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5/6/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by nixluva:
It's easy to take a wait and see approach. You're not employing any powers of observation or insight into the teams development. You're simply watching the games and reacting to what you see.


Blather...

The problem is you've never accepted the legitimacy of doubt. You think only of what good could come, and are SHOCKED when people discount your expectations. Worse, you call them bad fans in the process.

I doubt there's a person on this board who doesn't think if Curry turns into a defensive beast; if Lee, Balkman, Jeffries and Collins develop jumpers; if Marbury comes into camp in shape, stays healthy, buys into the system, doesn't fight with teamates, and learns to feed the post; if Crawford can improve his shot selection, decrease his turnovers and improve his defense; if Q can play 72+ games; if Nate can grow up and pressure the ball on defense; if the team can play with urgency from the tip-offs and stay focused for 48 mins; etc; that the Knicks can sneak into the playoffs.

It's just fun to watch your skin crawl when some of us don't expect all those things to occur just because they theoretically could. Or to expect them to happen for our team but not similar things for others.

So let me go on record now and say, if all nixluva's expectations come true and the knicks improve in these areas while the rest of the league stands still I agree, the Knicks could make the playoffs.
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5/6/2007  1:24 PM
But the theoretics have not! And there's just too many 'ifs' in this scenario. It's like swiss cheese. there's too many holes in this scenario. These expectations.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/6/2007  1:29 PM
The Knicks will be better next year but so will a few other teams that did not make the playoffs (i.e, the Sixers and the Bobcats). I do believe that we will make the playoffs but it is going to require that either Q comes back healthy or Balkman and Collins develop jumpshots decent enough to make defenses play honest. Curry is also going to have to improve his double team recognition. Simply put, the playoffs are not guaranteed. These players are going to have to come back next season better prepared and more skilled than they were at the end of this season.
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5/6/2007  1:29 PM
why does curry have to develop into a defensive beast? they need to draft a shot blocker named sean williams and then we can all stop worrying about his defensive in efficiency. and he doesn't need to rebound big when he has two fowards both averaging over 10 a game (balkman and lee).

why does lee have to develop a jumper, he shot 60% from the year taking high percentage shots. nate averaged 40% from downtown after the allstar break and Q averaged nearly 40% when he was playing. they rarely played together. if the knicks had 2 guys shooting over 40% from 3, i think its safe to say curry would stop getting double teamed. jeffries was worthless this year and i imagine he wont play much next year.

marbury didnt come to this season in shape, i'll give you that, but he bought into the system, didn't fight with teammates, and fed the post this season. curry averaged 20 a game how was the post not fed?

crawford, as mentioned, was playing on all cylinders in the middle of february, the team was winning more than it was losing, and then he went down. why crawford wont be capable of this next year is beyond me.

and just fyi, all of this could've basically been said about the warriors last year (richardson shoots too low of a percentage and is hurt, davis is hurt, out of shape, and doesn't get his teammates involved, stephen jackson is a bum, biedrins needs to get more minutes, barnes gives all sorts of things off the bench but nothing in particular he needs to improve everything, ellis being a little man who shoots too much, play more cohesively, etc).

the team is young, they will improve. collins, balkman, lee, robinson can all be expeted to improve, they are all rookies or 2nd year players. even frye to an extent. that is 5 players who will get better, plus curry's general improvement in some areas. how you don't expect more consistent play based on that is beyond me. look if they don't do it next year i'm all for the blowing of it up, but if all of the improve next year and this team makes the playoffs and shows up and at least plays to a game 6 or 7, lots of people on this board refuse to believe that is reasonable. every positive is overlooked instead. insetad of saying balkman will get 30 minutes and average 12/11/2 steals/1 block you say he needs to develop a jumper. gimme a break!
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5/6/2007  1:32 PM
Posted by TheGame:

The Knicks will be better next year but so will a few other teams that did not make the playoffs (i.e, the Sixers and the Bobcats). I do believe that we will make the playoffs but it is going to require that either Q comes back healthy or Balkman and Collins develop jumpshots decent enough to make defenses play honest. Curry is also going to have to improve his double team recognition. Simply put, the playoffs are not guaranteed. These players are going to have to come back next season better prepared and more skilled than they were at the end of this season.

Personally, I think we need to stop talking about Curry and Crawford and Q and starbury and start talking more about Lee and Balkman and Collins. They are the next stage of chance we have of improving and possibly the future. These other clowns have had they're chance. Thats the best they are going to be.
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5/6/2007  1:36 PM
yea im with 4949. why is it that everyone is harping on the bad and not the good. the fact remains there are 3 very solid players who are young and are going to get better. lee is going to be one of the top reboudners in the nba, balkman one of the top 6th men, and collins a solid backup point. that is worth something.
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5/6/2007  1:50 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

why does curry have to develop into a defensive beast? they need to draft a shot blocker named sean williams and then we can all stop worrying about his defensive in efficiency. and he doesn't need to rebound big when he has two fowards both averaging over 10 a game (balkman and lee).

why does lee have to develop a jumper, he shot 60% from the year taking high percentage shots. nate averaged 40% from downtown after the allstar break and Q averaged nearly 40% when he was playing. they rarely played together. if the knicks had 2 guys shooting over 40% from 3, i think its safe to say curry would stop getting double teamed. jeffries was worthless this year and i imagine he wont play much next year.

marbury didnt come to this season in shape, i'll give you that, but he bought into the system, didn't fight with teammates, and fed the post this season. curry averaged 20 a game how was the post not fed?

crawford, as mentioned, was playing on all cylinders in the middle of february, the team was winning more than it was losing, and then he went down. why crawford wont be capable of this next year is beyond me.

and just fyi, all of this could've basically been said about the warriors last year (richardson shoots too low of a percentage and is hurt, davis is hurt, out of shape, and doesn't get his teammates involved, stephen jackson is a bum, biedrins needs to get more minutes, barnes gives all sorts of things off the bench but nothing in particular he needs to improve everything, ellis being a little man who shoots too much, play more cohesively, etc).

the team is young, they will improve. collins, balkman, lee, robinson can all be expeted to improve, they are all rookies or 2nd year players. even frye to an extent. that is 5 players who will get better, plus curry's general improvement in some areas. how you don't expect more consistent play based on that is beyond me. look if they don't do it next year i'm all for the blowing of it up, but if all of the improve next year and this team makes the playoffs and shows up and at least plays to a game 6 or 7, lots of people on this board refuse to believe that is reasonable. every positive is overlooked instead. insetad of saying balkman will get 30 minutes and average 12/11/2 steals/1 block you say he needs to develop a jumper. gimme a break!


You ask why these things need to improve and the answer is because we won 33 games.

You said similar things could have been said about GS, and they were, usually by the Knicks most ardent supporters. I was one who said I see no reason they couldn't be bigger improvers than us as an example how most teams are poised to improve at a similar or better rate than us.

Cause for optimism is not exclusive to this team. At the same time, perennially chasing the 8th seed isn't all that interesting to me.
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5/6/2007  1:58 PM
LOL @ God Willing barring no injuries.

So we've already started with the built in excuse again.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-06-2007 12:59 PM]
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5/6/2007  2:01 PM
OK but what if a team with a core of players under 26 making the playoffs and battling with a team in the first round, maybe advancing? would that be cause for optimism?

this is like entourage. would a team with 6 players under 27 plus a rookie and veterans riding out their peak years making the playoffs and winning a handful games in the playoffs be something you're interesetd in?

look at the bulls, they made the playoffs last year as a young team and fought with the heat and lost in 6. this year they all improve, specifically deng/gordon/hinrich, and sweep the heat and are now in the 2nd round. you don't just all of a sudden turn around and make the nba finals.
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5/6/2007  2:03 PM
get ready to put your money where your moth is.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/6/2007  2:05 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL @ God Willing barring no injuries.

So we've already started with the built in excuse again.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-06-2007 12:59 PM]

Perfectly said.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/6/2007  2:07 PM
Philly has 3 picks in the draft including a lottery pick

Boston is picking no lower than 4th

Raps and Nets have better teams
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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5/6/2007  2:08 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

OK but what if a team with a core of players under 26 making the playoffs and battling with a team in the first round, maybe advancing? would that be cause for optimism?

this is like entourage. would a team with 6 players under 27 plus a rookie and veterans riding out their peak years making the playoffs and winning a handful games in the playoffs be something you're interesetd in?

look at the bulls, they made the playoffs last year as a young team and fought with the heat and lost in 6. this year they all improve, specifically deng/gordon/hinrich, and sweep the heat and are now in the 2nd round. you don't just all of a sudden turn around and make the nba finals.

It's the optimist (what I was') vs. the been beat'n down so many times with the same old story, that it calls for major overhauls! Nothing less.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/6/2007  2:09 PM
quiet haters.


take a deep breath.


you're all on suicide watch.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/6/2007  2:21 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

OK but what if a team with a core of players under 26 making the playoffs and battling with a team in the first round, maybe advancing? would that be cause for optimism?

this is like entourage. would a team with 6 players under 27 plus a rookie and veterans riding out their peak years making the playoffs and winning a handful games in the playoffs be something you're interesetd in?

look at the bulls, they made the playoffs last year as a young team and fought with the heat and lost in 6. this year they all improve, specifically deng/gordon/hinrich, and sweep the heat and are now in the 2nd round. you don't just all of a sudden turn around and make the nba finals.

Sm00th, they ain't getting anywhere if they don't improve. The rest of the league isn't standing still.
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5/6/2007  2:28 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL @ God Willing barring no injuries.

So we've already started with the built in excuse again.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-06-2007 12:59 PM]

Perfectly said.

My only question is what players do we need to add so that when the injury(ies) happen we'll still remain the legit playoff threat that we apparently are?
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/6/2007  2:45 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL @ God Willing barring no injuries.

So we've already started with the built in excuse again.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-06-2007 12:59 PM]

Perfectly said.

My only question is what players do we need to add so that when the injury(ies) happen we'll still remain the legit playoff threat that we apparently are?

Marbury, Francis, Robinson, Collins, Frye, Balkman, Jeffries, James, Malik, Cato, etc, should fit the bill, no?

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5/6/2007  3:07 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

why does curry have to develop into a defensive beast? they need to draft a shot blocker named sean williams and then we can all stop worrying about his defensive in efficiency. and he doesn't need to rebound big when he has two fowards both averaging over 10 a game (balkman and lee).

I missed the NBA's rule change that the Knicks will be allowed to play 6 players at a time.
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5/6/2007  3:39 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL @ God Willing barring no injuries.

So we've already started with the built in excuse again.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-06-2007 12:59 PM]

Perfectly said.

My only question is what players do we need to add so that when the injury(ies) happen we'll still remain the legit playoff threat that we apparently are?

Marbury, Francis, Robinson, Collins, Frye, Balkman, Jeffries, James, Malik, Cato, etc, should fit the bill, no?

Not quite enough and considering the MLE may not be used and draft pick if used may not contribute, we're in trouble. Not to mention this team is more than capable of getting into another brawl when they start the season off slow again, suspensions to follow. Seriously who approaches a season thinking no injuries will happen?
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/6/2007  3:48 PM
who seriously approaches a season predicting a brawl with suspensions to follow? this is absurd.

love the pecimism though.

and why was lee left off that team mentioned? replace cato with lee and add the conference's best rebounder. no big deal that you left him off though...
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