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Allanfan20
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5/2/2007  11:37 AM
Man, that triple teamed thing doesn't mean crap. It's not like that's happening every posession of the game.

Here's a good example of why that's a bad excuse. Jason Kidd: When the guy penetrates, the guy literally gets quadruple teamed, quintouple teamed. It just happens, the whole team collapses on him, yet he's still getting 8 rebounds a game, and he's what, 6'2"?, 6'3"?

It's not an excuse. Curry should be averaging AT LEAST 10 rebouds, and AT LEAST a block a game.

And now that we're gonna talk about blocked shots, lets look at it this way. It is absolutely unexcplicable as to why he doesn't get more a game. He should be getting 1 a game, even if he isn't a shotblocker, just by trying. I say that, because Kurt Thomas and Nazr busted their arses, but they were NOT shotblockers, yet both got about 1 a game each. Nazr, maybe a little more. No excuse for Curry. It's all about trying in these cases.
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5/2/2007  12:14 PM
Curry needs to work on his effort and his timing on rebounds, this isn't debatable. I don't plan on his improving much in this area, 8 rebs per game are about as much as you can expect from him.

However, there is clearly a link between the attention Curry gets and the team's over-all proficiency in rebounding. The Knicks lead the league in rebounding differential largely because they are very good at getting the offensive rebound, while they are near the top at preventing their opponents from getting the defensive rebound.

I'd say a large part of that is Curry taking two, sometimes three guys out of position. While Lee's man is switching over to Curry, no one is boxing him out and he is free to slip in for the miss. Curry’s first year here the Knicks Offensive bounding improved (Lee helped of course as well) and this dynamic only got better as Curry got more attention this year and Lee got more pt.

Look, good things happen when you have a guy like Curry in there, its fundamental basketball. Knicks have to do a better job taking advantage of it.
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5/2/2007  12:20 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Curry needs to work on his effort and his timing on rebounds, this isn't debatable. I don't plan on his improving much in this area, 8 rebs per game are about as much as you can expect from him.

However, there is clearly a link between the attention Curry gets and the team's over-all proficiency in rebounding. The Knicks lead the league in rebounding differential largely because they are very good at getting the offensive rebound, while they are near the top at preventing their opponents from getting the defensive rebound.

I'd say a large part of that is Curry taking two, sometimes three guys out of position. While Lee's man is switching over to Curry, no one is boxing him out and he is free to slip in for the miss. Curry’s first year here the Knicks Offensive bounding improved (Lee helped of course as well) and this dynamic only got better as Curry got more attention this year and Lee got more pt.

Look, good things happen when you have a guy like Curry in there, its fundamental basketball. Knicks have to do a better job taking advantage of it.

Did you know a ton of bad things happen while Curry is in there? Like turnovers, poor interior defense, stagnant offense leading to violations, lack of other players developing their game.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-02-2007 11:48 AM]
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5/2/2007  12:46 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Curry needs to work on his effort and his timing on rebounds, this isn't debatable. I don't plan on his improving much in this area, 8 rebs per game are about as much as you can expect from him.

However, there is clearly a link between the attention Curry gets and the team's over-all proficiency in rebounding. The Knicks lead the league in rebounding differential largely because they are very good at getting the offensive rebound, while they are near the top at preventing their opponents from getting the defensive rebound.

I'd say a large part of that is Curry taking two, sometimes three guys out of position. While Lee's man is switching over to Curry, no one is boxing him out and he is free to slip in for the miss. Curry’s first year here the Knicks Offensive bounding improved (Lee helped of course as well) and this dynamic only got better as Curry got more attention this year and Lee got more pt.

Look, good things happen when you have a guy like Curry in there, its fundamental basketball. Knicks have to do a better job taking advantage of it.

Interesting take, but I don't buy it.

Curry didn't receive any significant attention (double teams) until this year.

From 82games.com:
Net impact on rebounding 2005/2006 season: -1.5%
Net impact on rebounding 2006/2007 season: -2.2%

Maybe the guys he's taken "out of position" are closer to the basket after he's taken a shot - and therefore in fact in better position.
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5/2/2007  12:56 PM
Posted by mythfaze:
Maybe the guys he's taken "out of position" are closer to the basket after he's taken a shot - and therefore in fact in better position.

But Curry's not taking all the shots, is he? And +/- stats are suspect when you are evaluating a guy who plays over 35mpg. You have to look at line-ups, whose coming in to replace him, etc.

When you have two guys bodying up to Curry, that means there is at least one Knick who isn't getting boxed out, that’s logical enough, isn't it? You don't think Lee benefits from that? We'll have to agree to disagree.
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5/2/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by mythfaze:

Interesting take, but I don't buy it.

Curry didn't receive any significant attention (double teams) until this year.

From 82games.com:
Net impact on rebounding 2005/2006 season: -1.5%
Net impact on rebounding 2006/2007 season: -2.2%

Maybe the guys he's taken "out of position" are closer to the basket after he's taken a shot - and therefore in fact in better position.

on a related note, i was surprised at how many offensive rebounds the mavs in particular gave up last night. i figured it was because guys like dirk and the rest of the mavs were out trying to cover the warriors shooters (i.e. not post-up bigmen), a lot of time four guys spotted up outside. not the only reason, but it helped the warriors steal a few long rebounds over the course of the game.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 05-02-2007 12:59 PM]
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5/2/2007  1:03 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Man, that triple teamed thing doesn't mean crap. It's not like that's happening every posession of the game.

Here's a good example of why that's a bad excuse. Jason Kidd: When the guy penetrates, the guy literally gets quadruple teamed, quintouple teamed. It just happens, the whole team collapses on him, yet he's still getting 8 rebounds a game, and he's what, 6'2"?, 6'3"?

It's not an excuse. Curry should be averaging AT LEAST 10 rebouds, and AT LEAST a block a game.

And now that we're gonna talk about blocked shots, lets look at it this way. It is absolutely unexcplicable as to why he doesn't get more a game. He should be getting 1 a game, even if he isn't a shotblocker, just by trying. I say that, because Kurt Thomas and Nazr busted their arses, but they were NOT shotblockers, yet both got about 1 a game each. Nazr, maybe a little more. No excuse for Curry. It's all about trying in these cases.

Yep.

And I'm sick and tired of people pointing tot he double and triple teams as an asset to the team or to Eddy Curry. As was pointed out on one of the message boards I post on, teams send three guys at Curry because they know he'll turn the ball over or fail to locate the open man. On the off chance he doesn't turn the ball over and does locate the open man, the Knicks don't have one decent shooter on the team.

Teams double and triple team Curry because there is little to no risk involved in doing so, especially when Isiah insists on force-feeding him the ball to pad his stats.
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5/3/2007  8:58 AM
is this thread serious?? o_o

Curry is lucky to even average 7 board per game since 4-5 of them usually fall into his hands.
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5/3/2007  9:56 AM
Yeah I still find it amazing that fans are actually trying to justify a 7 foot 300 pound athletic force, averaging 7 rebounds a game. It screams lack of effort yet people will go to the death defending and thus prolonging it.

Hopefully Aguirre won't be making these same excuses and work on getting this guy to hit the boards.
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5/3/2007  10:42 AM
It's so hard to comprehend too, b/c it's not like low post scoring is an easy thing. It's hard as hell, just like anything else in basketball, so if Eddy is gonna go through something so difficult like scoring 20 points a game in the post, why can't he do something, which should really be EASIER, in just jumping a freaking measly foot in the air, which even I can do, and I've got as much White Man's disease as the next guy, and grabbing a board. It's just a matter of boxing out. Maybe he just needs to learn how to do that. Maybe Aguirre just needs to work with Eddie on just feeling feeling the opponents out when boxing them out.
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5/3/2007  12:55 PM
It's not technique. It's effort. Ask yourself when was the last time you saw Eddie Curry actually pursue a rebound? If you can actually remember a moment I can guarantee he got that rebound. How many times do you see a guard take a jumper and watch Eddie loaf back on D before the ball even hits the rim? 100% of the time he stands there and will jump straight up to grab the ball should it happen to come to him. DLee and Balkman get rebounds because they pursue them. No other reason.

it's effort and he is not giving it. It's his mindset and we have to obliterate that mindset(which is the toughest thing to do in basketball).
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5/3/2007  1:12 PM
Bip, I agree with the effort part, but the technique comes with the effort. Sometimes you just gotto box out, and in my opinion, boxing out is a skill. But with boxing out comes with a lot of effort, just as it does with his low post scoring, or simply jumping up to get the rebound or playing D and I think Curry needs to be more like a Kurt Thomas type of guy, in terms of his rebounding, just b/c he's a BIG and power player, and doesn't have as much quickness to just run into traffic and go up and grab rebounds like Camby or Dlee and and Ro B. Was that a run on sentence?

B/c in all seriousness, if Eddie stays in the same weight range of 280 lbs to 310 lbs, we're gonna be saying, 5 years down the road, how Curry is slow as a slug from injuries and can't leave the floor, and if he doesn't have boxxing out as part of a skill set, he's going to have a lot of trouble staying in the league.
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5/3/2007  1:34 PM
I do agree with you that he needs to learn to box out. But I don't think that is the reason he is averaging 7 rebounds a game. If he pursued a rebound and never boxed out he could still add 3 rebounds to his game. If he pursued AND LEARNED TO BOX OUT he would put himself amongst the league leaders.

Do neither and you get what we have gotten. Five rebounds a game for his career and 7 this year. He is the biggest guy on the floor and despite his weight is not a slug. He needs to work half as hard as Oak and Mase and the other guys to get a rebound. Yet we still see 7 rebounds per game
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