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TrueBlue
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5/15/2007  12:09 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Doesn't the writers vote?

If so, then the league controls the Media?

Mavs won 67 games which is no small total. Team leader is Dirk. Logical choice. If Suns won more games then I think Nash gets it.

Dirk won't get it for playoffs.


Yeah but IMO this is a cop out way to give an MVP award without judicially using other criteria. If you look at the Mavs this yr they had very few injuries so obviously they stood a good chance to have the best record. Dirk wasn't the player who had his best yr on his team but it was the improved play of Josh Howard and you could arguably say Jason Terry had his best yr as a Mav. The team's record shouldn't be the strongest criteria, although I'm not saying Steve got robbed. The media is straight KOOL-AID and no one has a mind of their own. This award, of all awards, has been a joke for about 20yrs strong.

If that's the case how come a Piston didn't win it last yr?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-15-2007 11:10 AM]
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5/15/2007  12:25 PM
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5/15/2007  12:28 PM
Arguably the best player on the team with the best regular season record.

The guy shot over 50% from the field and 41% from 3.

Seems justifiable.
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5/15/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Arguably the best player on the team with the best regular season record.

The guy shot over 50% from the field and 41% from 3.

Seems justifiable.

Why didn't a Detroit Piston win it last yr if that's the case.
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5/15/2007  1:11 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Andrew:

Arguably the best player on the team with the best regular season record.

The guy shot over 50% from the field and 41% from 3.

Seems justifiable.

Why didn't a Detroit Piston win it last yr if that's the case.

cause not one player stood out amongst the rest.
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5/15/2007  1:14 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Andrew:

Arguably the best player on the team with the best regular season record.

The guy shot over 50% from the field and 41% from 3.

Seems justifiable.



Why didn't a Detroit Piston win it last yr if that's the case.

cause not one player stood out amongst the rest.

Billups had his best season as a pro last yr and Dirk had one of his more mediocre yrs as a pro this yr.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-15-2007 12:23 PM]
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5/15/2007  1:19 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Andrew:

Arguably the best player on the team with the best regular season record.

The guy shot over 50% from the field and 41% from 3.

Seems justifiable.


Billups had his best season as a pro last yr and Dirk had one of his more mediocre yrs as a pro this yr.
Why didn't a Detroit Piston win it last yr if that's the case.

cause not one player stood out amongst the rest.

it's not an award for best season as a pro, it's one for who carried the team the most. Subtract Dirk from the team and Dallas is just not the same. Subtract Billups and I don't think you see as much of a dropoff.
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5/15/2007  1:25 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Andrew:

Arguably the best player on the team with the best regular season record.

The guy shot over 50% from the field and 41% from 3.

Seems justifiable.


Billups had his best season as a pro last yr and Dirk had one of his more mediocre yrs as a pro this yr.
Why didn't a Detroit Piston win it last yr if that's the case.

cause not one player stood out amongst the rest.

it's not an award for best season as a pro, it's one for who carried the team the most. Subtract Dirk from the team and Dallas is just not the same. Subtract Billups and I don't think you see as much of a dropoff.


Martin I agree with you to an extent but then what if you take Lebron off of Cleveland LOL! take Kobe off the Lakers LOL!
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5/15/2007  1:29 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Andrew:

Arguably the best player on the team with the best regular season record.

The guy shot over 50% from the field and 41% from 3.

Seems justifiable.


Billups had his best season as a pro last yr and Dirk had one of his more mediocre yrs as a pro this yr.
Why didn't a Detroit Piston win it last yr if that's the case.

cause not one player stood out amongst the rest.

it's not an award for best season as a pro, it's one for who carried the team the most. Subtract Dirk from the team and Dallas is just not the same. Subtract Billups and I don't think you see as much of a dropoff.


Martin I agree with you to an extent but then what if you take Lebron off of Cleveland LOL! take Kobe off the Lakers LOL!

it's also about season record. Come on man. It's not that hard to figure out.
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5/15/2007  1:36 PM
That's why this award is FRAUDY.

Last yr the reason Steve won his second the argument was he lost Amare and made everyone around him have career yrs. The yr before it was biggest season win total turnaround and overall record. It's a different standard every yr.

What happens if a team doesn't lose a key player, what if a team isn't starting from a low win total, what if a team stays relatively healthy while the majority of the league gets hit hard with injuries? Say if Memphis or Boston wins 55gms next yr does that mean Gasol or Paul automatically deserve Top 5 consideration?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-15-2007 12:37 PM]
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5/15/2007  1:36 PM
Yeah, I think the Dirk pick was reasonable. It could've easily gone to Nash too, but I think the tiebreaker was Nash already had two, Dirk had none. I don't think it's hard to figure out either.

Certainly almost everything that the NBA does can be debated, but it is what it is.
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5/15/2007  1:38 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

That's why this award is FRAUDY.

Last yr the reason Steve won his second the argument was he lost Amare and made everyone around have career yrs. The yr before it was biggest season win total turnaround and overall record. It's a different standard every yr.

What happens if a team doesn't lose a key player, what if a team isn't starting from a low win total, what if a team stays relatively healthy while the majority of the league gets hit hard with injuries? Say if Memphis or Boston wins 55gms next yr does that mean Gasol or Paul automatically deserve Top 5 consideration?

it's based on one player's VALUE to the team, which is gray at best, so it's not unreasonable to say the parameters change.

It's also voted on by different writers from year to year, so you can understand why the system may move from year to year.
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5/15/2007  2:05 PM
People vote with their heads and hearts. Sometimes they want to give it to one guy one year but just can't because another guy was the obvious choice, so they give it to the guy at the next opportunity.

Two years ago I thought Shaq should have gotten the award over Nash, but I thought Nash was an equally good a choice, just would have been my second because I think there is something wrong with Shaq only winning 1 MVP for his entire career. Sometimes two guys are equally worthy and you use tactics to help you make a decision. That's using one's heart, not fraud.

Dirk's been a viable candidate for several years, this just happened to be his year because no one else really stood above him. Sometimes it's about the level of competition.

Nash would have been a viable choice this year, as would Kobe and Duncan. This was Dirk's year.
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5/15/2007  2:23 PM
Player, Team			1st	2nd 	3rd	4th 	5th 	Total Points
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 83 39 7 -- -- 1138
Steve Nash, Phoenix 44 74 11 -- -- 1013
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 2 11 65 30 9 521
Tim Duncan, San Antonio - 3 25 39 23 286
LeBron James, Cleveland -- -- 11 31 35 183
Tracy McGrady, Houston -- 2 6 16 18 110
Chris Bosh, Toronto -- -- 3 4 16 43
Gilbert Arenas, Washington -- -- 1 4 14 31
Kevin Garnett, Minnesota -- -- -- 2 1 7
Carlos Boozer, Utah -- -- -- 1 4 7
Chauncey Billups, Detroit -- -- -- 1 1 4
Dwyane Wade, Miami -- -- -- -- 3 3
Shaquille O’Neal, Miami -- -- -- 1 -- 3
Amaré Stoudemire, Phoenix -- -- -- -- 2 2
Carmelo Anthony, Denver -- -- -- -- 1 1
Baron Davis, Golden State -- -- -- -- 1 1
Tony Parker, San Antonio -- -- -- -- 1 1
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5/15/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

People vote with their heads and hearts. Sometimes they want to give it to one guy one year but just can't because another guy was the obvious choice, so they give it to the guy at the next opportunity.

Two years ago I thought Shaq should have gotten the award over Nash, but I thought Nash was an equally good a choice, just would have been my second because I think there is something wrong with Shaq only winning 1 MVP for his entire career. Sometimes two guys are equally worthy and you use tactics to help you make a decision. That's using one's heart, not fraud.

Dirk's been a viable candidate for several years, this just happened to be his year because no one else really stood above him. Sometimes it's about the level of competition.

Nash would have been a viable choice this year, as would Kobe and Duncan. This was Dirk's year.

This is borderline looking for such candidate to be in the fold before jump and when player proves to be, he's automatically getting your vote. It should be a standard criteria, that never changes and it's obvious there isn't one. Dirk was everyone lead lock MVP candidate by the 30gm of the season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-15-2007 1:31 PM]
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5/15/2007  2:33 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

People vote with their heads and hearts. Sometimes they want to give it to one guy one year but just can't because another guy was the obvious choice, so they give it to the guy at the next opportunity.

Two years ago I thought Shaq should have gotten the award over Nash, but I thought Nash was an equally good a choice, just would have been my second because I think there is something wrong with Shaq only winning 1 MVP for his entire career. Sometimes two guys are equally worthy and you use tactics to help you make a decision. That's using one's heart, not fraud.

Dirk's been a viable candidate for several years, this just happened to be his year because no one else really stood above him. Sometimes it's about the level of competition.

Nash would have been a viable choice this year, as would Kobe and Duncan. This was Dirk's year.

This is borderline looking for such candidate to be in the fold before jump and when players proves to be he's automatically getting your vote.

I'm not even sure what you're talking about? Because I would have voted for Shaq two years ago over Nash? I wasn't looking to give it to him before the season began, it was because he came into camp in the best shape he'd been in years and made the heat instant contenders. I though his impact was felt on the heat every bit as much as Nash's was on the Suns.

If he had a sub-par season I wouldn't have felt that way in the least.
It should be a standard criteria that never changes and it's obvious there isn't one. Dirk was everyone lead lock MVP candidate by the 30gm of the season.

It's a vote, the winner wins by majority. Stop trying to scandalize it so much. I bet the process picks the right guy just as much as the wrong, this year included. Dirk was worthy, he led the team to the best record in the league, and in my opinion they aren't that strong of a support cast.

Why is this all so hard for you to accept?

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5/15/2007  4:38 PM
What's so difficult to understand?
It's SUBJECTIVE. It's not a damn formula.
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5/15/2007  6:38 PM
Because he is from Canada. Giving 2 of anything to a Canadian is two too many.
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