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mythfaze
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5/19/2007  1:03 PM
Posted by martin:

I see the Suns taking the west next year.

With the same crew? Do you think they're going to make any major offseason moves?

I don't think they can do it unless they make some major moves. They've tried this approach for a while now (granted, they've had injuries to deal with) but they just can't seem to run over opponents in the post season like they do during the regular season. In the regular season they're usually the ones setting the tempo; playoffs, they often get suckered into playing someone else's game.
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5/19/2007  1:05 PM
The Suns will potentially have the #4 pick and some other picks to play with, they could easily make another move.

I agree with Martin. Suns win the whole thing next year.
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5/19/2007  1:47 PM
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by martin:

I see the Suns taking the west next year.

With the same crew? Do you think they're going to make any major offseason moves?

I don't think they can do it unless they make some major moves. They've tried this approach for a while now (granted, they've had injuries to deal with) but they just can't seem to run over opponents in the post season like they do during the regular season. In the regular season they're usually the ones setting the tempo; playoffs, they often get suckered into playing someone else's game.

Having Amare healthy for a full year will help. How come teams need to make major moves to get better? If you are at the top where the Suns are, like Detroit of old (Isiah's Pistons), it takes a bench player or cohesion to get you to the next level. A younger Robert Horry type.

Didn't really watch the whole series but it seems like D'Antoni doesn't have trust outside of 7 players, that circle has GOT to get better cause he seemed to use it during the regular season too much too.
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5/19/2007  2:04 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by martin:

I see the Suns taking the west next year.

With the same crew? Do you think they're going to make any major offseason moves?

I don't think they can do it unless they make some major moves. They've tried this approach for a while now (granted, they've had injuries to deal with) but they just can't seem to run over opponents in the post season like they do during the regular season. In the regular season they're usually the ones setting the tempo; playoffs, they often get suckered into playing someone else's game.

Having Amare healthy for a full year will help. How come teams need to make major moves to get better? If you are at the top where the Suns are, like Detroit of old (Isiah's Pistons), it takes a bench player or cohesion to get you to the next level. A younger Robert Horry type.

Didn't really watch the whole series but it seems like D'Antoni doesn't have trust outside of 7 players, that circle has GOT to get better cause he seemed to use it during the regular season too much too.

Are the Spurs going to disappear after this season? Is Tim Duncan going to call it a career? The Knicks took the Bulls to Game 7 in the 1992 Eastern Conference semi-finals and everyone in NY and around just assume that the Knicks will take the East the next year because they were upcoming. But guess what the Bulls remained the Bulls and the same results happen the next year. It was just assumed that the Spurs were not as talented but lets remember. Manu hasn't played that well this past year and for most of the playoffs. In Game 5 & 6, he reminded the NBA that the Spurs just aren't Parker and Duncan. BTW, unless otherwise written the Spurs can make moves to get better as well.
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5/19/2007  2:52 PM
I want the Pistons to win it, mostly for Webber but also I'd be shocked if Billups/Sheed/Rip/Prince didn't win another one. They're too good not to, and IMO they are the only team besides Dallas who can truly threaten San Antonio.
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5/19/2007  4:30 PM
Posted by Solace:

Complete and utter garbage. The entire playoffs is now tainted in my view, no matter what happens. The Suns would have been the champions, as they were robbed of game 5 and arguably of game 1.

IMO last year's playoffs were 'tainted' even more so by the treatment Wade got. At least Amare and Diaw could have controlled themselves. There is nothing Dallas could have done to stop Wade from getting the MJ red carpet treatment.

As far as getting screwed over, we got screwed over at least 2 or 3 times as bad 10 years ago by this same rule.

So yeah, it sucks, but it's not like this is the first time stuff like this has happened before and it probably won't be the last. So why are people only now getting so outraged and whining about not wanting to watch the NBA anymore? My guess is that they're just extra annoyed because they like the Suns. But if you could live with how the Knicks got screwed over but not with how the Suns got screwed over, I don't know where your priorities are.
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5/19/2007  5:03 PM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by Solace:

Complete and utter garbage. The entire playoffs is now tainted in my view, no matter what happens. The Suns would have been the champions, as they were robbed of game 5 and arguably of game 1.

IMO last year's playoffs were 'tainted' even more so by the treatment Wade got. At least Amare and Diaw could have controlled themselves. There is nothing Dallas could have done to stop Wade from getting the MJ red carpet treatment.

As far as getting screwed over, we got screwed over at least 2 or 3 times as bad 10 years ago by this same rule.

So yeah, it sucks, but it's not like this is the first time stuff like this has happened before and it probably won't be the last. So why are people only now getting so outraged and whining about not wanting to watch the NBA anymore? My guess is that they're just extra annoyed because they like the Suns. But if you could live with how the Knicks got screwed over but not with how the Suns got screwed over, I don't know where your priorities are.

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5/19/2007  5:07 PM
DId anyone see Game 6 where the Suns had Diaw and Amare and lost?

Okay, just checking.
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5/19/2007  5:59 PM
Posted by highfivesucka:

I want the Pistons to win it, mostly for Webber but also I'd be shocked if Billups/Sheed/Rip/Prince didn't win another one. They're too good not to, and IMO they are the only team besides Dallas who can truly threaten San Antonio.

You want it for Webber? Who gives a **** about Webber? You believe he "deserves" a championship or something after sucking under a bloated contract for years?
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5/19/2007  6:06 PM
Having Amare healthy for a full year will help. How come teams need to make major moves to get better? If you are at the top where the Suns are, like Detroit of old (Isiah's Pistons), it takes a bench player or cohesion to get you to the next level. A younger Robert Horry type.

Didn't really watch the whole series but it seems like D'Antoni doesn't have trust outside of 7 players, that circle has GOT to get better cause he seemed to use it during the regular season too much too.

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Posted May 19th 2007 11:11AM

Perhaps the most interesting team to monitor in the NBA this offseason will be the Phoenix Suns. The Dallas Mavericks are a candidate, too, but their playoff ouster seems more rooted in the fact that Golden State simply wasn't a great matchup. Mark Cuban seems unlikely to nuke that squad.

Phoenix? Possibly a different story. After two visits to the Western Conference finals, this year's semifinal departure, combined with the luxury cap and the NBA draft, could signal big changes in Phoenix - mostly involving All-Star forward Shawn Marion.

The Suns are facing a luxury-tax hit estimated at $12 million if they return all of their core players and draft and sign three first-round picks. To avoid the luxury tax or at least lessen the burden, the Suns don't have to act this summer.

The luxury tax is levied based on teams' payrolls at the close of the February trade deadline so Phoenix could keep things largely intact and make a call based on a half-season's performance.

Shawn Marion's name regularly surfaces in off-season trade talks - not just in rumors. Marion has two years worth $33.6 million on his contract.

To me, it makes absolutely zero sense to see alter nothing this summer, and then see what the deal is by the All-Star break in 2008. What if the Suns are the best team in the NBA? Then what? Will the owners just deal with the luxury tax? I don't know many owners who are keen on shelling out $12 million, especially when there's no guarantee of a title.

I'll just say this: I don't think Marion helped his cause much against San Antonio. He really struggled in Game Six, scoring just 11 points and collecting 11 rebounds, and though he defended many players, I don't think he did a particularly good job slowing Tony Parker (30 points). Ditto for Game 1, when Marion attempted to guard the crafty point guard (32 points). If the Suns land the fourth pick in the draft lottery Tuesday, I think Marion's definitely getting traded.
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5/19/2007  9:30 PM
Posted by tomverve:

So yeah, it sucks, but it's not like this is the first time stuff like this has happened before and it probably won't be the last. So why are people only now getting so outraged and whining about not wanting to watch the NBA anymore? My guess is that they're just extra annoyed because they like the Suns. But if you could live with how the Knicks got screwed over but not with how the Suns got screwed over, I don't know where your priorities are.

People are up in arms over it because it's recent. What happened to the Knicks happened a long time ago; we still dislike it to this day but eventually accepted it as much as you can... I don't know anyone who isn't a Suns fan and is going to quit watching basketball over this indicent. Posts like this make me think that your view is that we can't be upset about the Suns getting raped because it happened to the Knicks 10 years ago and we're not still bitching about that. If that's what you're saying, then you're wrong... and not bitching every day about things 10 years ago doesn't make us any less of a Knicks fan. Sorry.
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5/19/2007  11:51 PM
The Suns didn't get raped. This is a rule and it's going to happen. Had there been a fight earlier in the game, Tim DUncan would have gotto suspended too, b/c he stepped out. There was no fight though. You gotto blame the Suns and their staff for not keeping Amare and Diaw in check, and you gotto, of course, blame Amare. This is something NBA teams should be absolutely drilling into the players and assistant coaches, b/c it hurts teams bad when they fall into that trap.

David Stern gets a lot of criticism, but he needs to be consistent, so he wont get my mouth on this one.

The Suns will win a championship when they find a way to stop Tony Parker from doing everything he absolutely wants, and from also being satisfied by keeping Tim Duncan "In check." Being happy about that is pulling a Knicks. There was no way the Suns were going to win this series. They were being outplayed by the Spurs every game. They didn't close out on the Spurs deadly shooters, many times, they couldn't control Parker, Bowen's defense was terrific, as was the entire Spurs D, and Nash made a lot of mistakes too that never got mentioned. In that one win, he had like 10 turnovers, or close to it. The Suns have no shotblocking. They are not a team that's one chip from being a championship. They have some absolute major work that needs to be done.

To top it off, I think the Suns need a real consistent shooting threat besides Raja Bell, streaky Shawn Marion, streaky Barbosa and Boris "I'm doing my Channing Frye Impression" Diaw.
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5/19/2007  11:58 PM
anyone want to further debate the suspension nonsense, listen to stern pwn dan patrick:

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/espnradio/player?context=podcast&id=2872317

deron williams is the best point guard in the league, and timmy is the best big. should be a great series.
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5/20/2007  12:24 PM
there are some fun matchups there. the spurs obviously can't put bowen on Boozer because Boozer will just back him down, but obviously the Jazz have no one to guard Duncan... then again Okur will drag Duncan out of the paint.... so Bowen will probably guard Williams like they did with Nash to contain penetration, but they can't guard the pick and roll with Bowen/Duncan as strongly I think because Okur is so far from the hoop... hm... and then theres AK47. some interesting matchups here. did anybody here see regular season games between these 2 and have any indication of how the matchups went?
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