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bobs3304
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5/4/2007  1:51 PM
1st of all, we're far away and here's why -


Eddy Curry.


He's been put on the pedestal, you can't go crazy like GS with a post up Center.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/4/2007  2:03 PM
bobs3304 - I knew someone would take the cheesey bait and play the Eddy Curry card

what about running David Lee at center?

and who dared to put Eddy Curry on a pedestal?

the objective is 20-25 team assists.
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5/4/2007  2:38 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

1st of all, we're far away and here's why -


Eddy Curry.


He's been put on the pedestal, you can't go crazy like GS with a post up Center.

I believe EC IS the KEY to us winning big. The ONLY team that can stop EC is the Knicks. How? Because they play with Frye + Jefferies as their main 3-4 cogs and they are NOT a true piece of the puzzle --they hinder the puzzle. If you are able to open up lanes by having a multitude of slashers and consistent outside scorers with Blackman taking the 4 spot and the big men rotating Curry Blackman starting with Lee as a big minute 6th man[cutting down on Currys minutes with Frye[if we keep him as the situational 4th big. Jefferies is nothing--not a rotation player--from there on in we have Collins Crawford Marbury and we have to make decisions on Nate[possibly stay] Francis[trade if we can] q rich[is he going to be healthy?] so we need 2 more wing guards--if WE added Barnes and Almond


that would put us @ 9
C-Curry 6-11
F Blackman 6-7
G Barnes 6-7
G Crawford 6-5
G Marbury 6-2
C/PF Lee 6-9
G Almond 6-6
G Q Rich 6-6[nate for now]
PG Collins 6-6
Situiational and FT Frye Nate Jefferies
RIP Crushalot😞
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5/4/2007  2:48 PM
What makes people even remotely think Barnes wants to come back here if the Knicks had interests? Trust me he won't. He's in Nellie's Top 6 rotation anyway, so he's going nowhere. Their cap situation is kind screwy next yr but they'll probably give Barnes close to an MLE deal and maybe operate above the Lux Tax for a yr. They've essentially made their monies worth this season by advancing and pack an arena full of 20,000+ for 3gms and will more than likely do it again another 3gms. In the next 2yrs their cap situation becomes more friendly so Barnes is probably their keeper. It will be interesting to see what they do with Pietrus.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/4/2007  2:59 PM
Briggs - thank you. at least you have vision

Some people prefer to bitch and moan about the past

Some people look forward and consider the possibilities

The Knicks can uncover a fluid forward in the draft and find another Matt Barnes at The Rucker.





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5/4/2007  3:07 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Briggs - thank you. at least you have vision

Some people prefer to bitch and moan about the past

Some people look forward and consider the possibilities

The Knicks can uncover a fluid forward in the draft and find another Matt Barnes at The Rucker.


We're about 12-15 major moves from being a legit team.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
misterearl
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5/4/2007  3:13 PM
TrueBlue - care to elaborate on your 12-15 major moves?

or would you prefer to simply hurl spit balls without any substance?

don't make me no never mind either way
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bobs3304
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5/4/2007  3:22 PM
Eddy Curry is special not b/c he's a scorer, but b/c he does it DOMINANTLY.

When you have a force like that, and you plan on keeping it around, a certain style will increase your success.


Dwight Howard, Ben Wallace, and Emeka Okafor couldn't shut down Curry. That's a building block.

In fact the only player I've noticed that can stop him is Collin in Jersey. But if Curry adds a jumpshot that's all she wrote.


Basically if you're dumping it down low alot, (like San An does with Duncan or Houstin with Yao), you need to build on defense, bottom line.


I think we need a new coach. After that I'd like to see us start building with defense, while Curry gets better...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
bobs3304
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5/4/2007  3:23 PM
Btw I love David Lee, just love the way he plays and that he's a white boy.


But if you are building with defense, you can't have him start at PF.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/4/2007  4:17 PM
mistearl,

What your proposing is pretty ridiculous.

The Warriors have about 4 guys who can flat out knock it down from the outside and get to the rim with relative ease. The Knicks have maybe their 1 and 2 when there not completely shooting erratic who are capable of both the inside and outside game. Maybe Monta Ellis and Crawford are even but thats really only because of inexperience of Ellis. Every small forward the Knicks have is leap years away from the likes of Stephen Jackson and Jason Richardson. Btw your lying to yourself if you believe that Balkman is better than Matt Barnes. I mean Matt Barnes has acutal basketball skills not just athleticsm.

They have a post player in Pietrus who can rebound and this is the big one BLOCK SHOTS. No one on the Knicks teams has shown themselves capable of blocking shots consistently because after all block shots are overrated.

Baron Davis is a better basketball player than Stephon Marbury period. If Davis is healthy the guy can play with the best of them in this league. He's stronger a better shooter from the outside and just as quick as Marbury.

Almost every Knick player with the exception of maybe 2 or 3 is not capable of guarding anyone of note in this league. Maybe Collins but again he cann't shoot and has the quickness of a mule. Maybe Balkman but again he has very little offensive skills other than dunking. Don't even get me started on our other so-called defensive stopper Ared Jefferies. The rest of our guys play either no defense totally, aren't capable of playing defense (David Lee, Jamal Crawford), too dumb to understand basic defensive concepts (Steve Francis), or play it inconsistently (Stephon Marbury).

This is coming from a fan of the Mavs and believe me I would like nothing more than to take credit away from the Warriors but there is no way the Knicks are even in striking distance of their talent level. At any position. I would take more time to go over some other inconsistencies with your arguments but I just don't feel like it.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 05-04-2007 4:24 PM]
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5/4/2007  4:48 PM
Posted by bitty41:

mistearl,

What your proposing is pretty ridiculous.

The Warriors have about 4 guys who can flat out knock it down from the outside and get to the rim with relative ease. The Knicks have maybe their 1 and 2 when there not completely shooting erratic who are capable of both the inside and outside game. Maybe Monta Ellis and Crawford are even but thats really only because of inexperience of Ellis. Every small forward the Knicks have is leap years away from the likes of Stephen Jackson and Jason Richardson. Btw your lying to yourself if you believe that Balkman is better than Matt Barnes. I mean Matt Barnes has acutal basketball skills not just athleticsm.

They have a post player in Pietrus who can rebound and this is the big one BLOCK SHOTS. No one on the Knicks teams has shown themselves capable of blocking shots consistently because after all block shots are overrated.

Baron Davis is a better basketball player than Stephon Marbury period. If Davis is healthy the guy can play with the best of them in this league. He's stronger a better shooter from the outside and just as quick as Marbury.

Almost every Knick player with the exception of maybe 2 or 3 is not capable of guarding anyone of note in this league. Maybe Collins but again he cann't shoot and has the quickness of a mule. Maybe Balkman but again he has very little offensive skills other than dunking. Don't even get me started on our other so-called defensive stopper Ared Jefferies. The rest of our guys play either no defense totally, aren't capable of playing defense (David Lee, Jamal Crawford), too dumb to understand basic defensive concepts (Steve Francis), or play it inconsistently (Stephon Marbury).

This is coming from a fan of the Mavs and believe me I would like nothing more than to take credit away from the Warriors but there is no way the Knicks are even in striking distance of their talent level. At any position. I would take more time to go over some other inconsistencies with your arguments but I just don't feel like it.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 05-04-2007 4:24 PM]

sorry about your mavs bit...now you can focus your full attention on the raptors...
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5/4/2007  4:50 PM
Briggs - thank you. at least you have vision

Some people prefer to bitch and moan about the past
Maybe others see that Eddy's a lazy bum who has actually regressed yearly in most areas of the game and have the "vision" to fear what his continued regression would lead to.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-04-2007 4:52 PM]
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5/4/2007  4:54 PM
sorry about your mavs bit...now you can focus your full attention on the raptors...

I appreciate your condolences its going to be a very bitter summer.
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5/4/2007  5:16 PM
bitter bitty!
bitty41
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5/4/2007  5:19 PM
hahahahahaha yea that about suits me right now.
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5/4/2007  6:05 PM
Baron has had more success than Steph in the playoffs, but in terms of the actual skills they are about as close as 2 players can get. Both are strong, Baron and Steph are both explosive and both can kill you from inside and out.

Career stats:
Baron: 34.9 mpg - 41% FG - 32% 3pt - 68% FT - 4 rpg - 7 ast - 1.9 stls - 2.76 TO - 16.4 ppg

Steph: 38.4 mpg - 43% FG - 32% 3pt - 78% FT - 3 rpg - 7.9 ast - 1.2 stls - 3.08 TO - 19.9 ppg

In the last few years Steph has toned down his offensive game, but we saw that he can still score at a high level if he wants to. Personally I would prefer to see a mix of the two styles. I don't want the knicks to try to imitate what they've done in GS. We have already begun to form a more traditional post team and I think we should keep moving in that direction. However that doesn't mean that we can't be flexible when Curry isn't on the floor and run a bit more. Heck if Curry improves his conditioning and rebounding we can run with him on the floor. But I want the post game to be a staple of what we do. Coupled with strong perimeter shooting and passing, it's a great way to go for success in the playoffs.
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5/4/2007  8:28 PM
SMH................
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5/4/2007  8:52 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Baron has had more success than Steph in the playoffs, but in terms of the actual skills they are about as close as 2 players can get. Both are strong, Baron and Steph are both explosive and both can kill you from inside and out.

Career stats:
Baron: 34.9 mpg - 41% FG - 32% 3pt - 68% FT - 4 rpg - 7 ast - 1.9 stls - 2.76 TO - 16.4 ppg

Steph: 38.4 mpg - 43% FG - 32% 3pt - 78% FT - 3 rpg - 7.9 ast - 1.2 stls - 3.08 TO - 19.9 ppg

In the last few years Steph has toned down his offensive game, but we saw that he can still score at a high level if he wants to. Personally I would prefer to see a mix of the two styles. I don't want the knicks to try to imitate what they've done in GS. We have already begun to form a more traditional post team and I think we should keep moving in that direction. However that doesn't mean that we can't be flexible when Curry isn't on the floor and run a bit more. Heck if Curry improves his conditioning and rebounding we can run with him on the floor. But I want the post game to be a staple of what we do. Coupled with strong perimeter shooting and passing, it's a great way to go for success in the playoffs.

Playoffs:

Davis
37 minutes, 18.1 pts., 6.5 ast., 4.6 reb., 41% FG, 35% 3pt, 68% FT.


Marbury
43 minutes, 19.4 pts., 6.5 ast., 3.8 reb., 37% FG, 28% 3pt, 73% FT.
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5/4/2007  10:27 PM
nix and joec - thank you both for the careful statistical research on Marbury and Davis. The two players are mirror images of each other.

Besides, they both have round heads
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5/4/2007  10:34 PM
statistically similar.

Baron shows a ton more leadership than Marbury on the court.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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