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If The Knicks Morphed Into Winners, How Much Would You Still Hate Dolan?
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Bonn1997
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5/6/2007  8:32 AM
I hope you're right but I'm gonna remain skeptical
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islesfan
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5/6/2007  12:46 PM
If The Knicks Continue to Lose, How Much Would Misterearl's BS change?

My guess is not much.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
4949
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5/6/2007  12:54 PM
Posted by simrud:

I think everybody should just get over the "I hate" whoever because the team is bad. Just don't watch. I simply stopped watching them last year a quarter into the season. Call me when they are fun to watch again. Very simple. Its just sports. There is plenty other things to do, only reason I'm still posting here it for old times sakes.

It would be funny if no one called you for ten years.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/6/2007  2:55 PM
MisterEarl, who do you root for more? Particular people associated with the Knicks? Or the Knicks themselves?
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5/6/2007  11:14 PM
I have no problems with Dolan. He has enough money to be a moran. LOL

Organization can win or lose but still have respect.
This organization get read of everyone and everything that can be respected.
This will take a long time to repare the damage. And we not even started.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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5/6/2007  11:28 PM
If ISAYUGH walks away from all of this like he did the CBA should we think highly of him?
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5/6/2007  11:31 PM
1 championship & i could care less how long i waited... it's always sweetest the 1st time around after a long wait... there was no feeling like when the Yankees won a championship in '96 after i waited 18 years since the last time i celebrated, & i was too young in '78 to truly appreciate how special a feeling that was & how much it was to be cherished... i've never witnessed a Knicks' championship before, & i have a feeling it would be just as sweet if not sweeter than that feeling i had in '96.
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5/7/2007  10:20 AM
I could care less who the owner and GM and coach are if..........my team is winning.
I just hope that people will like me
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5/7/2007  10:36 AM
Team wins, all is forgiven.

Why is "blame" so important anyway.

Layden is long gone and "his mess" was nothing different than what we go.

A front line with a healthy Camby and Mcdyss would have been killer. It was flawed, but it was a plan. Layden, like Isiah has some very "special" circumstances to work with.

I can forgive if they can satisfy.

Our teams guards are Marbury, Who has scored the most points in the NBA without getting past round 1. And Crawford who now holds the longest tenure for not making the playoffs: 7 years.

Its not their "Fault", but Isiah by adding the Francis', the Gazys with those guys you build a chemistry that has never succeeded. Lead by the "Surly" one its no stroke of genius to figure out why this is such a mess.

Now we gonna add JO who has also lead his team to dissapointment!

Latrell succeeded here because he came to a strong character team (LJ, H20, Charlie).

Bottom line was Laydens mess played hard and together. Isiahs Mess has yet to prove this despite supperior talent. Bottom line is wins and losses.

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5/7/2007  11:56 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Team wins, all is forgiven.

Why is "blame" so important anyway.

Layden is long gone and "his mess" was nothing different than what we go.

A front line with a healthy Camby and Mcdyss would have been killer. It was flawed, but it was a plan. Layden, like Isiah has some very "special" circumstances to work with.

I can forgive if they can satisfy.

Our teams guards are Marbury, Who has scored the most points in the NBA without getting past round 1. And Crawford who now holds the longest tenure for not making the playoffs: 7 years.

Its not their "Fault", but Isiah by adding the Francis', the Gazys with those guys you build a chemistry that has never succeeded. Lead by the "Surly" one its no stroke of genius to figure out why this is such a mess.

Now we gonna add JO who has also lead his team to dissapointment!

Latrell succeeded here because he came to a strong character team (LJ, H20, Charlie).

Bottom line was Laydens mess played hard and together. Isiahs Mess has yet to prove this despite supperior talent. Bottom line is wins and losses.

Hard to disagree but it is also important how you lose.
Loses are acceptable when the team is going in right direction and loses to superior clubs.
Sometimes team must sacrifice the win now to develop players, team chemistry and identity
I would accept loses if they have a purpose.
The Knicks losing we are witnessing last 9-10 years are useless and though unacceptable.
We need at least Poker mentality but have the Blackjack mentality so far. You need luck but relying only on luck makes one a definitive loser.




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5/7/2007  12:12 PM
Posted by Nalod:
A front line with a healthy Camby and Mcdyss would have been killer. It was flawed, but it was a plan. Layden, like Isiah has some very "special" circumstances to work with.

I can forgive if they can satisfy.

A front line of Camby and McDyess would have been killer. Also a fantasy, as we traded Camby for McDyess.

Its amazing to me that some here defend the trading of one of the best defenders in the NBA + a draft pick we knew was lottery for a gimpy past-his-prime former all-star who played 10 games for us in two years then turn around and criticize Isiah for trading for a 19.5ppg future all-star while giving up a similar package, or for the trade that attempted to couple Marbury with Houston, a back-court that really would have been killer.

Makes you wonder what is really going on.
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5/7/2007  1:01 PM
4949 - I don't think you can guarantee that you will be drawing breath tomorrow

let alone what the Knicks will be doing in three years
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5/7/2007  1:04 PM
bonn - you entertain a hypothetical question for the same reason people fantasize over Kevin Garnett

or the same reason people post endless trades from the checker

or the same reson we will watch Summer League and visualize some cat from out of nowhere in October training camp



what else you gunna do in the off season other than work on your tan?
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misterearl
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5/7/2007  1:16 PM
Allanfan - I am a Knicks fan

I root for ANY player who wears orange and blue. Win or lose.

Does this mean that I ignore the human flaws of bad decisions? Not at all. But to the extent that I can control the art of the deal, or the final outcome... it's only enetertainment.

I don't kvetch over things I can't control. Nor do I assume I know more than anyone else. I probably know much less because hoops is just entertainment and I reserve the right to be as arbitrary as needed in my loyalty.

I pull for management to make good decisions in the context of the corporate structure of the franchise but i could care less about the personal flaws of Dolan, Zeke, Kelly Tripucka or Greg Brittenham. However, i did meet Mike Sauders and considered him a good guy. He listens to doo-wop so he is a friend of mine.

if watching the Knicks doesn't make you happy, then I would suggest protesting by simply not supporting the franchise by not purchasing merchandise, susbscribing to broadcasts or an product associated with the team.

People who root for the team to lose because of some personal bias don't deserve comment. They are not Knicks fans. They go into the trash.

Does that help?
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5/7/2007  1:26 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Nalod:
A front line with a healthy Camby and Mcdyss would have been killer. It was flawed, but it was a plan. Layden, like Isiah has some very "special" circumstances to work with.

I can forgive if they can satisfy.

A front line of Camby and McDyess would have been killer. Also a fantasy, as we traded Camby for McDyess.

Its amazing to me that some here defend the trading of one of the best defenders in the NBA + a draft pick we knew was lottery for a gimpy past-his-prime former all-star who played 10 games for us in two years then turn around and criticize Isiah for trading for a 19.5ppg future all-star while giving up a similar package, or for the trade that attempted to couple Marbury with Houston, a back-court that really would have been killer.

Makes you wonder what is really going on.

Right, forgot the details. Its old history. Thanks for the correction.

Camby was really beaten down in ny and always hurt. "Bambi" ressurection happend in his contract year and he finally manned up!

Im glad for him, but it was not happening here at all.

NENE has not done too much with his career but I do like his upside still.
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5/7/2007  1:30 PM
Nalod - Camby was Spree's best friend on the team. Dolan didn't like they way both of them did not hold to company policy. They were rebels. Troublemakers.

Spree and Camby (and no, it's not so simple as Camby was not hurt "all the time") were as bothersome as Marv Albert.

In Dolan's eyes, they all had to go.
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5/7/2007  1:36 PM
Rear View Mirror

Camby and Amare on the same frontline would have been fun to watch

Houston and Marbury would have been interesting.
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5/7/2007  1:57 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Rear View Mirror

Camby and Amare on the same frontline would have been fun to watch

Imagine having a GM with Isiah's nose for talent in the draft and penchant for doing the unexpected. I mean, look at the guys who dropped out of the lottery that year...Juan Dixon was controversial at 17 but he never lived up to the hype that had many thinking he would be picked sooner. But you also had Tayshaun Prince (23rd), Nenad Krstic (24th), and Carlos Boozer (35th). Our man was eyeing Chris Wilcox if he hadn't picked Nene for Denver. Wouldn't mind having him right now either.
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misterearl
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5/8/2007  3:06 PM
rembee - you think Isiah is better with utilization of higher picks (Camby, McGrady) or uncovering the diamond-in-the-rough (Collins, Lee, Balkman) type dude?
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5/8/2007  3:15 PM
T-Mac wasn't even a top draft pick, but was picked 9th with greats like Adonal Foyle and Tony Battie picked ahead of him.

I was raging after we didn't pick up Williams last year, but there is still a simple answer to your question...high or low pick, there is no one I would rather have as my GM come draft time. No one.
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