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holfresh
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5/6/2007  8:12 PM

Yeah, I'm sure fans in Houston is mouthing the same thing after getting bumped out of the playoffs with two top ten players on your roster....
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5/6/2007  9:59 PM
That's life man. Van Gundy has made a nice tidy sum and he finished his contract-so he walks into the sunset with 20mm $--not bad with a cushy commentators job for the extra change and he gets to play in his garden with his kids and hit golf balls for another 30-40 years. I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
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5/6/2007  10:53 PM
JVG was with NY Knicks when defense was our selling point.
Now we are all offense and IT is our man.
He was also boring and IT is exited.
Actually results are much worth. From boring team we became a circus.
But it's me... May be this is what most of the fans want, or Dolan think we want

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5/7/2007  1:56 AM
From the AP:

The 45-year-old coach has turned down at least two offers by the Rockets to extend his contract beyond this season, but he denied a report in Sunday's New York Post that he was going to step down.

"All that stuff next year is for another time,'' he said after Game 7. "Tonight is about obviously a hugely disappointing result.''

A Rockets spokesman said Sunday that Van Gundy "strongly denies'' the report and wasn't aware where it came from.
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5/7/2007  2:47 AM
The dude's a workaholic, the series must have taken a toll on him. I remember once reading how he locked himself till late in his office every just looking over tapes when we were in on losing streak (cant remember which season).

[Edited by - NineMike2Whiskey on 05-07-2007 02:49 AM]
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5/7/2007  2:57 AM
But wait, did he retire? Some reports say that he turned two offers to extend his contract, one recently and one earlier in the season. I'm confused. How much time does he need to review the tapes on those two offers and make a decision?
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5/7/2007  8:16 AM
Les Alexander came on as an owner and fired every Rocket that ever contributed something to the franchise (including Calvin Murphy from the community relations post). He accused Van Gundy of being the most "unmarketable" personality in the NBA and blamed him for sagging ticket sales and player morale. Unless he made ot to the finals he was out. He sensed it. That is Vandummy used John Barry to start planting retirement on the air prior to the playoffs. Barry owes Van Gundy so of course he put it out there.

He had too much pressure to pull off that after A. Houston lucky bounce save vandummy's job in 1999 season where the Knicks were the 8 seed and lost to a retiring David Robinson.

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5/7/2007  8:31 AM
^ Interesting take, playa. However, it's not correct. David Robinson played four more years after that. I believe he was 33 during that series.
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5/7/2007  8:56 AM
And what about injuries to that team?

What about Yao not being all that great?

What about T-Mac, a very very good center Yao, and the rest role players?

Rockets won 52 games this year in the west. Not a bad job at all with that roster.

Watching the Jazz, they really are pretty good team. AK when on his game makes them a very good team. Deron Will is the real deal, Boozer can be a monster and Okur can play!

I was impressed with them and cannot figure out why they did not do better in the regular season other than Booz misisng a bunch of games and AK not playing well.

Regarding JVG and him "bailing" on us is a joke. The guy put in 5 years and burnt out. He just did his contract and is thinking about whether he wants back in.

In this day where coaches get fired frequently why is it so wrong for a coach to ever leave? And leave when you have options? Maybe Charlotte is calling, maybe Indy wants him? Maybe the marriage is strained and the wife wants him around with his kids.

If he invested well he could have 15-25mil stashed away. Thats pretty good for a career assistant coach.

JVG beat Riles every year except for the brawl.

Playa, what was the outcome of Calvin Murhphys incest arrest?



[Edited by - nalod on 05-07-2007 09:05 AM]
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5/7/2007  10:58 AM
I dunno, I thought you wouldn't mind looking that up yourself.
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5/7/2007  11:05 AM
Posted by playa2:

Les Alexander came on as an owner and fired every Rocket that ever contributed something to the franchise (including Calvin Murphy from the community relations post). He accused Van Gundy of being the most "unmarketable" personality in the NBA and blamed him for sagging ticket sales and player morale. Unless he made ot to the finals he was out. He sensed it. That is Vandummy used John Barry to start planting retirement on the air prior to the playoffs. Barry owes Van Gundy so of course he put it out there.

He had too much pressure to pull off that after A. Houston lucky bounce save vandummy's job in 1999 season where the Knicks were the 8 seed and lost to a retiring David Robinson.

That's where I am confused. Reports during the season said that they didn't want Van Gundy back unless he does something to offense. What happen to all the new type of offense schemes they were suppose to run with Bonzi and Tracy?
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Posted by Solace:

^ Interesting take, playa. However, it's not correct. David Robinson played four more years after that. I believe he was 33 during that series.

1999, was David Robinson last great season. His numbers dramatically declined after that season. He was more of less a suped up role player to Duncan.
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5/7/2007  11:12 AM
He is a joke than what is isiah:

Rotation consisting of: Juwan Howard, Mutumbo, Chuck Hayes, Luther Head, backup pg? Rafear Alston etc, missing his yao for half the season and still getting them into the playoffs
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5/7/2007  1:37 PM
Calvin was aquitted.

But his reputation was hurt. Before you call the Rev. Al on the Rockets, Marv Albert was fired.

But came back.

Cal was not dumped for no reason.
If he had been convicted, Murphy would have faced a sentence of anywhere between probation to what would amount to a life prison sentence. Even though acquitted, Murphy still faces an uncertain future in Houston, where his public persona has basically been trashed by this trial. From revelations about his fathering 14 children with nine different women to living out of his automobile while working his job as a color man on Rocket broadcasts, suffice it to say that not many Houston businesses are lining up to hire Murph as a spokesperson these days.
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5/7/2007  5:20 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Solace:

^ Interesting take, playa. However, it's not correct. David Robinson played four more years after that. I believe he was 33 during that series.

1999, was David Robinson last great season. His numbers dramatically declined after that season. He was more of less a suped up role player to Duncan.

That's fine, but he still played, contrary to what playa said. That was my only point.

Other than that, David Robinson was still one of the better big men in the league, and obviously he was a team player, because he deferred to the younger Duncan.
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5/7/2007  7:03 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

That's life man. Van Gundy has made a nice tidy sum and he finished his contract-so he walks into the sunset with 20mm $--not bad with a cushy commentators job for the extra change and he gets to play in his garden with his kids and hit golf balls for another 30-40 years. I don't see anything wrong with that at all.

I dont think there is anything wrong with it either, I just think that people are making a fair observation: He bails at the first sign of trouble. I dont think its an unfair point to make given that players are routinely painted as mercenaries who lack loyalty and search for the next payday.

I think Van Gundy is a good coach, but he was outclassed by Jerry Sloan a team the Rockets should have defeated at home. That, coupled with the fact that there are rumblings that he is ditching the job mere hours after the loss, wont look good on his resume.

In any event, why are the usual suspects running in this thread and talking about "Isiah this, Isiah that"? What the hell does Van Gundy have to do with Isiah? Damn, ya'll are obsessed with this cat. Sad and disturbing.
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5/7/2007  7:25 PM
JVG is a good coach, but a flawed coach. He probably could've done more with a team that had a bit more to give. That team was really not as good as the record might indicate and you could see that in the playoffs. The regular season is a totally different animal from the playoffs and teams simply get exposed. In the season you can get away with plan A most nights, cuz teams don't often have enough time to gameplan. In the playoffs teams are of course better and they have time to focus on stopping your plan A. Houston like some of the teams in the playoffs didn't have a great plan A and no plan B. I don't even like the starting lineup, much less the bench. So JVG did a good job with what he had. He would've needed a SUPREME performance in the playoffs, from TMac but didn't get that.

It's a bit troubling that JVG is looking to quit on another team, but then coaches are fired all the time. Even when they don't deserve it, like Carlisle.
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5/7/2007  7:31 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:

That's life man. Van Gundy has made a nice tidy sum and he finished his contract-so he walks into the sunset with 20mm $--not bad with a cushy commentators job for the extra change and he gets to play in his garden with his kids and hit golf balls for another 30-40 years. I don't see anything wrong with that at all.

I dont think there is anything wrong with it either, I just think that people are making a fair observation: He bails at the first sign of trouble. I dont think its an unfair point to make given that players are routinely painted as mercenaries who lack loyalty and search for the next payday.

I think Van Gundy is a good coach, but he was outclassed by Jerry Sloan a team the Rockets should have defeated at home. That, coupled with the fact that there are rumblings that he is ditching the job mere hours after the loss, wont look good on his resume.

In any event, why are the usual suspects running in this thread and talking about "Isiah this, Isiah that"? What the hell does Van Gundy have to do with Isiah? Damn, ya'll are obsessed with this cat. Sad and disturbing.
What would you do if your contract had ended and you didn't like the direction the organization was headed in: Re-sign with the team or find something else to do?
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5/7/2007  8:13 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:

That's life man. Van Gundy has made a nice tidy sum and he finished his contract-so he walks into the sunset with 20mm $--not bad with a cushy commentators job for the extra change and he gets to play in his garden with his kids and hit golf balls for another 30-40 years. I don't see anything wrong with that at all.

I dont think there is anything wrong with it either, I just think that people are making a fair observation: He bails at the first sign of trouble. I dont think its an unfair point to make given that players are routinely painted as mercenaries who lack loyalty and search for the next payday.

I think Van Gundy is a good coach, but he was outclassed by Jerry Sloan a team the Rockets should have defeated at home. That, coupled with the fact that there are rumblings that he is ditching the job mere hours after the loss, wont look good on his resume.

In any event, why are the usual suspects running in this thread and talking about "Isiah this, Isiah that"? What the hell does Van Gundy have to do with Isiah? Damn, ya'll are obsessed with this cat. Sad and disturbing.
What would you do if your contract had ended and you didn't like the direction the organization was headed in: Re-sign with the team or find something else to do?

I thought he had a year left on his deal?

Whatever the case, just take the temperature of the Houston Rockets. The dust hasnt even settled on a crushing defeat that left the city reeling, and the star player in tears, and the coach is already angling for his next move. He is well within his right to do so, but that sort of behavior is awfully selfish, and again, players have been ripped for much less.

Its not like Houston is now unmanageable and its a must that he get out now. I dont have a vendetta against him like Playa, but This is typical me first behavior and he should be called on it.
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5/7/2007  8:20 PM
Oh and to answer your question, if I were in Van Gundy's position, from the outside looking in, I would stay. If I were as financially well off as he is, I would show loyalty to an organization that has invested millions of dollars into me --- an investment that so far I have yet to justify. Houston is still closer to becoming a championship team than not, its just not slam dunk at this point.

Now if there is a pressing personal situation that demands his attention, so be it. But given past history, I doubt that is the case.
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