Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bigbeast:

Trueblue-

Who are these Ghost posters who said it was fair to trade 2 first rounders for Curry? Attach names, or post evidnece. This isn't the first time you've called out ghost-posters and cited invisible threads only visible to your eyes in an attempt to make your point seem valid.

I like Curry, but I have gone on record numerous times saying that Isiah made a mistake not protecting last yrs pick in the lotto and then on top of that giving up the right to swap this yrs pick.

Again, show proof of these threads......

Ghost posters? Are you really saying you think there are zero posters here who like the Eddy Curry deal?

I think there are many people here who like Eddy Curry (myself included). I'm not so sure anyone is happy that Isiah out bid himself and gave up two of our lotto picks (one was a swap) in the process.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bigbeast:

Trueblue-

Who are these Ghost posters who said it was fair to trade 2 first rounders for Curry? Attach names, or post evidnece. This isn't the first time you've called out ghost-posters and cited invisible threads only visible to your eyes in an attempt to make your point seem valid.

I like Curry, but I have gone on record numerous times saying that Isiah made a mistake not protecting last yrs pick in the lotto and then on top of that giving up the right to swap this yrs pick.

Again, show proof of these threads......

Ghost posters? Are you really saying you think there are zero posters here who like the Eddy Curry deal?

LOL I was thinking to myself pick a thread any thread.

We could start a thread about dingleberries and sure nough someone out of the blue will pop in say "Hey I'm really liking that Curry trade more and more and have since day one".

No one is happy that we gave up unprotected picks. Who would actually LIKE that. A case can be made that we haven't yet been killed by losing those picks, but that is something you do after the fact. I believe that poster are saying they like what we have in Curry. That doesn't necessarily mean they love losing the "potential" that those picks had. As of yet we haven't really seen a better player come from that trade. We don't know if this years pick will be either. It will take YEARS before we have an answer to that ?

I think that all of this is a distraction from the most important point in all this. JO is a different type of deal at a different time in this teams development. JO himself is at a different point in his career than Curry, who admittedly was mostly still living on potential. We already Know what JO is. We know he's better than anyone we have at PF, but there are other considerations. Is he worth the risk at this point in his career and what his impact would be for this team in terms of the cap. Will he make enough of a difference to warrant erasing any chance of having cap flexibility?

Posted by Bonn1997:

Now I know JO isn't exaclty over the hill, but he'll be 29 at the start of next season and I'm not sure how he'll hold up over the rest of his contract.

Let's be generous to both players and say that JO has five more years left and Eddy has 8 left. (Considering how much weight Eddy's legs have to carry around, I'd say that's generous.) It would be hard to justify building your team around Eddy for 8 seasons rather than around JO for five.

Can you be so confident that JO will actually play more than 70 games in each of those 5 years. Especially since he's rarely done that? I'm not saying that JO isn't a gifted player that when healthy is worth building a team around. I just question the risk of banking on him now and bascially killing any chance at landing someone better in 2 yrs. It's not a slam dunk. That's really all that i'm saying. Isiah will have to really think long and hard about all of his options and how good he thinks JO would be for this team. Is it just mid playoffs good or Title good? What are JO's prospects for resuming his career relatively injury free? He just had Arthroscopic Surgery to repair torn cartilage in his Knee. Exactly how are his Knees? There are some legit concerns.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I was merely laying out the plus and minus of any potential deal for JO. I'm not in favor of JO, MOSTLY due to the cap hit

Sorry but you can't be an Isiah supporter and be worried about the salary cap. That's just absurd

More evidence of Inconsistency

OH PLEASE!!! GET REAL!!! As USUAL you guys are TOTALLY LOST!!! When it came to the Knicks everyone knows that we didn't have to worry about the cap so long as we had all those big long contracts still being paid off. NOW the thinking has to shift to meet the current situation. We've come to a point where our biggest contracts are up in 2 more years. WHY should we have worried about the cap back when we had no chance to get under until the big contracts ran out. At that time it made sense to go ahead and make deals regardless of the cost, since it wasn't going to change the fact that we were over the cap. So we made deals in an effort to improve the team. The thing is that we don't have any HUGE contracts after the end of 2008/09. We can make a deal for a bigtime FA at that time, so the situation is COMPLETELY different.

You guys are pathetic in your attempts to paint some of us as hypocrites or being out of touch. No one is stupid here. We all know how this works just the same as you do. No one was advocating spending like fools for all eternity. You worry about the cap when you have an honest chance to be substantially under it.
It's clear that there's been an effort to keep things within reason so that in 2009 we could make a play in the FA market. At that time the team will still have reasonable levels of youth and we can make a good 4-6 year run when the teams playeres should be at their peak.

Isiah wouldn't have given $60 mil to Jerome James and Jared Jeffries in a 12 month span if he had had any plans to get under the cap. Actually, the payroll has gone up every year under Isiah and every year under Dolan. You know what psychologists have reliably found to be the best predictor of future behavior? It's hardly stunning but the answer is, past behavior! That's what worries me so much about the team's payroll and about Eddy.