Posted by mythfaze:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by mythfaze:

How is this a problem? Sure it sucks, but the rules are the rules. They've been enforced pretty consistently throughout the years. Leave the bench during a scuffle, get suspended.

There's no problem with how they're enforced. There may be a problem with the rule itself (which I think there is) so change that.

You mean consistently, the way Duncan was suspended for coming 6 feet onto the court after one of his teammates was lowbridged after a dunk?

Oh wait, he wasn't suspended. Nevermind.

Give me a break. From the tape I saw (feel free to show me one that proves otherwise) that was no altercation. World of a difference between the two.

So if the Suns player that undercut the Spurs player, got into the face of the guy while he was down and escalated the situation, then Duncan should have been suspended? That's pure genius.

If you walk on the court, when you're not in the game, you're supposed to be suspended. Using the BS "letter of the law" decisions, Duncan should have been suspended.

No, that's not it at all. Players are on the court all the time when they're not in the game, celebrating. They take a step over the line and jump up after a good play.

You're not supposed to be on the court during an altercation. The Duncan incident wasn't an altercation.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I think he's a total Hypocrite Dope. He eliminated the 5gm series in the first round and expanded it to 7gms. He changed the playoff format this post season to make it more difficult for powerhouses to meet too early. He's gimmicked up drafts. All because he wants to have the greatest possibility of seeing the best teams compete. But then inserts some handcuffing rule as this, knowing it's natural instinct to protect those of your own and hands out the stiffest of penalties if violated. Taking away the greatest chance to see the best teams compete.


WCE=WORST COMMISH EVER

He is, and I understand the rule, I mean rudy Tomjanovic almost got killed by kermit washington and rudy was running to be a peace maker. You can't really judge guys intentions in situations like that, but there has to be some sort of way to sit down, watch the film and make a decision with certain exceptions. No punches were thrown, no one was hurt, I mean what is the upside of sitting two of the suns better players in a highly contested series?

this has 1997 written all over it..

Zero sympathy. I was crushed in 97. So to Amare, Boris, Coach D' Antoni, Suns fans, the Suns organization, Steve Kerr and anyone else can go Cry me a River. Get over it. Join the club.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by mythfaze:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by mythfaze:

How is this a problem? Sure it sucks, but the rules are the rules. They've been enforced pretty consistently throughout the years. Leave the bench during a scuffle, get suspended.

There's no problem with how they're enforced. There may be a problem with the rule itself (which I think there is) so change that.

You mean consistently, the way Duncan was suspended for coming 6 feet onto the court after one of his teammates was lowbridged after a dunk?

Oh wait, he wasn't suspended. Nevermind.

Give me a break. From the tape I saw (feel free to show me one that proves otherwise) that was no altercation. World of a difference between the two.

So if the Suns player that undercut the Spurs player, got into the face of the guy while he was down and escalated the situation, then Duncan should have been suspended? That's pure genius.

If you walk on the court, when you're not in the game, you're supposed to be suspended. Using the BS "letter of the law" decisions, Duncan should have been suspended.

If for nothing else did Duncan receive a technical from the incident?

Posted by mythfaze:

No, that's not it at all. Players are on the court all the time when they're not in the game, celebrating. They take a step over the line and jump up after a good play.

You're not supposed to be on the court during an altercation. The Duncan incident wasn't an altercation.

So Duncan was celebrating that his teammate was undercut and fell to the floor hard?

Based on the "letter of the law", the Suns player would have been wise to preen over the fallen Spurs player to get one Spurs player to get in his face. Under those circumstances, Duncan should have been suspended, right?

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I think he's a total Hypocrite Dope. He eliminated the 5gm series in the first round and expanded it to 7gms. He changed the playoff format this post season to make it more difficult for powerhouses to meet too early. He's gimmicked up drafts. All because he wants to have the greatest possibility of seeing the best teams compete. But then inserts some handcuffing rule as this, knowing it's natural instinct to protect those of your own and hands out the stiffest of penalties if violated. Taking away the greatest chance to see the best teams compete.


WCE=WORST COMMISH EVER

He is, and I understand the rule, I mean rudy Tomjanovic almost got killed by kermit washington and rudy was running to be a peace maker. You can't really judge guys intentions in situations like that, but there has to be some sort of way to sit down, watch the film and make a decision with certain exceptions. No punches were thrown, no one was hurt, I mean what is the upside of sitting two of the suns better players in a highly contested series?

this has 1997 written all over it..

Zero sympathy. I was crushed in 97. So to Amare, Boris, Coach D' Antoni, Suns fans, the Suns organization, Steve Kerr and anyone else can go Cry me a River. Get over it. Join the club.

Another genius.

Instead of arguing that other people shouldn't be screwed like you were, you'd rather tell the people who follow you to **** off and get bent.

Mindboggling stupidity.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I think he's a total Hypocrite Dope. He eliminated the 5gm series in the first round and expanded it to 7gms. He changed the playoff format this post season to make it more difficult for powerhouses to meet too early. He's gimmicked up drafts. All because he wants to have the greatest possibility of seeing the best teams compete. But then inserts some handcuffing rule as this, knowing it's natural instinct to protect those of your own and hands out the stiffest of penalties if violated. Taking away the greatest chance to see the best teams compete.


WCE=WORST COMMISH EVER

He is, and I understand the rule, I mean rudy Tomjanovic almost got killed by kermit washington and rudy was running to be a peace maker. You can't really judge guys intentions in situations like that, but there has to be some sort of way to sit down, watch the film and make a decision with certain exceptions. No punches were thrown, no one was hurt, I mean what is the upside of sitting two of the suns better players in a highly contested series?

this has 1997 written all over it..

Zero sympathy. I was crushed in 97. So to Amare, Boris, Coach D' Antoni, Suns fans, the Suns organization, Steve Kerr and anyone else can go Cry me a River. Get over it. Join the club.

Another genius.

Instead of arguing that other people shouldn't be screwed like you were, you'd rather tell the people who follow you to **** off and get bent.

Mindboggling stupidity.

Isles you can be the first to drown in that river. Zero sympathy. If the rules weren't change before 97 or after then why should they be changed now. Everyone knows that rule or should know it by now. Why should the outcome be any different. So what Stern is suppose to say, 'hey now. I am not going to suspend you guys, I just like to suspend Knick players whenever I can get a chance especially in the playoffs.'
Come on. If they change the rule in the off-season, fine, great, wonderful. But this isn't the off-season.

So Diaw and Stoudemire walking 10-15 feet up the line was an incident?

What they did was just as harmless as what Duncan did. The Suns get suspended, while Duncan doesn't even get a technical for coming on the court.

No, having them walk up wasn't an incident and having Duncan walk out wasn't an incident. It isn't an issue of what the person did while on the court.

It is an issue of what was happening on the court when the players walked out. There was an altercation when Diaw and Stoudemire walked out. There wasn't when Duncan did. End of story.

Again, if you don't like the rule and if you think it is stupid (which I don't, and it is) hate on the rule. It was interpreted fairly. The problem is with the rule itself, not with the interpretation.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I think he's a total Hypocrite Dope. He eliminated the 5gm series in the first round and expanded it to 7gms. He changed the playoff format this post season to make it more difficult for powerhouses to meet too early. He's gimmicked up drafts. All because he wants to have the greatest possibility of seeing the best teams compete. But then inserts some handcuffing rule as this, knowing it's natural instinct to protect those of your own and hands out the stiffest of penalties if violated. Taking away the greatest chance to see the best teams compete.


WCE=WORST COMMISH EVER

He is, and I understand the rule, I mean rudy Tomjanovic almost got killed by kermit washington and rudy was running to be a peace maker. You can't really judge guys intentions in situations like that, but there has to be some sort of way to sit down, watch the film and make a decision with certain exceptions. No punches were thrown, no one was hurt, I mean what is the upside of sitting two of the suns better players in a highly contested series?

this has 1997 written all over it..

Every since he sat on the throne the NBA's Integrity has been in question. He obviously has no clue nor cares what public opinion of him is. You poll most fans like you and I, fans who know the pulse of this league he gets 5 thumbs down through and through. Watch the league take off once he's gone.

Stern is a clown, he is good at marketing, but he doesn't know squat about the NBA game, he has sold his integrity to try and make this game so global, his mistake was trying to sell basketball to the world and not the NBA, and by doing so he has sold the NBA down the river, the silly rule changes, the silly rules, the lack of understanding by the leagues referees on how to consistently call a game, this guy has stuck his ugly finger so deep in this league he has run away a lot of true fans. you are right when he leaves the overall play of the league will be better..

stern has made ALOT of money for ALOT of people (owners AND players included). the guy is one of the best (if not the best) commissioner in all of sports. it is a business afterall.

Posted by mythfaze:

So Diaw and Stoudemire walking 10-15 feet up the line was an incident?

What they did was just as harmless as what Duncan did. The Suns get suspended, while Duncan doesn't even get a technical for coming on the court.

No, having them walk up wasn't an incident and having Duncan walk out wasn't an incident. It isn't an issue of what the person did while on the court.

It is an issue of what was happening on the court when the players walked out. There was an altercation when Diaw and Stoudemire walked out. There wasn't when Duncan did. End of story.

Again, if you don't like the rule and if you think it is stupid (which I don't, and it is) hate on the rule. It was interpreted fairly. The problem is with the rule itself, not with the interpretation.

No, the problem is with both the rule and the interpretation.

If there were no altercation, why was Duncan walking on the court? If it were just a normal play then why was Duncan on the court? Why was the ref running toward the players involved?

Based on the "letter of the law" interpretation of the rule, Duncan should have been suspended. He wasn't. Therefore there's an inconsistency in how the NBA disciplines it's players. That's BS.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I think he's a total Hypocrite Dope. He eliminated the 5gm series in the first round and expanded it to 7gms. He changed the playoff format this post season to make it more difficult for powerhouses to meet too early. He's gimmicked up drafts. All because he wants to have the greatest possibility of seeing the best teams compete. But then inserts some handcuffing rule as this, knowing it's natural instinct to protect those of your own and hands out the stiffest of penalties if violated. Taking away the greatest chance to see the best teams compete.


WCE=WORST COMMISH EVER

He is, and I understand the rule, I mean rudy Tomjanovic almost got killed by kermit washington and rudy was running to be a peace maker. You can't really judge guys intentions in situations like that, but there has to be some sort of way to sit down, watch the film and make a decision with certain exceptions. No punches were thrown, no one was hurt, I mean what is the upside of sitting two of the suns better players in a highly contested series?

this has 1997 written all over it..

Every since he sat on the throne the NBA's Integrity has been in question. He obviously has no clue nor cares what public opinion of him is. You poll most fans like you and I, fans who know the pulse of this league he gets 5 thumbs down through and through. Watch the league take off once he's gone.

Stern is a clown, he is good at marketing, but he doesn't know squat about the NBA game, he has sold his integrity to try and make this game so global, his mistake was trying to sell basketball to the world and not the NBA, and by doing so he has sold the NBA down the river, the silly rule changes, the silly rules, the lack of understanding by the leagues referees on how to consistently call a game, this guy has stuck his ugly finger so deep in this league he has run away a lot of true fans. you are right when he leaves the overall play of the league will be better..

He rode Jordan's Hackey and never paid attention to the game. He's trying to turn the NBA into Euro style basketball. It's such a copycat league nowadays. Fans know more about GM's, Owners, personal trainers, where the towel boy parks his car for games than about the game and the nuances itself. Todays NBA fan at least the ones who attend games vs yr's past are infinitely dumber and he's solely repsonsible for it.

Yea, Bird and magic saved the NBA, jordan elevated it, but stern never seemed to have a plan for the league after Jordan. His biggest mistake was turning the NBA into Eurobasketball. Nothing wrong with euro players but the beauty of the NBA was that good players learned to adapt to this league, Dirk wasn't the first good euro, hell guys like Detlef shremph had great NBA careers, he learned to adapt to the NBA game, he wasn't a star but a damn good player, he adapted and the league remained true.. Stern rules basically eliminated the true back to the basket big man that is why we see so many hybrid forward/ centers, kids watch TV and outside of shaq and now duncan the back to the basket game died with Hakeem and Ewing to some extent, even Ewing became a jump shooter.... And let me ask, how many players were undeservingly elevated in sterns quest to find the Next "jordan"? what a joke..

[Edited by - tkf on 05-15-2007 10:43 PM]