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Masterplan
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5/7/2007  1:04 PM
Posted by mikesknicks:

Lee is NOT I repeat NOT an All Star He is a very good role player, if you can trade a role player to get an All star you do it.

we have plenty of "all-stars" on the team already

we don't need to panic and get more big names on this team. we need to be smart about who we acquire and keep, not just chase the big names.

if we keep on chasing this dogma of "talent" we'll have more of the same - a $200 mil sideshow for the rest of the league.
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5/7/2007  1:11 PM
Posted by mikesknicks:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Lee on an All Star squad. He might not get voted there, but he might get picked by the coaches.

For what hustling??? Until DLee gets a mid range J he will never be a All star no matter what corporate america wants.

in case you missed it, he was on the sophomore team at the NBA All Star. I think he missed one shot.

He improved his FT %, I'm sure a mid range J will come.
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5/7/2007  1:12 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You always get rid of the lazy player before getting rid of the hard working more versatile player.

Exactly. Saying it simply makes it clear to everyone.

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5/7/2007  1:37 PM
camby makes sense next to curry. Jermaine Oneal - not so much. Oneal makes more sense next to Lee
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5/7/2007  2:17 PM
our "all-star backcourt" was a dismal failure of failures. but whatever, let's give it another go in the frontcourt.
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5/7/2007  2:19 PM
If lee was playing the amount of minutes he should have been 38min, he would have averaged 12pts 12rbs very easily.......without having one play called for him, he is closer to being an allstar than eddy curry....the kid has shown vast improvement in his second year in the league something no one on this team has done
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5/7/2007  2:30 PM
If lee was playing the amount of minutes he should have been 38min, he would have averaged 12pts 12rbs very easily.......without having one play called for him, he is closer to being an allstar than eddy curry....the kid has shown vast improvement in his second year in the league something no one on this team has done

So why was he not being considered for the All-Star game??? and what was he third or fourth for 6th Man and third for most improved player??? you think we OVER-RATE our player just a bit.
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5/7/2007  3:09 PM
Actually I think you have no concept of the player that Lee is, he was mentioned before Curry as an AllStar in some circles that didn't include Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson and other one sided idiots.

And when you miss a great majority of the season your are not considered for awards because they forget about you.

And most improved that award has nothing to do with how good a player he is, you had other players at scoring positions for their team like Ellis, Martin and Jefferson, when was the last time they gave it to a rebounder. If Lee played the entire season he would have been in the running for both.

He is probably the most respect knick around the league as well
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5/7/2007  3:22 PM
If Lee adds a mid range jumper, I could see his numbers being something like a 16/11. The thing with Lee is intangibles- doing small things.

He honestly reminds me of a larry bird type player- nothing fancy, but he makes all the plays you need. Now, off course, larry got his points and his assts.

Honestly, if Lee develops his game more, I'd run the offense through him as a point forward-
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5/7/2007  3:28 PM
Posted by franco12:

If Lee adds a mid range jumper, I could see his numbers being something like a 16/11. The thing with Lee is intangibles- doing small things.

He honestly reminds me of a larry bird type player- nothing fancy, but he makes all the plays you need. Now, off course, larry got his points and his assts.

Honestly, if Lee develops his game more, I'd run the offense through him as a point forward-

He got 11/11 in 29 mpg. Even if he doesn't develop a midrange jumper, he'll probably get 14/14 or 13/13 as a starter at 38 mpg. (And it would be hard for any coach to keep him off the all-star team with those #s.)
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5/7/2007  3:39 PM
did you just compare David Lee to Larry Bird? I mean wow. I love Lee but.. yo.. Wow
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5/7/2007  3:50 PM
Actually I think you have no concept of the player that Lee is, he was mentioned before Curry as an AllStar in some circles that didn't include Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson and other one sided idiots.


David Lee for MVP..... what a joke!

Magic a idiot????
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Posted by mikesknicks:
Actually I think you have no concept of the player that Lee is, he was mentioned before Curry as an AllStar in some circles that didn't include Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson and other one sided idiots.


David Lee for MVP..... what a joke!

Magic a idiot????

Yeah, what an asinine comment. Magic was one of the more cerebral athletes of all time and is a hell of an enterprising business man. It has come to the point on this board where anybody even loosely associated with Isiah is going to be attacked.

Concerning Lee, I dont think anybody is trying to throw dirt on him, he's an intangible-laden player that will help you win ballgames. No arguments. Its just that with his lack of skill on the offensive end, his ceiling is that of a borderline All-Star level player. There is no way that I would let David Lee stand in the way of acquiring somebody like O'Neal, thinking otherwise is just taking one's "David Lee man crush" way too far.

I wouldnt give Lee away, but O'Neal is an elite talent --- does anybody see Lee reaching that stratosphere?

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5/7/2007  8:34 PM
We CAN get O'Neal without giving up Lee and with out taking back Tinsley as well.

I'm telling you guys, no one is gonna overpay to take on $26 million ($30 million in 2009/2010) in salaries combined for those two players (O'Neal/Tinsley)... no one, the contracts are too high and run too long.

The only teams I can see making a trade with Indiana are perhaps Dallas and LA.

Plus O'Neal has stated he wants to come to New York.
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5/7/2007  9:25 PM
curry's not getting traded.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/7/2007  9:42 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by mikesknicks:
Actually I think you have no concept of the player that Lee is, he was mentioned before Curry as an AllStar in some circles that didn't include Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson and other one sided idiots.


David Lee for MVP..... what a joke!

Magic a idiot????

Yeah, what an asinine comment. Magic was one of the more cerebral athletes of all time and is a hell of an enterprising business man. It has come to the point on this board where anybody even loosely associated with Isiah is going to be attacked.

Concerning Lee, I dont think anybody is trying to throw dirt on him, he's an intangible-laden player that will help you win ballgames. No arguments. Its just that with his lack of skill on the offensive end, his ceiling is that of a borderline All-Star level player. There is no way that I would let David Lee stand in the way of acquiring somebody like O'Neal, thinking otherwise is just taking one's "David Lee man crush" way too far.

I wouldnt give Lee away, but O'Neal is an elite talent --- does anybody see Lee reaching that stratosphere?

Am I missing something, or is JO an older, oft injured former all star, with tons of minutes and a max deal?

If Indiana wants to be free of his contract, they can take back marginal talent- I'm not sure Frye and Francis are it, but you are not exercising long term thinking skills if somehow you think to trade Lee for JO?
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5/7/2007  10:59 PM
Posted by Stevo718:

We CAN get O'Neal without giving up Lee and with out taking back Tinsley as well.

I'm telling you guys, no one is gonna overpay to take on $26 million ($30 million in 2009/2010) in salaries combined for those two players (O'Neal/Tinsley)... no one, the contracts are too high and run too long.

The only teams I can see making a trade with Indiana are perhaps Dallas and LA.

Plus O'Neal has stated he wants to come to New York.

great! where do i sign off on the overpaid players no one else wants?!
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5/7/2007  11:00 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Concerning Lee, I dont think anybody is trying to throw dirt on him, he's an intangible-laden player that will help you win ballgames. No arguments. Its just that with his lack of skill on the offensive end, his ceiling is that of a borderline All-Star level player. There is no way that I would let David Lee stand in the way of acquiring somebody like O'Neal, thinking otherwise is just taking one's "David Lee man crush" way too far.

I wouldnt give Lee away, but O'Neal is an elite talent --- does anybody see Lee reaching that stratosphere?

IMO, we absolutely need intangibles now more than we need another star-caliber player.
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5/8/2007  1:39 AM
i still don't get why people are talking about trading Lee. he plays hard and produces results, and he's the one on the block? I mean isn't it the other guys who need to start producing or ship out? Francis, Jeffries, Frye, James, etc? he's not untouchable, nobody on the roster is, but imo you exhaust every possible option when trying to get a player like JO who has so many miles on his body, and even when you're down to your last option you rethink whether its really worth it in the long run.
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5/8/2007  1:57 AM
^ exactly........the gap between lee and JO is smaller than the gap between, say, Jefferies and the SF we SHOULD have.

tons of players could do what jefferies does for us (even balkman)....but how many players in the league can average a double double?

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 05-08-2007 01:59 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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