the guy is not a great offensive player, he shoots ver low % and is slow. I dont want him not worth it

There are so many misperceptions about Ron:

Solace, what exactly would be like pouring oil on a fire? Artest brings an attitude of accountability to the Knicks, as he has NEVER EVER been criticized for not playing hard or not exerting effort on D (two problems the Knicks ran into a lot).

Yea the guy is crazy but what does that mean? He breaks TVs when they lose? his insanity won't rub off on teammates, but his effort and intensity will. why wouldn't you want a guy who plays hard every night on this team?

Elite is this a serious post? The very fact that he is limited on offense should be a reason the Knicks add him. Between all the chuckers on this team you don't want to add an All NBA First team defender who puts offense second? Who cares if he shoots a low %, he'd be coming to his hometown team and I'm sure he'd be more than willing to embrace the role of defensive stopper (hint: he's done this everywhere but Sacramento where he HAD to shoulder the offensive load) and would focus solely on disrupting other teams' offenses every night.

05-06: first team nba all-defense
03-04: nba defensive player of the year; leading vote getter for 1st team all-defense; all-star and 3rd team all-nba
02-03: runner up to big ben for defensive player of the year and somehow wound up on the second team for all-defense

people forget before the brawl he was arguably the most feared two-way player in the League. then he sat a year out and had a bad year in sactown (as did everyone on that team except kevin martin). this guy is a stud.

here is a little excerpt from his nba.com profile:
He held some of the league’s top scorers well below their average, including:
-Stephon Marbury (22.9 ppg) of Phoenix, 3/30, 10 points on 4-19 FGS and 2-3 FTS.
-Dirk Nowitzki (24.6 ppg) of Dallas, 11/28, 17 points on 4-20 FGS and 9-13 FTS.
-Tracy McGrady (32.1 ppg) of Orlando, 11/22, 13 points on 6-19 FGS, 0-2 3-pt FGS and 1-1 FT. And 23 points, 1/10, on 9-22 FGS, 1-5 3-pt FGS and 4-5 FTS.
-Jerry Stackhouse (21.9 ppg) of Washington, 11/26, six points on 2-16 FGS, 0-3 3-pt FGS and 2-2 FTS; 12 points, 2/25, on 3-14 FGS, 1-6 3-pt FGS and 5-6 FTS.
-Antawn Jamison (22.3 ppg) of Golden State, 3/4, 11 points on 5-9 FGS and 1-2 FTS.
-Allan Houston (22.7 ppg) of New York, 11/8, 14 points on 3-16 FGS and 8-8 FTS.
-Kobe Bryant (29.9 ppg) of Los Angeles, 3/5, 20 points on 9-26 FGS, 0-3 3-pt FGS and 2-3 FTS.
-Jalen Rose (22.2 ppg) of Chicago, 12/20, 18 points on 7-24 FGS, 1-6 3-pt FGS and 3-4 FTS; 12 points, 3/28, on 5-14 FGS, 1-5 3-pt FGS and 1-2 FTS

that is an impressive, impressive resume. and ppl say he doesn't shoot a high enough percentage! wtf is that all about. thats like trading for manny ramirez and saying he doesn't play good left field. you're overlooking the fact that he's the best natural righty of a generation. saying artest doesn't score at a high % is totally inane.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-16-2007 01:25 AM]

If Isiah couldn't control A.D.D Nate Robinson, how will he control the volatile Ron Artest?

Ron Artest the basketball player far outweighs the Ron Artest the thug. This is definetely a high risk high payoff move, and we're not good enough to not take this chance.

when was the last full season artest put together - performing at the level we'd be expecting of him?

if he'd make us so much better, why couldn't he do the same for his last few teams?

why is his current team's #1 priority to get rid of him?

why is his current team's #2 priority after dropping him to change the attitude and culture of their roster?

Posted by BigSm00th:

OK but I don't see how Artest's attitude is going to rub off on others. Explain that to me. Is Nate going to ask for time off to promote a rap album?

The only thing thats going to rub off on the younger players is Artest playing hard D for every second he is on the floor, always hustling, always wanting to win. I'd take that and the risk that he might do some weird, Ron Artest type nonsense. Its worth it to have arguably the best 2 way player in the League.

Like I said, if you want Artest, fine... but you have to surround him with leaders to keep him in line. It's not about Artest corrupting Nate. It's about opening up the zoo. Marbury, Nate, Artest, Snacks, Francis, and lazy Curry on the team.

Let's think of it this way, create a zoo environment, what happens when David Lee is a free agent. Maybe he signs with another team because he doesn't like the cancer that is the New York Knicks. Artest has already failed with multiple teams in consecutive years. What makes you think he'll be better in New York? It's wishful thinking, but most likely we're getting Rodman part 2. For as good as Artest is, unless you keep him in line, he's useless to the team.

Put it this way, add Artest to the Knicks and the Knicks win anywhere from 12 to 50 games. 50 games if everything goes well, 12 games if Artest, Nate, Curry and Marbury get suspended for the year when their fight spills into the stands.

This team has a TERRIBLE culture, no leadership and a lot of impressionable young kids. It's a recipe for disaster if you add another hot headed moron to the mix. So before you can get someone like Artest, you HAVE to surround the kids with a culture of leadership, accountability and an environment that Artest can thrive in.

Artest is NOT the things you said; that's bogus. His desire to win is questionable. If he wanted to win so much, why he'd cause so many problems in the places he's been? Artest can BECOME that player if you surround him in the right environment. The current Knicks are not that environment. That's all I'm saying.

oh another question. has this Knicks administration made one successful reclamation project yet? marbury, tim thomas, mo taylor, jerome james, eddy curry, jalen rose, steve francis, nate? have any of those guys magically "gotten it" under isiah?

This team sucks, plain and simple and there is no accountability any where. The coach thinks he is the leader and he brought in steve francis who has a far worse history than artest, by the way. He nearly leads the league in techs, threatened to retire and sulked every place he went......

this team is not going to undergo a major change from within, and considering all the knicks believe they were robbed because of injuries i think we need to guy. If he clashes with guys fine, i for one would like him to beat the piss out of a few players on this team, because these guys are a disgrace to this city.......

if it doesn't work out fine, he is gone very soon