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RemBee76
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5/17/2007  2:20 PM
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5/17/2007  2:21 PM
Posted by tomverve:

The amount of money Marbury may be making off of it is irrelevant to the question of whether the shoe line is doing social good. Maybe the amount of money he's netting makes a difference to whether you want to call him a philanthropist or whether you call the whole process a charity. If you have a problem with using those terms I think you have a valid point. But even if you think Marbury is just a tycoon in this whole game, I don't think it changes the reasonable idea that the cheap sneakers are having some positive effects for poorer kids. Why some folks want to go so far out of their way all the time to make sure nothing positive is ever associated with Marbury is beyond me.

That's the main point and I think most agree with you. He's getting credit when in reality he's in it for the money. He's certainly not doing a negative thing; it does have a positive effect on some. But I can't give him a lot of credit as a philanthropist either, since it really amounts to a saavy business move.

It's like when people donate old clothes that they'll never wear again, to charity. While a nice gesture, for many it amounts to, "I was never going to wear these again, and the tax refund is nice". Certainly they're not doing a bad thing, but clearly there's another motive involved. People who are saying the same about Marbury are correct.
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5/17/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by tomverve:

The amount of money Marbury may be making off of it is irrelevant to the question of whether the shoe line is doing social good. Maybe the amount of money he's netting makes a difference to whether you want to call him a philanthropist or whether you call the whole process a charity. If you have a problem with using those terms I think you have a valid point. But even if you think Marbury is just a tycoon in this whole game, I don't think it changes the reasonable idea that the cheap sneakers are having some positive effects for poorer kids. Why some folks want to go so far out of their way all the time to make sure nothing positive is ever associated with Marbury is beyond me.

That's the main point and I think most agree with you. He's getting credit when in reality he's in it for the money. He's certainly not doing a negative thing; it does have a positive effect on some. But I can't give him a lot of credit as a philanthropist either, since it really amounts to a saavy business move.

It's like when people donate old clothes that they'll never wear again, to charity. While a nice gesture, for many it amounts to, "I was never going to wear these again, and the tax refund is nice". Certainly they're not doing a bad thing, but clearly there's another motive involved. People who are saying the same about Marbury are correct.


That's my only beef in that he's being blown up way too much over this, when there are probably more worthy athletes who deserve recognition for their efforts to society. It's cool his ego allows him to do this but todays generation, especially in America, get so giddy over so-called movements. We're so desperate sometimes.
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5/17/2007  2:26 PM
You think the chance Marbury was taking, tying his image to and heavily endorsing a product that might have been viewed as cheap and unworthy and possibly sacrificing millions of $$$s on endorsements he could have received elsewhere, is equivalent to donating old clothes to good-will?

Really?
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5/17/2007  2:28 PM
Marbury is endorsing his likeness to sell a brand of cheap sneaker. He did not invent the cheap sneaker.

A winner usually gets endorsement oppoprtunities bassed on the value of the successful likeness helps those who buy it associate the product with success. Its not hating to say Marbury, who will have made well over 100 million is not a succesful person, and if that alone sells shoes (I think it must be the case) then so be it, but marbury as a basketball persona to us fans in NY is a brooding towel draping divider of men.

Hate on him for his failed superstar status and self proclaimed savior is not a successful image. To me that is.

I guess selling sneakers to low income families based on Marbury's image would not be the kind of investment I would think of.

They are selling sneakers, and the product gets a lot of press, but what if Shane Battier were selling them? Or other NBA persona that is perhaps more marketable? Might they have sold more?

Is marbury more cool than alternative NBA stars? Is it the "I don't give a Phuck" cool more a factor in selling sneakers than on court success?

Maybe the answer lies in "fashion" first and "endorment values" somewhere down the list.

"Changing the world"? ITs a bold statement.

I have been begging for Marbury to donate his profits as a methoed of making the effort legitimate.
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5/17/2007  2:30 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

You think the chance Marbury was taking, tying his image to and heavily endorsing a product that might have been viewed as cheap and unworthy and possibly sacrificing millions of $$$s on endorsements he could have received elsewhere, is equivalent to donating old clothes to good-will?

Really?

Yes I do. And from what I've heard from a few who bought his shoes, they have the quality of old clothes. Take that for what you will.
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Posted by Nalod:

I have been begging for Marbury to donate his profits as a methoed of making the effort legitimate.

Exactly. If he wants to play the noble hero, donate the profits.
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by tomverve:

The amount of money Marbury may be making off of it is irrelevant to the question of whether the shoe line is doing social good. Maybe the amount of money he's netting makes a difference to whether you want to call him a philanthropist or whether you call the whole process a charity. If you have a problem with using those terms I think you have a valid point. But even if you think Marbury is just a tycoon in this whole game, I don't think it changes the reasonable idea that the cheap sneakers are having some positive effects for poorer kids. Why some folks want to go so far out of their way all the time to make sure nothing positive is ever associated with Marbury is beyond me.
That's the main point and I think most agree with you. He's getting credit when in reality he's in it for the money. He's certainly not doing a negative thing; it does have a positive effect on some. But I can't give him a lot of credit as a philanthropist either, since it really amounts to a saavy business move.

It's like when people donate old clothes that they'll never wear again, to charity. While a nice gesture, for many it amounts to, "I was never going to wear these again, and the tax refund is nice". Certainly they're not doing a bad thing, but clearly there's another motive involved. People who are saying the same about Marbury are correct.


I don't know if I agree with that. the ultimate result is that you have a winter coat and I get a small tax break, everybody wins. maybe it's just me but I don't see the problem here. I mean this is opposed to the alternative of someone giving nothing at all because there is no incentive outside of personal satisfaction.

I hate on marbs' game just as much as anyone else, but I really can't find any justifiable reason to talk bad about his shoes outside of his own shoes being produced in sweat shops (which they probably are.) and I don't think the argument that he should use his money to "solve world hunger" or something is valid. I'm pretty sure if money was the problem in feeding the hungry, it would have been solved long ago, because the main problem in for example underdeveloped countries is a lack of political, economic and industrial infrastructure to make large scale, long-term aid programs very hard to do, not a lack of money. and building homeless shelters or whatever aren't going to do anything because most homeless people either get kicked out of shelters for causing trouble/drug abuse/being violent, and others just don't want to go to the shelters because they know they're going to get raped/robed/etc.

an affordable shoe line is not the end all be all solution to every problem in the world but it's a practical approach to a problem and marbury has deservedly gotten praise for it, it's simple and the idea is good, although whether or not it actually works is another question (honestly would you wear them to school when you know everyone else knows they're $15?)
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5/17/2007  2:43 PM
Is marbury more cool than alternative NBA stars? Is it the "I don't give a Phuck" cool more a factor in selling sneakers than on court success?


You just don't know how true that statement is. You said a mouthful here. That mentality is echoed from those who'll buy his shoes. Take for instance if you go down to your local barbershop IN DA HOOD and this happens to be the topic of conversation you'll hear some gullible nutrider say....

"Yo Marbury just don't give a Phuck, he's selling shoes to his people for the LOW LOW. I gotta go out there and support my N*G but while I am, you best believe I'll cop a couple extra of the fire and sell it right back on the street and line my pockets. Ya know gotta move the movement".


All I can do is laugh at this!
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5/17/2007  2:51 PM
What Steph did....I think its a good thing. Its not charity, but its still a good thing. If you want to get upset at the fact that some people (I really don't know who myself) are touting it as charity, complain about those people.
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5/17/2007  2:51 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Yo Marbury just don't give a Phuck, he's selling shoes to his people for the LOW LOW. I gotta go out there and support my N*G but while I am, you best believe I'll cop a couple extra of the fire and sell it right back on the street and line my pockets. Ya know gotta move the movement

Wow, True, your posts are really getting more erudite. Keep doing the exercises in your Scholastic workbook, and you might earn that Clifford lunch-box yet.

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5/17/2007  2:55 PM

Lets say some of us are not "hating" on the "movement".

Im slapping it down to where should be.

When he proclaims he is "changing the world" I just gotta laugh. He is ain't "Ghandi" or "Peter Pumkin Head" for that matter, just a guy endorsing a shoe marketed to the very low end.

Second point is how good a shoe it is for $15.99. Its a great shoe! I'd easily have paid $17.99 for that god awful piece of crap.

Maybe the shoe is kind of like him. Looks good on the outside and appears to do the job but lacks "SOLE"!
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5/17/2007  2:56 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Yo Marbury just don't give a Phuck, he's selling shoes to his people for the LOW LOW. I gotta go out there and support my N*G but while I am, you best believe I'll cop a couple extra of the fire and sell it right back on the street and line my pockets. Ya know gotta move the movement

Wow, True, your posts are really getting more erudite. Keep doing the exercises in your Scholastic workbook, and you might earn that Clifford lunch-box yet.


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I encourage you to visit the Hood sometime, it can be very entertaining and informative. It will help you understand the street and movements.
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5/17/2007  3:00 PM
Hey...also realize though that he is promoting his product.

I do think its hard for a person who has a bad taste for Steph (myself included) to take an objective look at what he is doing.

He's trying to sell shoes.

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5/17/2007  3:02 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Lets say some of us are not "hating" on the "movement".

Im slapping it down to where should be.

When he proclaims he is "changing the world" I just gotta laugh. He is ain't "Ghandi" or "Peter Pumkin Head" for that matter, just a guy endorsing a shoe marketed to the very low end.

Second point is how good a shoe it is for $15.99. Its a great shoe! I'd easily have paid $17.99 for that god awful piece of crap.

Maybe the shoe is kind of like him. Looks good on the outside and appears to do the job but lacks "SOLE"!



It's time to post that MISSION STATEMENT again


"This is about you and me. This is about you and me changing the world. This is about you and me saying it's not about the commercials, the gimmicks, the dollar signs. This is about you and me showing the world that it can be done. Starbury is my life. This line was built on what I've been through. From Coney Island to Madison Square Garden. These are the shoes I wear on the court; these are the clothes I wear off it. This is what I believe in. I'm tired of people saying it can't be done. Change the world with me."


You tell em STARBURY.........ONE LOVE
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5/17/2007  3:05 PM
"Starbury is my life"



What is STARBURY? Is it the same as saying Stephon Marbury is My Life?
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5/17/2007  3:10 PM
TB, I know enough about the "streets" to know that if you cared to share that honky characterization of them with the paying customers of a barbershop, you'd be lucky to be leaving with a good kick to the head. On second thought, nah, they probably wouldn't bother with your Wonder Bread-fed behind.

Compare and contrast Steph's Stars to Latrell Sprewell's efforts (you know, the most beloved Knick player in recent history) with And-1s, which actually were sold on the basis of his rebellious image.

Not you, TB. Just do exercise 3 pg. 19 in your workbook.
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5/17/2007  3:38 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Nalod:


Lets say some of us are not "hating" on the "movement".

Im slapping it down to where should be.

When he proclaims he is "changing the world" I just gotta laugh. He is ain't "Ghandi" or "Peter Pumkin Head" for that matter, just a guy endorsing a shoe marketed to the very low end.

Second point is how good a shoe it is for $15.99. Its a great shoe! I'd easily have paid $17.99 for that god awful piece of crap.

Maybe the shoe is kind of like him. Looks good on the outside and appears to do the job but lacks "SOLE"!



It's time to post that MISSION STATEMENT again


"This is about you and me. This is about you and me changing the world. This is about you and me saying it's not about the commercials, the gimmicks, the dollar signs. This is about you and me showing the world that it can be done. Starbury is my life. This line was built on what I've been through. From Coney Island to Madison Square Garden. These are the shoes I wear on the court; these are the clothes I wear off it. This is what I believe in. I'm tired of people saying it can't be done. Change the world with me."


You tell em STARBURY.........ONE LOVE

Lets define "STARBURY" as knick fans":

It ain't about the playoffs, my teamates, and winning in the playoffs~! It ain't about the rash of coaches who try to mold me into greatness, its about Making money. Starbury is about taking an Escalade and making it into a Rolls Royce, its about terry cloth. Lots of terry cloth. ITs about being "all alone", its about keeping it real in the olympics, keeping it real for Lenny, and Keeping Kurt Thomas away from busting my ass.

I live Starbury on the court! Lets change the world together, lets not care about the playoffs! Together we can not make a difference!
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5/17/2007  3:46 PM
Posted by highfivesucka:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by tomverve:

The amount of money Marbury may be making off of it is irrelevant to the question of whether the shoe line is doing social good. Maybe the amount of money he's netting makes a difference to whether you want to call him a philanthropist or whether you call the whole process a charity. If you have a problem with using those terms I think you have a valid point. But even if you think Marbury is just a tycoon in this whole game, I don't think it changes the reasonable idea that the cheap sneakers are having some positive effects for poorer kids. Why some folks want to go so far out of their way all the time to make sure nothing positive is ever associated with Marbury is beyond me.
That's the main point and I think most agree with you. He's getting credit when in reality he's in it for the money. He's certainly not doing a negative thing; it does have a positive effect on some. But I can't give him a lot of credit as a philanthropist either, since it really amounts to a saavy business move.

It's like when people donate old clothes that they'll never wear again, to charity. While a nice gesture, for many it amounts to, "I was never going to wear these again, and the tax refund is nice". Certainly they're not doing a bad thing, but clearly there's another motive involved. People who are saying the same about Marbury are correct.


I don't know if I agree with that. the ultimate result is that you have a winter coat and I get a small tax break, everybody wins. maybe it's just me but I don't see the problem here. I mean this is opposed to the alternative of someone giving nothing at all because there is no incentive outside of personal satisfaction.

I hate on marbs' game just as much as anyone else, but I really can't find any justifiable reason to talk bad about his shoes outside of his own shoes being produced in sweat shops (which they probably are.) and I don't think the argument that he should use his money to "solve world hunger" or something is valid. I'm pretty sure if money was the problem in feeding the hungry, it would have been solved long ago, because the main problem in for example underdeveloped countries is a lack of political, economic and industrial infrastructure to make large scale, long-term aid programs very hard to do, not a lack of money. and building homeless shelters or whatever aren't going to do anything because most homeless people either get kicked out of shelters for causing trouble/drug abuse/being violent, and others just don't want to go to the shelters because they know they're going to get raped/robed/etc.

an affordable shoe line is not the end all be all solution to every problem in the world but it's a practical approach to a problem and marbury has deservedly gotten praise for it, it's simple and the idea is good, although whether or not it actually works is another question (honestly would you wear them to school when you know everyone else knows they're $15?)

Good post. The problem is Marbury.....Replace Marb with D Wade and know-one would be having a problem with this.
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