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holfresh
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5/13/2007  6:16 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:
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Maybe, but I wouldn't hestitate for a second in trading Cancerbury for Hinrich. Nor would anyone sane on this board. Period.

Really...You want Hinrich at 11 mil per starting next year when Marbs rolls off the books in another two...I must be insane....

actually, $11 mil is the peak value of his contract, which then decreases every year thereafter.

07/08 $11 age 26
08/09 $10 age 27
09/10 $9.5 age 28
10/11 $9 age 29
11/12 $8 age 30

that's not a bad way to structure a contract. ben wallace's deal decreases over time also (at about $500,000 per year).

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-13-2007 5:46 PM]

What a friggin deal! Our contracts must say stupid all over them.

Hinrich is a 7 mil per year player at best...I wouldn't call that a deal....

Hirich will make as much as Curry over the same period...anything??...




[Edited by - holfresh on 05-13-2007 6:18 PM]
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5/13/2007  6:20 PM
Hinrich is a 7 mil per year player at best...I wouldn't call that a deal....

11 Mil is a hell of a lot better than any of our' contracts. And pretty sad, if he's only worth 7.

[Edited by - 4949 on 05-13-2007 6:21 PM]
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5/13/2007  6:23 PM
^^^ What??? 4949, you really go over board with the nonsense.
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5/13/2007  6:23 PM
You forget. The bulls played the same league, just like our Knicks. They played mostly the same teams that we did and they made playoffs and took it to the second round, with the help of ailing Miami. We were worried about trying to get to .500.
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5/13/2007  6:24 PM
Posted by Anji:

^^^ What??? 4949, you really go over board with the nonsense.

It's the truth though right? That's why your so mad!
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5/13/2007  6:29 PM
What is the truth??? Hinrich makes more then everybody on our team not named Marbury or Francis. It's stupid just plain stupid, why would I be madd???
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5/13/2007  6:31 PM
Come on Anji, show us the list! Why do we have the all-time highest payroll. You gonna say starbury and francine make all of that money? Rediculous! You make it sound like our lousy contracts are a bunch of angels.
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5/13/2007  6:34 PM
Posted by 4949:

Come on Anji, show us the list! Why do we have the all-time highest payroll. You gonna say starbury and francine make all of that money? Rediculous! You make it sound like our lousy contracts are a bunch of angels.

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
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5/13/2007  6:35 PM
Posted by 4949:
Hinrich is a 7 mil per year player at best...I wouldn't call that a deal....

11 Mil is a hell of a lot better than any of our' contracts. And pretty sad, if he's only worth 7.

[Edited by - 4949 on 05-13-2007 6:21 PM]
Hinrich's deal is a better one than any of our non-rookie players have
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5/13/2007  6:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:
Hinrich is a 7 mil per year player at best...I wouldn't call that a deal....

11 Mil is a hell of a lot better than any of our' contracts. And pretty sad, if he's only worth 7.

[Edited by - 4949 on 05-13-2007 6:21 PM]
Hinrich's deal is a better one than any of our non-rookie players have

U think Hinrich's deal is better than Curry's...excluding the lottery picks of course?

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5/13/2007  6:41 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by 4949:

Come on Anji, show us the list! Why do we have the all-time highest payroll. You gonna say starbury and francine make all of that money? Rediculous! You make it sound like our lousy contracts are a bunch of angels.

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Come on holfresh, put it in URL quotations.

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
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5/13/2007  6:42 PM
U think Hinrich's deal is better than Curry's...excluding the lottery picks of course?


Well' if your going to conveniently exclude the picks, than yeah, it's slightly better. But that would just be fooling yourself.
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5/13/2007  6:53 PM
Who cares what Hinrich is getting paid? He's an OK player, but nothing more. I really don't see what the big deal is with this guy.

Sure it's easy to bash Steph and his career, but you have to put things in perspective. The Bulls have done a good job in building their team and Kirk benefits from that. You put him on some of offensively deficient teams Steph had and I doubt he does very well. Those teams needed a scorer just to stay in games. Circumstances have a LOT to do with a players success. Just ask Jordan, Kobe, KG, TMac, AI, Pierce etc. If you constantly play with inferior teams or teams at the early stages of development, then you're not going to have much success. Steph had that very problem for much of his career. The T'Wolves were mostly young and incomplete, Nets just stunk and were never healthy, PHX was young and incomplete and here in NY it's been a mixture of both. I believe that the end of his career he'll have more success than he's had his entire career. As this team get's better, his role won't be as large as it once was, but the TEAM will be better. We'll have more consistency going forward and I think that will really help to make things better. His stay here will be the longest he's stayed on any one team and in the end I think it will finally pay off.
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5/13/2007  7:03 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:
Hinrich is a 7 mil per year player at best...I wouldn't call that a deal....

11 Mil is a hell of a lot better than any of our' contracts. And pretty sad, if he's only worth 7.

[Edited by - 4949 on 05-13-2007 6:21 PM]
Hinrich's deal is a better one than any of our non-rookie players have

U think Hinrich's deal is better than Curry's...excluding the lottery picks of course?

How can you exclude the picks? Why not exclude the salary while you're at it?
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5/13/2007  7:21 PM

My mistake, I thought we were talking contracts here...

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5/13/2007  7:28 PM
Posted by holfresh:


My mistake, I thought we were talking contracts here...


I thought we were talking "deals." That's the word you used. Either way, at the same price I'd rather have Hinrich than Curry. Curry is a lazy career loser. Hinrich is versatile and plays hard. It's not stunning that he's achieving more success already than Eddy has in six years.
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5/13/2007  7:40 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Who cares what Hinrich is getting paid? He's an OK player, but nothing more. I really don't see what the big deal is with this guy.

Sure it's easy to bash Steph and his career, but you have to put things in perspective. The Bulls have done a good job in building their team and Kirk benefits from that. You put him on some of offensively deficient teams Steph had and I doubt he does very well. Those teams needed a scorer just to stay in games. Circumstances have a LOT to do with a players success. Just ask Jordan, Kobe, KG, TMac, AI, Pierce etc. If you constantly play with inferior teams or teams at the early stages of development, then you're not going to have much success. Steph had that very problem for much of his career. The T'Wolves were mostly young and incomplete, Nets just stunk and were never healthy, PHX was young and incomplete and here in NY it's been a mixture of both. I believe that the end of his career he'll have more success than he's had his entire career. As this team get's better, his role won't be as large as it once was, but the TEAM will be better. We'll have more consistency going forward and I think that will really help to make things better. His stay here will be the longest he's stayed on any one team and in the end I think it will finally pay off.

The reason his stay is longer here is because no other GM was fool enough to sign him to long, high priced contract. As far as him being better now, that might be possible, but how many starbury mistakes it going to take to even convince himself to just shut it, sit when told to and do nothing until told to, without him opening up his ever lasting big mouth? To me, the best of Marbury was destroyed by the best of starbury! I don't want to talk about the person here. It's his job to play basketball. He gets paid millions of dollars every year, for years. I always wanted to know about the basketball player and to tel you the truth, I myself have been so beat down by the starbury, I just simply do not trust him anymore. I don't think I'd trust him even if he did' play his best basketball game this next year or the year after. It's a matter of trust. That's what it has come down to. I have no more patience with the best of Marbury that is yet to come. You and the others can beleive and believe even when he retires, all the more power to all of you. But with me? I've heard it all. It should always be about basketball. It should never be about the 'me' thing ever. The mentality is very much a part of the fundamentals of this game, any game really and if you don't posses it, then chances are you never will and will probably be criticized by it. The problem with Marbs is 'he was never told to shut up'! And people always just give him the slap on the wrist. Brown tried to do it and he ended up being OUT! So no one should touch starbury or else. That's the way I see it.
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5/13/2007  7:40 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:


My mistake, I thought we were talking contracts here...


I thought we were talking "deals." That's the word you used. Either way, at the same price I'd rather have Hinrich than Curry. Curry is a lazy career loser. Hinrich is versatile and plays hard. It's not stunning that he's achieving more success already than Eddy has in six years.

Well to me...Curry is a borderline franchise player that garners double and triple teams...Hinrich is a adequate to good player?...Not close to what Curry has brought to the table this year...Curry has a long way to go in all our opinions..Thats because we think he has the potential to be that good...In Hinrich's case, how much more do you expect...I really don't want to bash Hinrich, he is a good kid and I have tons of respect for his effort everytime he steps on the court...But please don't tell me he is a better asset than Curry at his price...or any price for that matter...





[Edited by - holfresh on 05-13-2007 7:47 PM]
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5/13/2007  7:52 PM
I'd trade Marbury for Hinrich because of the age factor, but I agree that Marbury is a better player right now.
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5/13/2007  8:59 PM
I'd trade Marbury in his prime for the Hinrich of today. It's almost like saying who would you rather have Jamal Crawford or Shane Battier.
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