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Nalod
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5/19/2007  1:14 PM
What are we missing here?

Frye does great when properly used to his strengths as evident in his rookie year. What was asked of him last year that killed his confidence?

Since we are not privy to such things, then lets not trade him and watch him blossom under a different regime and want him back.

Grass is always greener.

Keep Frye. Work it out!!
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5/19/2007  1:43 PM
Posted by Nalod:

What are we missing here?

Frye does great when properly used to his strengths as evident in his rookie year. What was asked of him last year that killed his confidence?

Since we are not privy to such things, then lets not trade him and watch him blossom under a different regime and want him back.

Grass is always greener.

Keep Frye. Work it out!!

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That easy.
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5/19/2007  2:57 PM
yea Diaw and Barbosa are overrated. San Antonio proved that by taking away Barbosa's angle at the glass and closed him out on the 3PT line, he is blazing fast in the open court but he has 0 ball handling ability and with all that speed I don't think I've ever seen him consistently beat his defender off the dribble in a half court set because he only goes in one direction
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5/19/2007  4:21 PM
What am I missing for how this trade works? Trade checker shows the salaries not matching up at all.
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5/19/2007  5:10 PM
Dude said Barbosa is overrated, lol.

Someone please delete his account ASAP
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5/19/2007  9:47 PM
the premise of this--this is where i take advantage of
A. a team that will try to cut payroll
B. a player who has tremendous skill who was hurt utilyzed poorly this year[who is still very young]
C. adding a SIGNIFICANT veteran big time player who can play anywhere 1-5
D. using $$$ leverage and some of our young assets who MIGHT not fit here to bring in that vet player AND give us the chance to swap up young players.

What does Boris Diaw bring to the Knicks? he can MOVE the ball from the point forward.

He can guard the 1 at 6-9

He can take advantage in the post going small at 6-9

He can play any position he's interchangeable

Remember Baron Davis scked when he was hurt and poorly used as well.

This gives Phonix the ability to lose 30MM in long term payroll for a player who played Amare's position last year and DOES not have a good role there now. We can say balkman 3 this that--I say Diaw is one helluva ballplayer who was hurt wasnt used right and has PROVEN what he can do at the biggest level-- and if you have a short emmory go look at the 2006 playoffs

The Suns also get two young bigs at a very cheap price--one happens to be perfect for their system and can do well there FRYE for taking on that salry--the going rate is also an extra pick
Pheonix is NOT taking 3 picks you can count on it.

I think its a good deal for both team quite frankly. We dont have to take almond and williams. Whoever IT thinks we should get there--so be it--he has proven his skills in the later 1 st round.
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5/20/2007  4:02 AM
briggs i like the deal but i'm just not sure phoenix would be tempted to do it. i think they're enamored with boris. plus if they make a move i think it'll be more major than getting frye and rose, etc.

interesting to consider though, if you can add a player with the talents of diaw you gotta do it. plus the suns have been known to give away draft picks.
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5/20/2007  9:36 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

the premise of this--this is where i take advantage of
A. a team that will try to cut payroll
B. a player who has tremendous skill who was hurt utilyzed poorly this year[who is still very young]
C. adding a SIGNIFICANT veteran big time player who can play anywhere 1-5
D. using $$$ leverage and some of our young assets who MIGHT not fit here to bring in that vet player AND give us the chance to swap up young players.

What does Boris Diaw bring to the Knicks? he can MOVE the ball from the point forward.

He can guard the 1 at 6-9

He can take advantage in the post going small at 6-9

He can play any position he's interchangeable

Remember Baron Davis scked when he was hurt and poorly used as well.

This gives Phonix the ability to lose 30MM in long term payroll for a player who played Amare's position last year and DOES not have a good role there now. We can say balkman 3 this that--I say Diaw is one helluva ballplayer who was hurt wasnt used right and has PROVEN what he can do at the biggest level-- and if you have a short emmory go look at the 2006 playoffs

The Suns also get two young bigs at a very cheap price--one happens to be perfect for their system and can do well there FRYE for taking on that salry--the going rate is also an extra pick
Pheonix is NOT taking 3 picks you can count on it.

I think its a good deal for both team quite frankly. We dont have to take almond and williams. Whoever IT thinks we should get there--so be it--he has proven his skills in the later 1 st round.

I think you are right. The Suns are not drafting 3 rookies. They need players that know what they are doing to make another title push. It is just going to boil down to who gives them the best deal for their picks.
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5/20/2007  11:06 AM
c'mon, if we are going to deal with the suns its gonna be for the matrix......boris who ?
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5/20/2007  11:40 AM
....the matrix trade = jj + frye + rose. suns load up for bulls trade

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5/20/2007  11:51 AM
i think diaw and espeically marion will yield more than the trash heap of the knicks. malik, frye, JJ, come on.
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5/20/2007  12:07 PM
I wouldn't even want Malik Rose on my YMCA team so what earthly reason would the Suns want him?

And why would they trade Boris Diaw? To cut payroll? Please.
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5/20/2007  12:17 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

i think diaw and espeically marion will yield more than the trash heap of the knicks. malik, frye, JJ, come on.
Bingo. We have very few trade assets and the few we have are players that everyone here wants to keep. When you give up seven draft picks for Curry and Marbury and most of your players are severely overpaid, you end up on the sidelines when good players become available.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-20-2007 12:18 PM]
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5/20/2007  12:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

the premise of this--this is where i take advantage of
A. a team that will try to cut payroll
B. a player who has tremendous skill who was hurt utilyzed poorly this year[who is still very young]
C. adding a SIGNIFICANT veteran big time player who can play anywhere 1-5
D. using $$$ leverage and some of our young assets who MIGHT not fit here to bring in that vet player AND give us the chance to swap up young players.

What does Boris Diaw bring to the Knicks? he can MOVE the ball from the point forward.

He can guard the 1 at 6-9

He can take advantage in the post going small at 6-9

He can play any position he's interchangeable

Remember Baron Davis scked when he was hurt and poorly used as well.

This gives Phonix the ability to lose 30MM in long term payroll for a player who played Amare's position last year and DOES not have a good role there now. We can say balkman 3 this that--I say Diaw is one helluva ballplayer who was hurt wasnt used right and has PROVEN what he can do at the biggest level-- and if you have a short emmory go look at the 2006 playoffs

The Suns also get two young bigs at a very cheap price--one happens to be perfect for their system and can do well there FRYE for taking on that salry--the going rate is also an extra pick
Pheonix is NOT taking 3 picks you can count on it.

I think its a good deal for both team quite frankly. We dont have to take almond and williams. Whoever IT thinks we should get there--so be it--he has proven his skills in the later 1 st round.

I don't know man. The guy is only averaging 10points, 4rebounds and 5assists in 31 minutes per game.
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5/20/2007  12:40 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

I wouldn't even want Malik Rose on my YMCA team so what earthly reason would the Suns want him?

And why would they trade Boris Diaw? To cut payroll? Please.

Unfortunately, they do have a real budget. One of the reasons why Joe Johnson is playing in Atlanta. They will face the same challenges with both Diaw and Barbosa. You guys have to remember that all teams don't have deep pockets like the Dolans.
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Posted by Anji:
Posted by BRIGGS:

the premise of this--this is where i take advantage of
A. a team that will try to cut payroll
B. a player who has tremendous skill who was hurt utilyzed poorly this year[who is still very young]
C. adding a SIGNIFICANT veteran big time player who can play anywhere 1-5
D. using $$$ leverage and some of our young assets who MIGHT not fit here to bring in that vet player AND give us the chance to swap up young players.

What does Boris Diaw bring to the Knicks? he can MOVE the ball from the point forward.

He can guard the 1 at 6-9

He can take advantage in the post going small at 6-9

He can play any position he's interchangeable

Remember Baron Davis scked when he was hurt and poorly used as well.

This gives Phonix the ability to lose 30MM in long term payroll for a player who played Amare's position last year and DOES not have a good role there now. We can say balkman 3 this that--I say Diaw is one helluva ballplayer who was hurt wasnt used right and has PROVEN what he can do at the biggest level-- and if you have a short emmory go look at the 2006 playoffs

The Suns also get two young bigs at a very cheap price--one happens to be perfect for their system and can do well there FRYE for taking on that salry--the going rate is also an extra pick
Pheonix is NOT taking 3 picks you can count on it.

I think its a good deal for both team quite frankly. We dont have to take almond and williams. Whoever IT thinks we should get there--so be it--he has proven his skills in the later 1 st round.

I don't know man. The guy is only averaging 10points, 4rebounds and 5assists in 31 minutes per game.

the return of Stat has a lot to do with that. he isn't getting the touches
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5/20/2007  2:50 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

I wouldn't even want Malik Rose on my YMCA team so what earthly reason would the Suns want him?

And why would they trade Boris Diaw? To cut payroll? Please.

wrong, wrong, wrong.....if suns had malik rose they be facing utah today !

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5/20/2007  4:46 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Anji:



I don't know man. The guy is only averaging 10points, 4rebounds and 5assists in 31 minutes per game.

the return of Stat has a lot to do with that. he isn't getting the touches

It's hard to argue that you play 31minutes in the Suns systems and you aer not get touches.
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Posted by Anji:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Anji:



I don't know man. The guy is only averaging 10points, 4rebounds and 5assists in 31 minutes per game.

the return of Stat has a lot to do with that. he isn't getting the touches

It's hard to argue that you play 31minutes in the Suns systems and you aer not get touches.

it is when you consider there is still only 1 ball and you have Nash Amare Marion Bell and Barbosa getting touches as well
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5/22/2007  12:14 AM
Posted by bigpimpin:

I wouldn't even want Malik Rose on my YMCA team so what earthly reason would the Suns want him?

And why would they trade Boris Diaw? To cut payroll? Please.

Why would you pay someone 9mm $ a year as a role player--which is what Diaw morphed back into when Amare Stoudemire came back. Now I *remember* just how good diaw was playing the 5 spot when Stoudemire was out. I can see him as a multi-dimensional 1-5 player with long arms who is still very young and could have a serious 32-34 minute role here. Pheonix gets both Channing Frye[who should be MUCH better AND needed in AZ] a young big in Morris and a quality bnch sub in Rose against certain teams-- when there are injuries etc.. And at the end of the day if Im just giving up Frye and adding a pick[ and I think that Phoenix will accept this because of the $$$$]+ a veteran who will help THIS particular team much more than Frye

I mean adding Diaw and drafting a combo like Almond and Williams could *finish* the product here

You would have a line up of
C-Curry 6-11
F-Balkman 6-7
F-Diaw 6-9
G-Crawford 6-4
G Starbury 6-2
C Williams 6-10
F Lee 6-9
G Collins 6-6
G Q-Rich 6-6
G Almond 6-6

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