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Silverfuel
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5/11/2007  11:11 AM
Posted by playa2:

Silverfuel Indians here upstate already is starting to run all of WNY.

They have their Casinos up here along with numerous gas stations/CIGARETTES with clothing stores and grocery stores and resturants attached. They have purchased property NUMEROUS BUILDINGS in downtown Niagara falls NY.Even bought out Pizza hut and shut the RESTURANT down AND STILL BUYING MORE LAND.

Indians own the Largest and Tallest Hotel in Town.

You say I don't have right thinking? I think you are misinformed.

Atty General Spitzer is still trying to make the indians pay taxes on gas/cigarettes....Indians are making money hand over fist upstate.
First off, NATIVE AMERICANS, NOT INDIANS!! BEING A MINORITY, I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO USE PROPER TERMINOLOGY! PLEASE! SHOW OTHERS SOME RESPECT OK! How would you like it if I called African Americans, Jamaican or something? Calling them "Indians" just sounds ignorant and reinforces the use of misused terminology. Kinda like the n-word!

And thats my point playa. They were wronged. They stole their land and isolated them in a reservation and cut them off! Thats bad! Instead of asking for further reparations, some Native American nations (Mashantucket Pequot etc) started casion's and found innovative ways of making money. They made something out of what they had. I think you are looking for an excuse to start a controversial thread.

And you use such a convenient out! You only bring the Native Americans but totally ignore the other communities. Why not fight for reparations for Asians in Africa, Indians (from India) in Trinidad, Central and South Americans etc. What about those? Please! You are the one that is misinformed. You are guilty of all the sins you are trying fight.
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5/11/2007  1:04 PM
Silver you are trying to make it sound like i'm starting trouble, I'm just making a topic of discussion.

And you are right I could have used the term "native americans" .

Now if you want to start up a thread based on your research or info on other minorities go right ahead the more the better.

My thread just so happen to be focused on afro americans in the UNITED STATES.

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5/11/2007  5:19 PM
afro Americans don't deserve to take money from me. Just try me. I'll fight you!
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5/11/2007  9:36 PM
Posted by playa2:

My thread just so happen to be focused on afro americans in the UNITED STATES.
It doesn't work that way. Your thread opened the door on other minorities by mentioning Jews and Japanese so you don't get to close the door when I bring up others. Stay consistent. All i'm trying to say is living in the past is part of the problem not part of the solution. You waste your time looking for reparations and someone else builds a casino. You should figure out something similar. Thats what the native americans did.
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5/17/2007  11:30 AM
4949 where are you originally from= curious

You seem to have a balanced approach to all of this.
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5/17/2007  9:32 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by playa2:

My thread just so happen to be focused on afro americans in the UNITED STATES.
It doesn't work that way. Your thread opened the door on other minorities by mentioning Jews and Japanese so you don't get to close the door when I bring up others. Stay consistent. All i'm trying to say is living in the past is part of the problem not part of the solution. You waste your time looking for reparations and someone else builds a casino. You should figure out something similar. Thats what the native americans did.
Maybe if starbury were to lend playa some money, to purchase some land, that might help. The only real power they have is making a ton of money as athletes, unless you happen to be Ophra or the CEO of Ebony magazine or something like that. Land and established money just doesn't grow on tress. I can see both sides of all of your points. It's hard to take a side on this issue.
How do you explain the Asian and other minority communities did it then? The excuses are many.
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5/18/2007  1:09 PM
guys calm down, he probably just learned about this in a class, or read about reparations on some web site and joined the cause.

Name one person alive today who had anything to do with the slave trade in america, the spanish slave trade, or whatever you want to pick. guess what, they're all gone. I'm korean, should the Japanese have to pay reparations for rampaging through Korea? uh.. no. shinzo had nothing to do with any of that, and even if he did, there's a handful of people alive who were effected by those events.

the true crime here is that while you want people who aren't responsible for what happened to pay reparations to people who weren't even alive when these things happened, there are real people who are actually enslaved right now around the world and it's disrespectful to them and people in this country 200-300 years ago who actually did suffer when you talk about how bad you have it and need reparations.
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5/18/2007  9:37 PM
You have a native land korea, I don't.

In the korean community you can come together and build and no one tries to stop you in this country.

When blacks try to come together and build somebody gets upset or jealous and puts a stop to it.

L.A AND OKLAHOMA where examples of A COMMUNITY of hardworking black try to build something and gets the shaft for no reason.



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5/18/2007  9:39 PM
Posted by highfivesucka:


Name one person alive today who had anything to do with the slave trade in america, the spanish slave trade, or whatever you want to pick. guess what, they're all gone. I'm korean, should the Japanese have to pay reparations for rampaging through Korea? uh.. no. shinzo had nothing to do with any of that, and even if he did, there's a handful of people alive who were effected by those events.

the true crime here is that while you want people who aren't responsible for what happened to pay reparations to people who weren't even alive when these things happened, there are real people who are actually enslaved right now around the world and it's disrespectful to them and people in this country 200-300 years ago who actually did suffer when you talk about how bad you have it and need reparations.

Whereas, More than 30 million Black African Americans are direct descendants of slaves brought to the shores of America almost 400 years ago; and

Whereas, It is estimated that 80 to 100 million Africans died from starvation, disease, execution or other brutal treatment while being transported to the Americas and other regions of the globe during centuries of a horrible Black holocaust; and

Whereas, Slave labor was the primary source for clearing, cultivating, planting and harvesting the land, processing the products, and all other duties necessary for the economic enrichment of slave owners and their families; and

Whereas, The use of free slave labor is the major cause for the rise of the United States as the strongest, wealthiest nation in the world, and

Whereas, Free slave labor, championed by the United States Government, allowed slave owners and their families to accumulate great wealth that was bequeathed to their descendants, while the slaves and their families had only the products of poverty to consign to their descendants; and

Whereas, Slaves were considered only three-fifths of a person in the United States Constitution and were deprived of pursuing any of the basic rights and privileges afforded other citizens; and

Whereas, Emancipation, followed by 100 years of legal segregation supported by laws that continued to deny freed slaves and their families the same basic rights as former slave holders, and

Whereas, The cruel and inhuman treatment and the denial of opportunity to Black people caused extreme, lasting social and psychological damage to the descendants of slaves that continue to impede their social, economic and educational progress; and

Whereas, The brutality and trauma suffered by prisoners in World War Two described as the Helsenki Syndrome was a microcosm of the post slavery trauma suffered by descendants of American slaves, passed on by culture, language and emotions; and

Whereas, The inhumanity of slavery followed by 100 years of government sponsored discrimination against Black people also resulted in extreme psychological damage to the descendants of slave owners that continue to fuel racial division and hostilities; and

Whereas, There will never be racial healing until America decides to face the criminal debauchery that people enriched themselves by committing wrongful acts against





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5/22/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by highfivesucka:


Name one person alive today who had anything to do with the slave trade in america, the spanish slave trade, or whatever you want to pick. guess what, they're all gone. I'm korean, should the Japanese have to pay reparations for rampaging through Korea? uh.. no. shinzo had nothing to do with any of that, and even if he did, there's a handful of people alive who were effected by those events.

the true crime here is that while you want people who aren't responsible for what happened to pay reparations to people who weren't even alive when these things happened, there are real people who are actually enslaved right now around the world and it's disrespectful to them and people in this country 200-300 years ago who actually did suffer when you talk about how bad you have it and need reparations.

Whereas, More than 30 million Black African Americans are direct descendants of slaves brought to the shores of America almost 400 years ago; and

Whereas, It is estimated that 80 to 100 million Africans died from starvation, disease, execution or other brutal treatment while being transported to the Americas and other regions of the globe during centuries of a horrible Black holocaust; and

Whereas, Slave labor was the primary source for clearing, cultivating, planting and harvesting the land, processing the products, and all other duties necessary for the economic enrichment of slave owners and their families; and

Whereas, The use of free slave labor is the major cause for the rise of the United States as the strongest, wealthiest nation in the world, and

Whereas, Free slave labor, championed by the United States Government, allowed slave owners and their families to accumulate great wealth that was bequeathed to their descendants, while the slaves and their families had only the products of poverty to consign to their descendants; and

Whereas, Slaves were considered only three-fifths of a person in the United States Constitution and were deprived of pursuing any of the basic rights and privileges afforded other citizens; and

Whereas, Emancipation, followed by 100 years of legal segregation supported by laws that continued to deny freed slaves and their families the same basic rights as former slave holders, and

Whereas, The cruel and inhuman treatment and the denial of opportunity to Black people caused extreme, lasting social and psychological damage to the descendants of slaves that continue to impede their social, economic and educational progress; and

Whereas, The brutality and trauma suffered by prisoners in World War Two described as the Helsenki Syndrome was a microcosm of the post slavery trauma suffered by descendants of American slaves, passed on by culture, language and emotions; and

Whereas, The inhumanity of slavery followed by 100 years of government sponsored discrimination against Black people also resulted in extreme psychological damage to the descendants of slave owners that continue to fuel racial division and hostilities; and

Whereas, There will never be racial healing until America decides to face the criminal debauchery that people enriched themselves by committing wrongful acts against

So you want to open the graves of the Mr. Lunch, General Lee, and others and trash them into NY City Dump.
Then all black people of America will get over trauma and will be able to leave happy live like black people who was never enslaved in Africa.
So they will be happy like people living in Darfur, Nigeria, Angola, Somali, Efiopia, and Namibia. Will be free to die from AIDS, hunger, or be killed by brutal crowds, warlords, or rebels

Way to go man...
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5/22/2007  2:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/2/2025  3:32 PM
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5/23/2007  6:31 AM
Akrud,you forgot that America, would not have become soooo rich, and powerful in such a short amount of time, if it were not for centuries of African slave labor. Where's our 40 acre's and a mule that was promised to us after slavery ended. Instead we endured the Jim Crow era, for another century!
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5/23/2007  7:24 AM
Posted by playa2:

Akrud,you forgot that America, would not have become soooo rich, and powerful in such a short amount of time, if it were not for centuries of African slave labor. Where's our 40 acre's and a mule that was promised to us after slavery ended. Instead we endured the Jim Crow era, for another century!
Same thing happened to Asian slaves in Trinidad and the Chinese slaves that built the railroads. America and the rest of the world owes reparations to everyone. You are way to insular to realize there is world outside YOU. Every single person has proved you wrong and you still claim to have a monopoly on suffering. Grow up bro.
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5/23/2007  9:49 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by playa2:

Akrud,you forgot that America, would not have become soooo rich, and powerful in such a short amount of time, if it were not for centuries of African slave labor. Where's our 40 acre's and a mule that was promised to us after slavery ended. Instead we endured the Jim Crow era, for another century!
Same thing happened to Asian slaves in Trinidad and the Chinese slaves that built the railroads. America and the rest of the world owes reparations to everyone. You are way to insular to realize there is world outside YOU. Every single person has proved you wrong and you still claim to have a monopoly on suffering. Grow up bro.

Good point.
We cannot stuck in the past and blame our own problems on the history. Any person should take care about the present regardless. The hate and retaliation never lead to anything good and never solved any problems. In fact it makes things worth by dragging the dark past into the future.
I am not talking about forgetting the lessons of the history but about letting them go and working on improving the life and building the better future for next generations. Everybody have tools to make it happened - hands, mind, desire, determination, and love. NOBODY can take this away from you but you own laziness, greed, selfishness, ignorance, and stupidity.











[Edited by - arkrud on 05-23-2007 09:50 AM]
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5/23/2007  10:29 AM
You ever notice asians have there own major business communties and blacks don't ?

Ever wonder why ? We were pitted against one another thru slavery for yrs so the trust factor is non existent.

Every other nationality when they came over to america looked out for their own family and race and there my friend is where the unity came from .

Blacks had to be more focused during involuntary segregation, when they had no one else to depend on.

The Real History of slavery:
Slaves were setup in colonies in South America, the West Indies and Britain, with the White colonial settlers, where the practice of being servants turned into the practice of slavery and slave trading. Yes, there were some Slaves that migrated on their own, but it was mainly forced migration. And when some Black slaves were set free, even some that were never slaves became Slave owners themselves. Mind you it was on a smaller scale than White slavemasters. And that didn't start happening until later.

As former slaves themselves, they learned that practice from the White Slavemasters, who had mind control over the Slaves, and many of the Slaves became dehumanized (if you will), where, as a result, the White Slavemasters mentality somewhat became their own mentality. (Sort of like it is today).

And some of the Black Slave owners that were never Slaves, adopted that same practice and mentality that they knew about from White Slave owners. (though there was little, if any, abuse or torture.) And that's why they (Africans) really never developed a sense of "unity" (so to speak), that brought about their actions today. And we as African Americans today, also struggle with this "unity", "brotherhood" thing as well!


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5/23/2007  2:06 PM
Posted by playa2:

You ever notice asians have there own major business communties and blacks don't ?

Ever wonder why ? We were pitted against one another thru slavery for yrs so the trust factor is non existent.

Every other nationality when they came over to america looked out for their own family and race and there my friend is where the unity came from .

Blacks had to be more focused during involuntary segregation, when they had no one else to depend on.
sounds like a cop out to me. you are once again claiming a monopoly on suffering.
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5/24/2007  6:54 AM
You refuse to look at the facts , but relish on what's present.

The past is a result on what we have today.
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5/24/2007  7:21 AM
Posted by playa2:

You refuse to look at the facts , but relish on what's present.

The past is a result on what we have today.
That past happened to everybody that is part of a diaspora. They were all displaced and equally mistreated but somehow you get nullify their suffering and claim a monopoly for your own? Wake up! Don't you see how many people have been displaced and mistreated throughout the centuries?

Don't cheapen the sacrifices of our community by asking for money. You did not suffer, they did. Honor their memory by making it on your own.
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5/24/2007  1:06 PM
Silver Iguess you are too young to understand.
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5/24/2007  3:37 PM
Playa give it up man
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