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purple012870
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5/7/2007  5:50 PM
How about this?

O'Neill (18mm), Diogu (1mm) = salary of 19mm

for

Curry (8mm), Nate (1mm), Rose (7.5mm), Frye (2mm) = salary of 18.5mm

Knicks:

Point guard = Marbury, Collins
2 guard = Crawford, Marco Bellini
SF = Balkman, Jefferies
PF = Lee, Diogu
C = O'Neill, James, Morris
AUTOADVERT
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5/7/2007  5:56 PM
I'd totally welcome JO here, but my gut says it'd be better to go after a versatile def. SF than him.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/7/2007  6:10 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Guys, I think we can expect a couple of things:

1. Steve Francis - the dumbest, most selfish player in the NBA will not return
2. Q Richardson - had major back surgery, there's a good chance he's done


I sure hope you are right on #1.

On #2, from what I have read about the back surgery that Q-Rich went through, they have been successful in the past, and the probability is that he will make a full and pain-free recovery. Contrary to your speculation, we could have a more effective Q-Rich than we had last year.

Now, wouldn't that be nice?
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5/7/2007  6:21 PM
Posted by purple012870:

How about this?

O'Neill (18mm), Diogu (1mm) = salary of 19mm

for

Curry (8mm), Nate (1mm), Rose (7.5mm), Frye (2mm) = salary of 18.5mm

Knicks:

Point guard = Marbury, Collins
2 guard = Crawford, Marco Bellini
SF = Balkman, Jefferies
PF = Lee, Diogu
C = O'Neill, James, Morris

It'll be more like this:

O'Neill (18mm), Maceo Baston (1mm) = salary of 19mm

for

Curry (8mm), Lee (1mm), Rose (7.5mm), Frye (2mm) = salary of 18.5mm
+ 2 unprotected 1st rd picks (2008 and right to swap in 2009) and 2nd rd pick in 2008 or 09)

Bird is going to bend over Isiah just like everyone else does.
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5/7/2007  7:23 PM

I dont think this deal is that far removed from the realm of possibility. The Pacers are paying O'Neal a boatload of money and they are going nowhere fast. O'Neal is clearly disgruntled and he has gone on record as crediting Isiah in his development as a player --- they are fairly close. The Pacers dont have that much leverage, if any at all.

O'Neal is probably going to be traded. I guess we will see how petty Bird can be if he refuses to deal with Isiah. I mean, the comment was only made 20 years ago, its not as if Bird should get over it or anything and you know the Bird-loving media will never call him on it.
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5/7/2007  8:11 PM
maybe a package with Steve Francis, Jared Jeffries and Channing Frye and the Bulls' first-round pick, which the Knicks own in the swap?

i don't see the Pacers making that deal w/o D Lee being in the package, or at the very minimum involve Mardy & Malik going to Indy w/us taking back Tinsley's baggage.
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5/7/2007  8:53 PM
How does Indiana have any leverage?

F*ck Bird!

1. O'Neal wants to come to New York.
2. O'Neal will be making $23 million in his last year (2009/2010)!!!
3. O'Neal has played 160 out of a possible 246 games in the last 3 seasons.

Clearly Indiana is in rebuilding mode even though they haven't officially stated it. When money is an object, unlike the Knicks, you can't pay someone an average of $21 million a year and have this person play only 66 percent of the season... and O'Neal is not a Dwayne Wayde, Kobe or Shaq.

It is really hard to build around O'Neal because of his injuries and contract, unless you are the Knicks and have a vast amount of money then by all means go for it.

Isiah just has to play some hardball.
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5/7/2007  10:32 PM
Posted by Stevo718:

How does Indiana have any leverage?

they have the player & he's signed to a contract... what's he gonna do if they don't trade him?

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5/7/2007  11:20 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Stevo718:

How does Indiana have any leverage?

they have the player & he's signed to a contract... what's he gonna do if they don't trade him?


LOL! no kidding, it's not like they are that good when he's trying so if he decides to tank just because they won't move him all that does is make him look stupid and helps their lottery position next yr. They have no need to trade him not in case of course they receive incredible offers for him. They can just build around Danny Granger.
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5/8/2007  12:59 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Stevo718:

How does Indiana have any leverage?

they have the player & he's signed to a contract... what's he gonna do if they don't trade him?




LOL! no kidding, it's not like they are that good when he's trying so if he decides to tank just because they won't move him all that does is make him look stupid and helps their lottery position next yr. They have no need to trade him not in case of course they receive incredible offers for him. They can just build around Danny Granger.

Yeah that's true, they don't NEED to trade him, they'll just be "ok" until 2010, not good enough to make the playoffs and not bad enough to get a high pick. They can surround Granger with nice late first to second round picks. And who needs to be under the cap for 2009? There will probably be no one worth signing anyways. Plus O'Neal is like a rock, and he will be a lot easier to trade at the end of 2008 at $21.3 million because no way he gets injured again.
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5/8/2007  2:31 AM
If O'Neal really said that he wants to be traded, which I have my doubts he actually did, I think Bird and Walsh will make a real effort to move him. That being said, they are not going to give him away and I don't see any chance of them sending O' Neal to the Knicks unless we send them Lee.

Is O' Neal better than Lee? Yes. Does Lee have the potential to be better than O' Neal? Maybe, but I doubt it. O' Neal can be a rock solid defender when focused and can score in multiple ways. He is also a solid rebounder although Lee probably has him beat in that area. O' Neal would be a big upgrade over Lee and he is still young enough to grow with the team for the next 4-5 years. If the deal is Lee, Rose, and Jeffries and our pick for O' Neal and Diogu, I would do it because it clears a bad contract off of our books without us losing too much young talent and we get a young prospect too. It really all boils down to what players will Indy demand for O' Neal. I definitely would play hardball. If O' Neal says he wants to go, that puts some pressure on Indy to get rid of him (you cannot have the leader of your team saying he does not want to be there).
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5/8/2007  2:32 AM
If we get JO then we must I mean must get outside shooters or we will still be in the same boat as we are in now. Morris Almond is a start.
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5/8/2007  2:55 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Stevo718:

How does Indiana have any leverage?

they have the player & he's signed to a contract... what's he gonna do if they don't trade him?


LOL! no kidding, it's not like they are that good when he's trying so if he decides to tank just because they won't move him all that does is make him look stupid and helps their lottery position next yr. They have no need to trade him not in case of course they receive incredible offers for him. They can just build around Danny Granger.

Not really. Having a star player that clearly wants out is a P.R nightmare, Indiana talk radio will be dominated with J.O talk. Plus, does the Indiana owner have the financial wherewithal to essentially throw away millions of dollars just to satisfy his own ego and prove a point? O'Neal will look "stupid" all the way to the bank. Lastly, Indy has no shot of winning anything significant so it behooves them to move their biggest asset and start over. If a star is adamant about leaving, a star goes --- that simple.

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5/8/2007  3:34 AM
The more I think about, the more I think that the best deal for this team would be O' Neal and Diogu for Curry, Rose, and Frye and a future protected 1st round pick. Indy gets a potential franchise center that is cheaper than O' Neal and they get a potential scoring PF in Frye. We get an all-star and a young prospect and we get to keep Lee and our pick this year. Marbury, Crawford, Q, Lee, and O' Neal would be a solid starting lineup. With Balkman, Nate, and Collins coming off the bench, we would have solid team. O' Neal would be a better low post presence on offense and defense and he can pass out of double teams.

[Edited by - thegame on 05-08-2007 03:35 AM]
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5/8/2007  6:46 AM
the pacers aren't going to give up diogu, he was the one good thing they got in return for the jackson/harrington/sarunas package that has pushed the warriors to the 2nd rd. of the playoffs and the pacers out of the playoffs. no way they give him up.

i also don't buy the notion that bird has any upperhand here given that JO is demanding a trade. offer something reasonable and then stand pat, isiah hopefully has learned from the past.
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5/8/2007  7:25 AM
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05-08-2007 03:45 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote Pacers will not be taking back Francis in any deal and they for surely will make ISAYUGH bend over on any potential trade. If it were to happen just be prepared for the inevitable unprotected Lottery Picks being given away. The Pacers have all the leverage at this point, they really don't need to trade J.O.


The Pacers have no leverage if JO demands a trade. Thats absurd. to say that "jo is under contract", um, do you guys follow the NBA or just spend your time on knicks message boards bashing isiah thomas? if players demnad trades they get traded. if said player demands a trade to NY, there's really nothing they can do about it.

plus i love the speculation killing by the goon squad of pecimissim, IE true blue (yea right is this an attempt at irony) and isles fan saying 'its sam smith, its just a rumor, IT's gonna get bent over backwards and give up a million draft picks, i hate the knicks, blah blah blah' when this is probably the 5th time i've seen a link saying JO might get moved, JO wants to play in NY with isiah.

if JO demands a trade to NY, bird cant call up Isiah and demand a bevy of draft picks and such, isiah will just hang up and say 'enjoy having a $20 million malcontent sitting out'.
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5/8/2007  7:39 AM
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I dont think this deal is that far removed from the realm of possibility. The Pacers are paying O'Neal a boatload of money and they are going nowhere fast. O'Neal is clearly disgruntled and he has gone on record as crediting Isiah in his development as a player --- they are fairly close. The Pacers dont have that much leverage, if any at all.

O'Neal is probably going to be traded. I guess we will see how petty Bird can be if he refuses to deal with Isiah. I mean, the comment was only made 20 years ago, its not as if Bird should get over it or anything and you know the Bird-loving media will never call him on it.

Remember Zeke and John Paxson can't stand each other and the Curry trade went down (even though we unnecessarily gave up the moon). Business is business. If a JO trade's gonna happen, it'll happen. But a lot of you guys are right, Zeke's gotta play hardball and not be willing to go crazy on this. I'd take O'Neal in a heartbeat, but a healthy Lee and say Sean Williams next to Curry ain't too shabby a big man rotation wackin' up the 4-5 spots. I'd go to war with that. If the asking price is too much, NO THANK YOU LARRY BIRD.
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5/8/2007  7:46 AM
what if bird offers JO and foster for francis, frye, jeffries, and the first rounder.

foster, lee, and balkman would average a TON of offensive rebounds, plus JO and curry's pts in the paint.

that's not a bad team.
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5/8/2007  7:47 AM
Indiana would be better off waiving O'Neal than taking back Francis. I mean, what would you rather have: a free roster spot or Francis for $48 mil over 3 years? (It won't even come to that anyway for the Pacers.)
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5/8/2007  7:59 AM
i don't think francis' worth is that bad, he put up a bunch of points at the end of the season. plus if you watched any indy games this season they have ZERO playmakers on the perimeter. i'm sure they'd rather have francis for $16 mil/yr for TWO years (not 3 like you said) than having to waive JO for nearly $20 mil for the next THREE years, esp. when they need scoring on the perimeter.

and i dont buy the whole curry and JO can't play in the same frontcourt argument. how many teams in the East have 2 big men to D up both curry and JO at the same time? ORL maybe w/ dwight and darko? how would NJ, or CLE, or WAS defend that given that they have no big men? double one and hope for the best?

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-08-2007 11:00 PM]
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