the only way to correct that. I don't think they need major changes, just to go a little further, swapping out some vets for high ceiling youth.

Trading Sheff and RJ this past offseason was a nice start. I think they're a few vet for youth trades away from really being in good footing. As bad as the pitching has been this season, there's also more young promise than previous seasons.
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5/21/2007  8:41 AM
Trading Sheff and RJ this past offseason was a nice start.
I agree with everything else you said but I think the team would be significantly better right now if it had Sheff instead of Abreu.
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5/21/2007  9:36 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Trading Sheff and RJ this past offseason was a nice start.
I agree with everything else you said but I think the team would be significantly better right now if it had Sheff instead of Abreu.

That's a different scenario. Sheff went because of personality issues and age, and we got back some NICE young players in return. I thought that was an excellent trade. I'm not that fond of Abreu, I think he's overrated. But I do think he gives the team some serious threats. The big problem with Abreu, IMHO, he was likely on steroids and isn't anymore, so he's no longer a home run hitter. I'm not sure I would've traded for Abreu in Cashman's situation; instead would've just kept the kids. I think we gave up some pretty good prospects for Abreu, also, so I wasn't in love with the trade. It was a bit of starphucking.
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5/21/2007  12:59 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Trading Sheff and RJ this past offseason was a nice start.
I agree with everything else you said but I think the team would be significantly better right now if it had Sheff instead of Abreu.

No doubt. Everyone was applauding Cashman for moving Sheff. I was like this guy is a clutch guy in situations like this and now we know why Abreu was so available for the Yankees. The guy is a stat guy but everytime the Phillies needed him to pull them out of a patch like this he would go on a cold streak. It has continue with the Yankees. As a Yankee fan I am sadden by this crap but I am also smirking about all the Cashman supporters. Where is Fish? BTW, those pitchers that Cashman have nagging injury issues as reported when they were acquired and pointed out everytime on Yes. Meanwhile Sheff is helping the Tigers stay afloat in the Central. Nice.
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5/21/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Trading Sheff and RJ this past offseason was a nice start.
I agree with everything else you said but I think the team would be significantly better right now if it had Sheff instead of Abreu.

That's a different scenario. Sheff went because of personality issues and age, and we got back some NICE young players in return.
I think we could have gotten nice prospects if he had offered Abreu instead. And Sheff's personality issues seem minimal and don't interfere with winning. As to age, Abreu looks a lot older than Sheffield!
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Trading Sheff and RJ this past offseason was a nice start.
I agree with everything else you said but I think the team would be significantly better right now if it had Sheff instead of Abreu.

That's a different scenario. Sheff went because of personality issues and age, and we got back some NICE young players in return.
I think we could have gotten nice prospects if he had offered Abreu instead. And Sheff's personality issues seem minimal and don't interfere with winning. As to age, Abreu looks a lot older than Sheffield!

I would be fine having neither. I don't think we needed Abreu; I think we needed to rebuild the outfield instead of finding a stopgap starphuck solution. I'm not a fan of either one. Sheff is better at this point, I'll agree. I'd rather just go younger than either one of them.
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5/21/2007  3:01 PM
There isnt an organization in MLB that has better pitching in the minor leagues than the Yankees. With guys like Clippard and Hughes you are starting to see it. Keep watching amigo. Add Wang, Cano, Melky to that and they are just fine. You can buy position players... I wouldnt trade their farm system for anything right now.
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5/21/2007  4:11 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by tkf:

Delgado, alou, glavin, pedro are key cogs to the mets. Reyes is the best young player the mets have. David wright is Ok.. don't be fooled, the mets are a win now team, and they are not going to win.....

the mets are doing it without alou, pedro, and a good delgado. Wright is only ok? I guess a guy averaging over .900 OPS in his first 2 full years in the league is only ok. Reyes, Wright, Perez, Maine, Smith, Gomez, Beltran, Heilman. those are the key cogs. yes they have veterans and youth, they are built for win now and win in the future.


[Edited by - jaydh on 05-21-2007 02:04 AM]

you keep talking old, but forget to add that jeter and A-rod are around the same age as beltran. the yanks have cano who is only 24 and an allstar also, melky has proven to be a solid core player and a great defensive outfielder, then you have wang, who is better than any young pitcher you guys have, we have hughes and a minor league full of good young pitchers and a couple of stud position propects, one being that Tabata kid.... outsie of reyes and wright(who I am not that high on) you mentioned a lot of marginal talent, maine is a mirage, as is his record, I was not that impressed with him, heilman? come on man....... You talk about old as if shawn green, Do luca, delgado, glavine, valentine, easley, alou, are not old and hell you even have 48 year old franco on that team, and the key is, most of these older guys I mentioned are at this point key players on your team, with good money tied into them.... so you are not fooling anyone with this, you are old and we are not bit.....
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5/21/2007  4:12 PM
Posted by fishmike:

There isnt an organization in MLB that has better pitching in the minor leagues than the Yankees. With guys like Clippard and Hughes you are starting to see it. Keep watching amigo. Add Wang, Cano, Melky to that and they are just fine. You can buy position players... I wouldnt trade their farm system for anything right now.

I agree..
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5/21/2007  9:41 PM
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Posted by Solace:

Mets fans are the worst and most bitter fans in all of sports. Case in point. The Mets are better, enjoy it, stop focusing on the Yankees. Sometimes I think Mets fans get more pleasure out of the Yankees losing than their own team winning. Pathetic.

Better dig in those spikes brother--the Mets are going to be on top for a LONNNNGGGG time.

i think i've heard the same BS every year since '86... you guys haven't won a championship in over 20 years... probably should win a few before you talk smack.

difference between Mut fans & Yankee fans... Mut fans celebrate in May... Yankee fans celebrate in October.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Solace:

Mets fans are the worst and most bitter fans in all of sports. Case in point. The Mets are better, enjoy it, stop focusing on the Yankees. Sometimes I think Mets fans get more pleasure out of the Yankees losing than their own team winning. Pathetic.

Better dig in those spikes brother--the Mets are going to be on top for a LONNNNGGGG time.

i think i've heard the same BS every year since '86... you guys haven't won a championship in over 20 years... probably should win a few before you talk smack.

difference between Mut fans & Yankee fans... Mut fans celebrate in May... Yankee fans celebrate in October.

or you could say, going by what you posted, Yankees fans live in the past while Met fans live in the now.
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5/22/2007  2:47 PM
Posted by jaydh:

or you could say, going by what you posted, Yankees fans live in the past while Met fans live in the now.

If Met fans lived in the now, they wouldn't continue to be so focused on the Yankees.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/22/2007  9:41 PM
Man, Mussina is over-the-hill
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Posted by jaydh:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Solace:

Mets fans are the worst and most bitter fans in all of sports. Case in point. The Mets are better, enjoy it, stop focusing on the Yankees. Sometimes I think Mets fans get more pleasure out of the Yankees losing than their own team winning. Pathetic.

Better dig in those spikes brother--the Mets are going to be on top for a LONNNNGGGG time.

i think i've heard the same BS every year since '86... you guys haven't won a championship in over 20 years... probably should win a few before you talk smack.

difference between Mut fans & Yankee fans... Mut fans celebrate in May... Yankee fans celebrate in October.

or you could say, going by what you posted, Yankees fans live in the past while Met fans live in the now.

Met fans have no choice... they don't have a past.
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Posted by tkf:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by tkf:

Delgado, alou, glavin, pedro are key cogs to the mets. Reyes is the best young player the mets have. David wright is Ok.. don't be fooled, the mets are a win now team, and they are not going to win.....

the mets are doing it without alou, pedro, and a good delgado. Wright is only ok? I guess a guy averaging over .900 OPS in his first 2 full years in the league is only ok. Reyes, Wright, Perez, Maine, Smith, Gomez, Beltran, Heilman. those are the key cogs. yes they have veterans and youth, they are built for win now and win in the future.


[Edited by - jaydh on 05-21-2007 02:04 AM]

you keep talking old, but forget to add that jeter and A-rod are around the same age as beltran. the yanks have cano who is only 24 and an allstar also, melky has proven to be a solid core player and a great defensive outfielder, then you have wang, who is better than any young pitcher you guys have, we have hughes and a minor league full of good young pitchers and a couple of stud position propects, one being that Tabata kid.... outsie of reyes and wright(who I am not that high on) you mentioned a lot of marginal talent, maine is a mirage, as is his record, I was not that impressed with him, heilman? come on man....... You talk about old as if shawn green, Do luca, delgado, glavine, valentine, easley, alou, are not old and hell you even have 48 year old franco on that team, and the key is, most of these older guys I mentioned are at this point key players on your team, with good money tied into them.... so you are not fooling anyone with this, you are old and we are not bit.....

let's not forget a gimpy old washed up Pedro Martinez with a shoulder being held together with dental floss... Met fans make me laugh every time they bring up the age factor when comparing teams.
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