NO actually its not, and just another clear factor of someone not watching the games. If your Isiah Thomas you have proven to be a horrible judge of cohesive talent, mature and intelligent basketball players and are inflexible to making the necessary adjustments because you don't have any concept of your teams stregths.

He misses Jamal? Why? No guard besides steve francis plays more suspect defense at his positions, he constanly doesn't run the offense, and takes igniting shots that lead to fast break points, and aside for the occasional curry lob, he holds the ball till the clock runs out......

Isiah was hot for Jerome James? Isiah was hot for Jared Jefferies? When has jefferies ever really locked up a two or a three, i would say probably never but he has him starting at the 3. Production is minimal and Balkman is pulling in dnps...

Frye is struggling, so what do you do you play him at the four, give him no shots and make him a decoy to space the floor for eddy.

You decided to play lee a powerfoward at the three positions where he is guarding gerald wallace, how is his defense going to look.........

How about Lee's ability to rebound, run the floor, finish in transition, and effectively help run the offense and be selfless while getting other players involved while being the most efficient player in the nba?

Or Perhaps eddys ability to not pass, pile up turnovers, not block shots, rotate or be there for other teammates while swallowing the ball in the post has something to do with the knicks losing.

YOUR NEVER GOING TO WIN WITH CRAWFORD AND CURRY STARTING TOGETHER THEY ARE TOO DUMB, TO SELFISH, TO TURNOVER PRONE

Posted by MS:

NO actually its not, and just another clear factor of someone not watching the games. If your Isiah Thomas you have proven to be a horrible judge of cohesive talent, mature and intelligent basketball players and are inflexible to making the necessary adjustments because you don't have any concept of your teams stregths.

He misses Jamal? Why? No guard besides steve francis plays more suspect defense at his positions, he constanly doesn't run the offense, and takes igniting shots that lead to fast break points, and aside for the occasional curry lob, he holds the ball till the clock runs out......

Isiah was hot for Jerome James? Isiah was hot for Jared Jefferies? When has jefferies ever really locked up a two or a three, i would say probably never but he has him starting at the 3. Production is minimal and Balkman is pulling in dnps...

Frye is struggling, so what do you do you play him at the four, give him no shots and make him a decoy to space the floor for eddy.

You decided to play lee a powerfoward at the three positions where he is guarding gerald wallace, how is his defense going to look.........

How about Lee's ability to rebound, run the floor, finish in transition, and effectively help run the offense and be selfless while getting other players involved while being the most efficient player in the nba?
Or Perhaps eddys ability to not pass, pile up turnovers, not block shots, rotate or be there for other teammates while swallowing the ball in the post has something to do with the knicks losing.

YOUR NEVER GOING TO WIN WITH CRAWFORD AND CURRY STARTING TOGETHER THEY ARE TOO DUMB, TO SELFISH, TO TURNOVER PRONE

Curious. Why do you and most on this board go out of their way to defend Lee's defensive shortcommings and highlight his positives but wont do the same for Curry? Is it personal?

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by MS:

NO actually its not, and just another clear factor of someone not watching the games. If your Isiah Thomas you have proven to be a horrible judge of cohesive talent, mature and intelligent basketball players and are inflexible to making the necessary adjustments because you don't have any concept of your teams stregths.

He misses Jamal? Why? No guard besides steve francis plays more suspect defense at his positions, he constanly doesn't run the offense, and takes igniting shots that lead to fast break points, and aside for the occasional curry lob, he holds the ball till the clock runs out......

Isiah was hot for Jerome James? Isiah was hot for Jared Jefferies? When has jefferies ever really locked up a two or a three, i would say probably never but he has him starting at the 3. Production is minimal and Balkman is pulling in dnps...

Frye is struggling, so what do you do you play him at the four, give him no shots and make him a decoy to space the floor for eddy.

You decided to play lee a powerfoward at the three positions where he is guarding gerald wallace, how is his defense going to look.........

How about Lee's ability to rebound, run the floor, finish in transition, and effectively help run the offense and be selfless while getting other players involved while being the most efficient player in the nba?
Or Perhaps eddys ability to not pass, pile up turnovers, not block shots, rotate or be there for other teammates while swallowing the ball in the post has something to do with the knicks losing.

YOUR NEVER GOING TO WIN WITH CRAWFORD AND CURRY STARTING TOGETHER THEY ARE TOO DUMB, TO SELFISH, TO TURNOVER PRONE

Curious. Why do you and most on this board go out of their way to defend Lee's defensive shortcommings and highlight his positives but wont do the same for Curry? Is it personal?

i think it comes down to what was given up to acquire them.

just like steph and h20 were looked at as max players, thus ultimately dissapointing.

curry is looked at as a player we gave up 2 lotto picks for. not his fault, but it goes with the territory.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Other than Balkman, no one on this team can play defense. The Knicks haven't had a real defensive player since Sprewell left.

There was a thread on this board that asked "if the bulls win the championship and get the number 1 pick..." can anyone find that? I tried for a little bit but cannot find it.

I started that thread. And the question was simply to find out if it had been done before. It was not a freakin prediction.

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by MS:

NO actually its not, and just another clear factor of someone not watching the games. If your Isiah Thomas you have proven to be a horrible judge of cohesive talent, mature and intelligent basketball players and are inflexible to making the necessary adjustments because you don't have any concept of your teams stregths.

He misses Jamal? Why? No guard besides steve francis plays more suspect defense at his positions, he constanly doesn't run the offense, and takes igniting shots that lead to fast break points, and aside for the occasional curry lob, he holds the ball till the clock runs out......

Isiah was hot for Jerome James? Isiah was hot for Jared Jefferies? When has jefferies ever really locked up a two or a three, i would say probably never but he has him starting at the 3. Production is minimal and Balkman is pulling in dnps...

Frye is struggling, so what do you do you play him at the four, give him no shots and make him a decoy to space the floor for eddy.

You decided to play lee a powerfoward at the three positions where he is guarding gerald wallace, how is his defense going to look.........

How about Lee's ability to rebound, run the floor, finish in transition, and effectively help run the offense and be selfless while getting other players involved while being the most efficient player in the nba?
Or Perhaps eddys ability to not pass, pile up turnovers, not block shots, rotate or be there for other teammates while swallowing the ball in the post has something to do with the knicks losing.

YOUR NEVER GOING TO WIN WITH CRAWFORD AND CURRY STARTING TOGETHER THEY ARE TOO DUMB, TO SELFISH, TO TURNOVER PRONE

Curious. Why do you and most on this board go out of their way to defend Lee's defensive shortcommings and highlight his positives but wont do the same for Curry? Is it personal?

Hmmmmmm let's see. Lee is going into his 3rd yr and we're suppose to hammer him because he needs to improve his defensive game but provides so many intangibles which makes him essentially our MVP. Meanwhile Curry is going into his 7th yr and we're suppose to be encouraged by him improving very minimally 1 area of his game while sucking everywhere else.

Lee makes less than $1mil

Curry makes $9mil

Lee doesn't have a system built around him

Curry has a system built around him

as dj mentioned 4 picks were traded for Curry 2 of them unprotected

Lee none

Curry isn't trade bait

Lee is

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-11-2007 09:49 AM]

Posted by Panos:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Other than Balkman, no one on this team can play defense. The Knicks haven't had a real defensive player since Sprewell left.

There was a thread on this board that asked "if the bulls win the championship and get the number 1 pick..." can anyone find that? I tried for a little bit but cannot find it.

I started that thread. And the question was simply to find out if it had been done before. It was not a freakin prediction.

I don't care what you "freakin" thought or intended it to be. Can you find that thread?

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by Solace:

Wrong, bigbeast. Curry's pathetic excuse for defense = losses. Case in point, the New York Knicks.

Curry's Lee's pathetic excuse for defense = losses. Case in point, the New York Knicks. Is this accurate too?

No one said Lee's defense is good. But, at least he tries. You can't say the same for Curry. Lee is also considered a role player. Curry is considered a star by many. See the difference? I think the people who think we'll get Garnett for Lee are silly. I have no problem with criticizing Lee, but to be fair, he is a role player and is a second year player. Curry has already played six or seven NBA seasons. He should have learned effort by now, no?

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by MS:

NO actually its not, and just another clear factor of someone not watching the games. If your Isiah Thomas you have proven to be a horrible judge of cohesive talent, mature and intelligent basketball players and are inflexible to making the necessary adjustments because you don't have any concept of your teams stregths.

He misses Jamal? Why? No guard besides steve francis plays more suspect defense at his positions, he constanly doesn't run the offense, and takes igniting shots that lead to fast break points, and aside for the occasional curry lob, he holds the ball till the clock runs out......

Isiah was hot for Jerome James? Isiah was hot for Jared Jefferies? When has jefferies ever really locked up a two or a three, i would say probably never but he has him starting at the 3. Production is minimal and Balkman is pulling in dnps...

Frye is struggling, so what do you do you play him at the four, give him no shots and make him a decoy to space the floor for eddy.

You decided to play lee a powerfoward at the three positions where he is guarding gerald wallace, how is his defense going to look.........

How about Lee's ability to rebound, run the floor, finish in transition, and effectively help run the offense and be selfless while getting other players involved while being the most efficient player in the nba?
Or Perhaps eddys ability to not pass, pile up turnovers, not block shots, rotate or be there for other teammates while swallowing the ball in the post has something to do with the knicks losing.

YOUR NEVER GOING TO WIN WITH CRAWFORD AND CURRY STARTING TOGETHER THEY ARE TOO DUMB, TO SELFISH, TO TURNOVER PRONE

Curious. Why do you and most on this board go out of their way to defend Lee's defensive shortcommings and highlight his positives but wont do the same for Curry? Is it personal?

Hmmmmmm let's see. Lee is going into his 3rd yr and we're suppose to hammer him because he needs to improve his defensive game but provides so many intangibles which makes him essentially our MVP. Meanwhile Curry is going into his 7th yr and we're suppose to be encouraged by him improving very minimally 1 area of his game while sucking everywhere else.

Lee makes less than $1mil

Curry makes $9mil

Lee doesn't have a system built around him

Curry has a system built around him

as dj mentioned 4 picks were traded for Curry 2 of them unprotected

Lee none

Curry isn't trade bait

Lee is[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-11-2007 09:49 AM]

Okay, one at a time:

1. Salaries don't produce wins and losses.

2. You say Lee doesn't have a system built around him? Well, neither does Curry. You call Marbury, Craw, JJ etc a system? If it is, its an imcompetent one.

3. 4 picks traded for Curry was Isiahs blunder. No need to take that out on Curry.

4. When did Isiah say Lee was trade bait? When did he say Curry wasn't?

Posted by nixluva:

From my perspective the Bulls only have a few options to get the inside presence they need.

1. Get REAL lucky in the draft and end up with #1 or #2.
2. Catch a break and get a good big with a later pick.
3. Trade for Pau, JO or KG.

These are their options, cuz short of that I don't think they'll get to where they want to get simply by growing from within. I like Deng and they have some decent guys in Kirk and Ben on the perimeter. They have some good team defenders at PF and C, but almost no real scoring from there on the inside. They're pretty close to getting it right in a sense, but they have to make the right moves this summer to get further.

They don't need a superstar low post player--just a role player who can score with his back to the basket. They do have great assets to acquire one, though. And with cap room, they don't even have to worry about the salaries matching in any trades.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by nixluva:

From my perspective the Bulls only have a few options to get the inside presence they need.

1. Get REAL lucky in the draft and end up with #1 or #2.
2. Catch a break and get a good big with a later pick.
3. Trade for Pau, JO or KG.

These are their options, cuz short of that I don't think they'll get to where they want to get simply by growing from within. I like Deng and they have some decent guys in Kirk and Ben on the perimeter. They have some good team defenders at PF and C, but almost no real scoring from there on the inside. They're pretty close to getting it right in a sense, but they have to make the right moves this summer to get further.

They don't need a superstar low post player--just a role player who can score with his back to the basket. They do have great assets to acquire one, though. And with cap room, they don't even have to worry about the salaries matching in any trades.

Adding just a role player as an inside presence won't do it. That guy better be good enough for teams to feel the need to double him. If he's not good enough for that, then he won't really make a difference. Sweetney can score with his back to the basket and they tried to use him, but against a team with good defenders like Detroit they just stayed man to man inside with Rasheed on him or Webber.

Besides who is this role player that they can get who is a FA or on the block and a capable enough player to give major minutes inside?

So the knicks are better than the bulls?

I know you're not saying that, but it sure seems it.

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by MS:

NO actually its not, and just another clear factor of someone not watching the games. If your Isiah Thomas you have proven to be a horrible judge of cohesive talent, mature and intelligent basketball players and are inflexible to making the necessary adjustments because you don't have any concept of your teams stregths.

He misses Jamal? Why? No guard besides steve francis plays more suspect defense at his positions, he constanly doesn't run the offense, and takes igniting shots that lead to fast break points, and aside for the occasional curry lob, he holds the ball till the clock runs out......

Isiah was hot for Jerome James? Isiah was hot for Jared Jefferies? When has jefferies ever really locked up a two or a three, i would say probably never but he has him starting at the 3. Production is minimal and Balkman is pulling in dnps...

Frye is struggling, so what do you do you play him at the four, give him no shots and make him a decoy to space the floor for eddy.

You decided to play lee a powerfoward at the three positions where he is guarding gerald wallace, how is his defense going to look.........

How about Lee's ability to rebound, run the floor, finish in transition, and effectively help run the offense and be selfless while getting other players involved while being the most efficient player in the nba?
Or Perhaps eddys ability to not pass, pile up turnovers, not block shots, rotate or be there for other teammates while swallowing the ball in the post has something to do with the knicks losing.

YOUR NEVER GOING TO WIN WITH CRAWFORD AND CURRY STARTING TOGETHER THEY ARE TOO DUMB, TO SELFISH, TO TURNOVER PRONE

Curious. Why do you and most on this board go out of their way to defend Lee's defensive shortcommings and highlight his positives but wont do the same for Curry? Is it personal?

It's not personal at all. Lee comes up short on defense many times, but he gives it 110% every night, and that's why his positives get highlighted. Can't say the same for Curry.

Curry tries 110% of the time- its just- 100% on offense, 10% on defense.