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Who are your top 3 realistic choices for the draft? Lets see if we can find consensus
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4/30/2007  10:15 PM
Posted by kam77:

I dont think Almond or Bellinelli will be there, but i'd take either. OR tiago splitter.

Who is he getting picked in front of then???

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4/30/2007  10:34 PM
1.morris almond
2.sean williams
3.reyshawn terry
honorable mention glen(big baby)davis. have people forgoten about this guy? he can bully nba'ers around in college. i hate to give up on him, but can we trade frye for a pick and pick either big baby or sean williams w/one pick and almond w/the other.
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4/30/2007  11:09 PM
Tiago Splitter
Having the length, quickness, attitude and already some decent strength, just a bit of understanding of the game is required to produce a good defender; and Splitter is oozing with it. The Brazilian shows excellent decision making on defense. He enjoys remarkable lateral quickness, understands defensive angles extremely well and is highly efficient in his movements. If the defensive rotation calls for it, he can switch his matchup onto a wing player and still manage to contain the rival. He also enjoys excellent timing in pick and roll plays, stepping out to slow down the ball-handler and recovering his matchup quite fast.

Splitter never avoids contact in the low post, being able to hold his ground against the physicality of stronger players (up to a certain point). He does a great job of keeping his hands in the air and not reaching down for ticky-tack fouls (although he doesn’t get much respect from the referees, often being called for very questionable fouls due to his age). He also shows good positioning on weak-side defense, nicely executing rotations or quickly going for the block if the proper situation arises, again with nice timing.

However, while he certainly provides some intimidation, Splitter is not a shot-blocking type of defender; he never risks his defensive position for the sake of adding blocks to his stat-line. All in all, he’s quietly becoming one of the best defensive big men in Europe.

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Playing for Tau, if Splitter gets the ball in the high post or further, he will pass it or, much less frequently, put it on the floor to come closer to the basket with the intention of posting up whoever he finds in his way. When playing for Brazil, he doesn’t hesitate to face and attack his matchup while looking for a layup, showing surprisingly good ball-handling skills (particularly considering how little dribbling he shows in Spain), a really interesting first step and some nice footwork. Although still inconsistent, this could potentially become an excellent weapon to better take advantage of his quickness. He even shoots the ball from the perimeter playing for his National Team, enjoying range out to the international three-point line.

Attitude, maturity, intelligence and character are key factors when discussing Splitter’s skills and potential. Whenever other players produce doubts and questions about their real desire and ability to fulfill their potential, the Brazilian transmits confidence in a successful development that already has taken him quite far. Splitter is a hard worker that still puts great effort on improving his weaknesses beyond the team practices. The same attitude is translated to the court, where he delivers full effort throughout the game. Rebounding is a good example, as even if it’s not his best strength, he delivers nice aggressiveness cleaning the glass, particularly on the offensive end, besides showing nice timing. But he’s also a smart player, extremely well coached (and coachable), that accurately executes what’s expected from him, committing few mistakes while slowly (but constantly) expanding his game. He enjoys a high basketball IQ, showing good decision making, and some nice passing ability, especially facing the basket and on the move after putting the ball on the floor while driving towards the basket, although you will also see him passing the ball out of the low post reasonably well.

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4/30/2007  11:14 PM
How about anyone who can consistently hit the outside while playing great perimeter defense. I'll take two of those
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4/30/2007  11:49 PM
1. Julian Wright
2. Marcus Williams
3. Morris Almond
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4/30/2007  11:52 PM
i haven't seen splitter play and the fredric weis saga (and even fran vasquez) hangs in the back of my mind. same thing with bellineli. i'd be tempted, but if a draft pick is used on these guys and they decide to play wherever they are now, that'd be a dagger.

morris almond -- 45% from 3 in the last 3 years in college, premeir scorer and shooter, ideal size for a 2. love everything i hear about him.

sean williams -- his ? marks are what? if this guy went to UCONN he might've been suspended once. this guy was a 3.2 GPA in BC's business school who liked to smoke weed. its not his fault that BC's athletic dept polices its athletes unlike any school in the country (BC has a 100% graduation rate for football and skinner's bball teams usually churn out players who graduate (with some exceptions, obviously williams being one of them). fact of the matter is he averaged 5 blocks a game in a premier conference, was the only player who showed up against a team full of lotto players on the raod vs. kansas and was arguably the most dominant player on the floor, and had a GPA over 3 at one of the top 35 schools in the country. but he smokes weed (according to josh howard, so do most nba players). he doesnt blow lines, he doesnt shoot up, he doesnt beat his girlfriend, these are facts. if hes around at the knicks pick they have to seriously consider him unless almond isnt there. he is a GAME CHANGER and with the matadors on the perimeter and eddy curry's 5" vertical, williams is a NECESSITY on this knicks team. if williams went to UCONN or texas or a premeir bball program he would not have been kicked off the team b/c they make exceptions for their athletes, and he would be a top 10 pick guaranteed.

afflalo is a good 2way player but i'd like either almond or williams.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-01-2007 2:54 PM]
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5/1/2007  12:23 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

i haven't seen splitter play and the fredric weis saga (and even fran vasquez) hangs in the back of my mind. same thing with bellineli. i'd be tempted, but if a draft pick is used on these guys and they decide to play wherever they are now, that'd be a dagger.

morris almond -- 45% from 3 in the last 3 years in college, premeir scorer and shooter, ideal size for a 2. love everything i hear about him.

sean williams -- his ? marks are what? if this guy went to UCONN he might've been suspended once. this guy was a 3.2 GPA in BC's business school who liked to smoke weed. its not his fault that BC's athletic dept polices its athletes unlike any school in the country (BC has a 100% graduation rate for football and skinner's bball teams usually churn out players who graduate (with some exceptions, obviously williams being one of them). fact of the matter is he averaged 5 blocks a game in a premier conference, was the only player who showed up against a team full of lotto players on the raod vs. kansas and was arguably the most dominant player on the floor, and had a GPA over 3 at one of the top 35 schools in the country. but he smokes weed (according to josh howard, so do most nba players). he doesnt blow lines, he doesnt shoot up, he doesnt beat his girlfriend, these are facts. if hes around at the knicks pick they have to seriously consider him unless almond isnt there. he is a GAME CHANGER and with the matadors on the perimeter and eddy curry's 5" vertical, williams is a NECESSITY on this knicks team. if williams went to UCONN or texas or a premeir bball program he would not have been kicked off the team b/c they make exceptions for their athletes, and he would be a top 10 pick guaranteed.

afflalo is a good 2way player but i'd like either almond or williams.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05-01-2007 2:54 PM]

If we used $$$ and maybe Nate or Morris--we could possibly pull off getting both Williams and Almond. The more I watch how the league is turning, the more I realize the need for very high level skill players. We buckled last year because we could NOT shoot the ball at the end of the year--which helped caused a collapse. Throughout the season we were the second WORST team in 3 point differential % only to the Hawks and the second worst shot blocking team. You want to get the best player available--but if you watch the NFL draft--teams go for needs. We cannot accept being a poor shooting/defending 3 point team and we cannot be second to last in shot blocking. If we want to get better--we have to address those concerns--you can't be 2nd to last in two major league categories like that and expect to win. We could NOT fall back on our defense when we had some parts missing because we have not emphasized these areas since IT has taken over. How many times do we have to watch someone taking an open 3 or dunking on us? The ship held together because of REBOUNDING high % Interior shooting and good team hustle. But we need a strategic shift to increase our outside arsenal/defense and to protect the basket better.
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5/1/2007  2:06 AM
I'm with you Briggs, adding a shooter and shotblocker (albeit arguably the best shooter and shotblocker not in the NBA) is of utmost importance to the Knicks. A lights out shooter changes opponents approach entirely on defense to guarding Curry, esp. if Q is healthy and there are two guys that can spot up.

on D, imagine all the times a guy breaks down someone on the perimeter (though its happening less and less with Collins, Balkman, and to an extent marbury's improved D), or beats Curry in the paint only to meet a 6'10" PF with a 7'5" wingspan and 40"+ vert. his name is sean williams and he will stuff anyone who comes in. not only does it alter that shot, but opposing teams' entire mindset is altered. it was really fascinating how teams changed their approach playing BC. williams would have two stone cold blocks and teams would just get rattled, start missing shots, settling for jumpers.

now combine the fact that a) the knicks have two expendable players in nate (there are some who still insist for god knows why that nate should not go but the fact remains he's a 5'9" highlight reel who doesnt listen to his coaches and doesnt look to pass, you simply CANNOT win with guys like this) and frye (who has a wet vag between his legs - pardon my vulgarity but its true with this herb) along with the DEEPEST POCKETS in the entire NBA, and you simply cannot tell me that teams aren't interested in a young big man, a backup point guard, or money. there HAS TO BE A WAY to get a 2nd pick near the end of the first or early 2nd round. there just must be. i cease to believe there is no way the knicks can't get another pick.

the knicks walk out of this draft with almond and williams and they break .500 next yr and make the playoffs, guaranteed.
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5/1/2007  5:42 AM
When we look at picks, we go by where the draft sites place the players. But we all know that Almond is too good to be there at 23. How can all the nba gm's not know this. If he's there, definitely take him. But if not, don't be too disappointed.
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5/1/2007  5:45 AM
Aaron Afflalo
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5/1/2007  8:29 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
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Marcus Williams, Bellinelli, Almond are all decent picks at 23. I'd prefer to trade Frye and maybe Curry to move up.

If you can make a play for Conley, Brewer or Law, I think you have to dangle some of our parts and make it happen.

[Edited by - codeunknown on 04-30-2007 7:04 PM]
conley is a small point - if anything, bigger points are needed in todays NBA. Smaller points get abused regularly in my opinion.

Chris Paul dominates the league and he's smaller than Conley. AI is primetime and TJ is tough to deal with. Raymond Felton looks like he might be a player as well.

Its a matter of deciding whether, in this case, a height disadvantage outweighs superior offensive skill. In my opinion, it doesn't -Conley has the skills and quickness to be an elite point guard. Being 6' 1" instead of 6' 2" isn't a significant drawback.

Plus, Conley has long arms, which should help his ability to guard taller PGs. This kid is the real deal at point if you want an uptempo offense.
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5/1/2007  8:37 AM
Posted by Ira:

When we look at picks, we go by where the draft sites place the players. But we all know that Almond is too good to be there at 23. How can all the nba gm's not know this. If he's there, definitely take him. But if not, don't be too disappointed.

I was kinding thinking the same thing. We probably will have to trade Nate or Frye to get a 15-20 pick and then use that to draft Almond. We can then use our pick at 23 for Williams.
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5/1/2007  8:39 AM
Posted by Ira:

When we look at picks, we go by where the draft sites place the players. But we all know that Almond is too good to be there at 23. How can all the nba gm's not know this. If he's there, definitely take him. But if not, don't be too disappointed.

Its possibile he might be there because its a pretty deep draft. Plus there are more than a few good SG's in this draft. Alando Tucker, Big ten player of the yr, and Afflalo, who led UCLA to 2 straight final 4's are both being projected as late first rounders.
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5/1/2007  5:38 PM
It seems a few members of this forum are trying to grab 3 slices of pie off the plate at during the same meal. We already have brought in Randolph Morris, who would likely have gone as a high draft pick this year. At 23 Isiah will deliver a second draft choice with the 23rd pick. Now we want a third draft pick? I think 3 rookies on the same squad is too much.

Also I think both Sean Williams, and Morris Almond are not the right choices for the Knicks. The problem with the Knick's current lineup is that most of the current players don't play both offense and defense. If you want a scorer who doesn't defend well, Jamal Crawford seems to fit that requirement quite well already. What the Knicks need during the current draft is a player capable of maturing into both an offensive and defensive force. That's why Rodney Stuckey seems a much better choice than Morris Almond imo. Concerning Sean Williams, Isiah has been trying to build up team chemistry and morale in the lockerroom. Apparently Williams received a number of chances at BC, and despite that couldn't manage to behave. You see it over and over again, the loose cannons of the sports world, seem to find ways to shoot themselves in the foot. Not that it is possible that Sean Williams might be able to grow up. But doing what he did, and jeopardizing his ability to earn a good living, so he could indulge his habit, doesn't seem to me to be someone I want on my team.
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5/1/2007  10:55 PM
Posted by rvwink:

It seems a few members of this forum are trying to grab 3 slices of pie off the plate at during the same meal. We already have brought in Randolph Morris, who would likely have gone as a high draft pick this year. At 23 Isiah will deliver a second draft choice with the 23rd pick. Now we want a third draft pick? I think 3 rookies on the same squad is too much.

Also I think both Sean Williams, and Morris Almond are not the right choices for the Knicks. The problem with the Knick's current lineup is that most of the current players don't play both offense and defense. If you want a scorer who doesn't defend well, Jamal Crawford seems to fit that requirement quite well already. What the Knicks need during the current draft is a player capable of maturing into both an offensive and defensive force. That's why Rodney Stuckey seems a much better choice than Morris Almond imo. Concerning Sean Williams, Isiah has been trying to build up team chemistry and morale in the lockerroom. Apparently Williams received a number of chances at BC, and despite that couldn't manage to behave. You see it over and over again, the loose cannons of the sports world, seem to find ways to shoot themselves in the foot. Not that it is possible that Sean Williams might be able to grow up. But doing what he did, and jeopardizing his ability to earn a good living, so he could indulge his habit, doesn't seem to me to be someone I want on my team.

We already have a 6-4 slight of build 2-1 combo guard who is an erratic shooter in Crawford. We need a *consistent gun* from outside--we need afull-sized 2 guard who can match up with other big guards and we still were 2nd to last in shot blocking. Just because we have Randolph Morris doesnt mean we can swap him. I think he's to slow for a team full of slow bigs. Again--like I mentioned earlier in the thread--we were 2nd to last in 3 point % differential[which is huge and also one of the reason eddy gets a double team every time down] and second to last in shot blocking. You cant be second to last in those two categories. To enhance chemistry--we need to fill in pieces of the puzzle that promote balance. I think most people would rather have Sean Williams[with the risk] and Morris Almond over Randolph Morris and Stuckey. Stuckey shot 25% from 3 point land in college in a mid major conference. Almond has the purest shot in the draft and he's 6-6 220
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5/2/2007  7:56 AM
1Rodney Stuckey
2Rudy Fernandez
3Thaddeus Young
4Javaris Crittenton

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5/2/2007  8:01 AM
Briggs,

Stuckey is the only and best option for Eastern Washington. Defenses collapse on him and still he shoots 25% from college 3 and racks up a decent assists. If he were on a more talented team we'd be talking lottery.

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5/2/2007  8:07 AM
"still he shoots 25% from college 3"

is that a joke?????? almond is the only and best option for rice, defenses collapse on him and he shot TWENTY PERCENTAGE POINTS HIGHER FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

he still shoots 25% from college 3 i cant get over this commment. thats like saying "nobody hits behind him and he can't hit fastballs and he STILL hit .145!!!!" 25% from college 3 is horrific and awful.

morris almond, like i said, mid major, defenses focused on him, and he had several FORTY POINT games and shot 45% from 3. not even close.
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5/2/2007  8:52 AM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:

Briggs,

Stuckey is the only and best option for Eastern Washington. Defenses collapse on him and still he shoots 25% from college 3 and racks up a decent assists. If he were on a more talented team we'd be talking lottery.

I've never seen him play--so I cant really comment other than looking at his numbers and size. It's a little bit harder to shoot from a longer range with pro athletes guarding you than playing in the big Sky Conference--that's not to say someone cant improve. I have seen Almond play 3-4 times and was very impressed with his physical size and ability to shoot a high % while facing double and triple teams. He's going to shoot 42-45% from 3 in the NBA and close to 90% from the line--rebound the ball from the 2 and get to the line. He's going to be a big time scorer in this league--a gun and ready to play now. We already have Crawford who is 6-4 who plays a 2-1 combo and shoots erraqticly--why duplicate him?
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5/2/2007  10:25 AM
I think it's clear that we've needed an Allan Houston type of SG for a while now. Almond is that kind of player from what I can see. With our current roster he would give us all kinds of options on the perimeter and open up our inside game a lot more. Besides it's not like he CAN'T pay any D. As long as he gives a good effort and can play team D, he should be fine. He can't be any worse than Jamal is on D.
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