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nixluva
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5/1/2007  8:27 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Bippity, I pretty much agree with your assessment of Marbury. He had a good year and if he can play like he did this year for the next two years, we will not have to worry too much about the starting PG spot.

I also agree that we need to start developing a backup pg as insurance for injuries and because we need another guy that can run the offense. Nate clearly cannot do it and Crawford is only decent at best at running the offense. Collins showed in his limited time that he knows how to run an offense and make a post entry pass, which are two things we sorely needed. If Mardy can develop his outside shot, he should be able to score enough to justify getting significant minutes next year. It is amazing that we all thought that Balkman was IT's great find, but Mardy has the chance to have just as much of an impact on this team next year.

I think that we saw some early signs that Mardy had something. Part of the problem was his lack of PT. I never really go overboard until I see a player get a chance. I felt that Isiah made 2 solid picks in terms of what this team needed. Balkman and Collins filled specific needs and it turns out that both are looking like they can help this team if they can add jump shots they are locks to be key members of the team for years to come.

I think Mardy's showing late in the season was the BEST news we got from this year. We brought him in to hopefully fill that spot and now he looks like the frontrunner to be the back up PG. He's doing just what we wanted. Solid PG play and D. PLUS he's adding rebounding and it looks like his offensive game has a chance to be solid down the line. WE go into next year with Steph and Mardy and we know they can play together since we got a chance to see that. We will have Steph, Jamal and Mardy to get the bulk of the minutes and that looks pretty good to me.
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5/2/2007  9:48 AM
I like Mardy and he definitley gives us some things that others on the team do not. He is a two way player that does everything on the floor. I do think one problem with him is that with Eddie being triple teamed he has to be able to shoot. I think he will develop, but ideally in my view you want a dead eye shooter at the guard spots.
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5/3/2007  10:34 PM
strengths: still 1 of the hardest guys to stop 1 on 1... a very good scoring G... attitude improved this year... gave forth effort on the D for a change

weaknesses: is not a leader & never will be... has a warped sense of accomplishment... is satisfied if he has a great game every once in a while even when his team's record is at the bottom of the Conference... not an instinctual passer & doesn't have great court vision for a PG... apt to make costly turnovers or miss FT's when the pressure's on (though he did a better job of it this season, still needs a lot of work IMO)... will never lead this team to a championship.
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5/4/2007  5:47 AM
L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Kwame Brown
6-11 C from Glynn Academy (HS)
8.4 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.6 minutes

Vladimir Radmanovic
6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
6.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.0 minutes

Maurice Evans
6-5 SG from Texas
8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.8 minutes

1st round pick

Incoming

Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 37.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -7.0 ppg, -9.3 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

New York Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 37.2 minutes

Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland
11.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.9 apg in 28.1 minutes

Lakers 1st round pick

Incoming

Kwame Brown
6-11 C from Glynn Academy (HS)
8.4 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.6 minutes

Vladimir Radmanovic
6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
6.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.0 minutes

Maurice Evans
6-5 SG from Texas
8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.8 minutes

Corey Maggette
6-6 SG from Duke
16.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.8 apg in 30.6 minutes

Sam Cassell
6-3 PG from Florida State
12.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.7 apg in 24.3 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
2.0 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: +26.9 ppg, +16.6 rpg, and +2.4 apg.

L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Corey Maggette
6-6 SG from Duke
16.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.8 apg in 30.6 minutes

Sam Cassell
6-3 PG from Florida State
12.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.7 apg in 24.3 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
2.0 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.7 minutes

Incoming

Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland
11.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.9 apg in 28.1 minutes

Lakers 1st round pick

Cut Kwame(FA after next), Cut Evans(FA after next)....Cut Aaron Williams(FA after next), Cassell can tutor Mardy for a year then he is a FA. Maggette only has 2 years left on his deal.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 04 May 2007 05:50]
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5/4/2007  9:11 AM
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5/4/2007  5:22 PM
This isn't the fantasy trades thread?!?
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5/4/2007  5:24 PM
Strength: Marburys Head looks pretty strong

Weakness: Marburys Mind is pretty weak
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5/4/2007  8:54 PM
Heard it on the radio today. As per Dan Patrick:

Tracy McGrady is #2 on the list of players that have scored the most points without a playoffs series win.

#1 on the list? Our own Stephon Marbury.
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5/4/2007  9:06 PM
^ You throw a dead eye shooter in with Curry and Marbury (Miller, Lewis), and defenders at the 3 and 4, with a solid bench and you'll have a playoff series win.


Marbury can still get it done.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 05-04-2007 9:06 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/4/2007  9:23 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ You throw a dead eye shooter in with Curry and Marbury (Miller, Lewis), and defenders at the 3 and 4, with a solid bench and you'll have a playoff series win.


Marbury can still get it done.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 05-04-2007 9:06 PM]
You're talking about going from the 12th best team in the east to top 4. I think you need a lot more (which we have no way of getting) than just a shooter.
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5/4/2007  9:25 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ You throw a dead eye shooter in with Curry and Marbury (Miller, Lewis), and defenders at the 3 and 4, with a solid bench and you'll have a playoff series win.

Charlie Ward took this team to the Finals w/a dead eye shooter & defenders at the 3 & 4 (Spree & LJ) & Ewing who couldn't guard anyone his last year here as a NY Knick because of his knees... i'd expect a championship if we could put together another team like that w/Marbury's talent, only something tells me this team still wouldn't win one... i just have zero faith that he'll ever be a part of any championship contending team in his career.
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5/4/2007  9:26 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


You're talking about going from the 12th best team in the east to top 4. I think you need a lot more (which we have no way of getting) than just a shooter.


Right...

Which is why I also said defenders...

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/4/2007  9:30 PM
Posted by TMS:


Charlie Ward took this team to the Finals w/a dead eye shooter & defenders at the 3 & 4 (Spree & LJ) & Ewing who couldn't guard anyone his last year here as a NY Knick because of his knees... i'd expect a championship if we could put together another team like that w/Marbury's talent, only something tells me this team still wouldn't win one... i just have zero faith that he'll ever be a part of any championship contending team in his career.


^ precisely.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/4/2007  9:48 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Bonn1997:


You're talking about going from the 12th best team in the east to top 4. I think you need a lot more (which we have no way of getting) than just a shooter.


Right...

Which is why I also said defenders...
Sorry, I misread your point. If you're talking about adding multiple defenders and a good shooter, you might be right but I have no idea how the team's gonna add that. We have probably the fewest resources to improve out of all 30 NBA teams.
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5/5/2007  12:10 PM
Weakness: Not creative, piss poor passing ability to the post, doesn't create enough easy opportunities for his teammates, can't throw a lob pass to save his life on a consistent basis. very weak mid range game, getting worse and worse with his three point shot not a consistent as it should be for a 6'2'' pg. runs a very poor fast break.(Totally lacking leadership ability) see Baron Davis

Strenghts: can get to the basket on a regular basis.
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5/5/2007  12:38 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Weakness: Not creative, piss poor passing ability to the post, doesn't create enough easy opportunities for his teammates, can't throw a lob pass to save his life on a consistent basis. very weak mid range game, getting worse and worse with his three point shot not a consistent as it should be for a 6'2'' pg. runs a very poor fast break.(Totally lacking leadership ability) see Baron Davis

Strenghts: can get to the basket on a regular basis.
I think that's a bit harsh. I thought he created a TON of easy baskets for Nazr and a decent # for Sweetney. I'm also not sure why you say his 3 point shot is getting worse. Nobody's mentioned he's also one of the best pick an roll/pop passers in the game. Isiah just didn't utilize that this year. His attitude and personality obviously have been huge weaknesses throughout his career. They're the reason you shouldn't give up unprotected picks to get him.
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5/5/2007  1:10 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Weakness: Not creative, piss poor passing ability to the post, doesn't create enough easy opportunities for his teammates, can't throw a lob pass to save his life on a consistent basis. very weak mid range game, getting worse and worse with his three point shot not a consistent as it should be for a 6'2'' pg. runs a very poor fast break.(Totally lacking leadership ability) see Baron Davis

Strenghts: can get to the basket on a regular basis.

I think you left out some things when it comes to Steph's strengths. He can effectively guard bigger SG's even before he stepped up his D at the PG position this year his strength allowed him to guard SG's very well. Statistically he's much better against SG's. This was the 1st yr. that he committed to defense and he improved against PG's too.

He is a better passer than some make him out to be. I think it's just that people compare his passing to the best passing PG's and since he's not on their level in terms of seeing the floor, they bash him too harshly. When he does make his passes, for the most part they are accurate. He doesn't throw the lob as much as we may like, but he's successful with it when he does do it. Jamal throws more lobs, but he's had a lot more of them end up in the seats than Steph has EVER had. When Steph had shooters around him on the Knicks he avg'd 9.3 asts and that number would've been higher if we hadn't traded those shooters.

He's a decent shooter, but then he's compared to Baron Davis and for their career's they're practically identical % shooters. Steph is actually a bit better. Baron's been on teams that were well suited to him and he's had a lot of freedom to go for his offense whenever he feels like it. Especially now. Meanwhile recently Steph has been asked to tone down his own offense since he's been here and I think this year he did a good job of adjusting to that and was playing well in our system this year. At this point Steph needs to continue to do what he was starting to do this year. If he keeps doing those things and gets better at feeding the post, he'll be just fine for what we're doing. That along with cutting back on his minutes will really help our situation.
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5/5/2007  3:50 PM
Strenghts: Can get to the paint at will. Not only will he get to the paint, but he can absorb contact and finish. Very strong. Very good scorer, unguardable when his jump shot is falling. Very good in the 2 man game. Very good running the pick and roll or pick and pop. Has a solid midrange jumper though he lacks confidence in it. Streaky 3pt shooter. Takes good shots for the most part. He does tend to take the harder shot than he should down the stretch of games. On defense he is solid when he wants to be. He is strong enough to hold his own against bigger guards. Has trouble guarding quicker/faster guards but when he is focusd would at least put up a fight. Will play through injuries. Has logged from 36-41mins a game every yr since his sophmore season.

Weakness: While he is good at the 2 man game, he struggles to consistantly running the offense for the other 3 players on the court. Labled at 6'2 but he is actually around 6'0. Does have good court vision. Doesn't see the plays form before they form the way Kidd & Nash does. Not good at the post entry pass. Makes bad desicions down the stretch of games. Lacks leadership. Conciderd a cancer by some, conciderd uncoachable by others. Not a consistant playmaker or creater for others unless its a pick and roll or pick and pop. Tends to lose confidence in his teammates at times, Which leads to him trying to do it all himself and dominate the ball. Played for 1 million different coaches. Mins he's played in the past are starting to catch up to him. Injuries are starting to become a concern.
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5/5/2007  5:35 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by bobs3304:

^ You throw a dead eye shooter in with Curry and Marbury (Miller, Lewis), and defenders at the 3 and 4, with a solid bench and you'll have a playoff series win.

Charlie Ward took this team to the Finals w/a dead eye shooter & defenders at the 3 & 4 (Spree & LJ) & Ewing who couldn't guard anyone his last year here as a NY Knick because of his knees... i'd expect a championship if we could put together another team like that w/Marbury's talent, only something tells me this team still wouldn't win one... i just have zero faith that he'll ever be a part of any championship contending team in his career.

LOL, that's the point. I call Dudbury "Nail Soup" good. Which is an old story were an Bum tricks an old woman into makeing soup by adding all these ingredients to a nail in a pot of water, when it's clear to the reader that the woman is making soup and the bum as only added a Nail. Marbury is the Nail and Isiah is the bum.

I can mak a title team from Stephon Marbury!!!!!
First we need an dominate Center to take the focus of the defense.
Then we need a Point guard who can take away all the Point guard Duties and get everybody the ball.
Next we just need a All-star/Franchise Power Forward to be the leader of the team.
Lastly we should add a stud at smallforward who can play D, a sixthman who can take all of the preassure shots and a pretty deep bench

*What the hell do you need Stinkbury for if you have to add all of that forhim to win*

[Edited by - anji on 05-05-2007 5:39 PM]
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