Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

You guys are still at it huh? I was out playing some Ball, but you don't have to worry about me ever commenting in a thread here. This team did a horrible job this year with the teams in our own div. NO one was happy about that nor overlooking that. Despite the many horrible losses we had, this team still had a chance over the last 20 games to get to .500 and make the playoffs. NOW get this and please for the last time understand this. THE INJURIES WERE NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, but a MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS TEAM NOT winning more of it's games at the end of the year.

You're still at it huh? This team was hovering around .500 during a ridiculous stretch where they played 27 out of 35 games against teams that were under .500 at the time. Over the last 20 games their schedule balanced out with as many under .500 as above. NOW get this and please for the last time understand this. THE SCHEDULE WAS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, BUT A MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS TEAM PLAYING .500 BALL DURING THAT STRETCH AND WITH A MORE DIFFICULT SCHEDULE THIS TEAM WAS NOT WINNING MOST OF THEIR LAST 20 GAMES. And that's why they weren't going to make the playoffs. Not because of this BS about injuries.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

You guys are still at it huh? I was out playing some Ball, but you don't have to worry about me ever commenting in a thread here. This team did a horrible job this year with the teams in our own div. NO one was happy about that nor overlooking that. Despite the many horrible losses we had, this team still had a chance over the last 20 games to get to .500 and make the playoffs. NOW get this and please for the last time understand this. THE INJURIES WERE NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, but a MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS TEAM NOT winning more of it's games at the end of the year.

You're still at it huh? This team was hovering around .500 during a ridiculous stretch where they played 27 out of 35 games against teams that were under .500 at the time. Over the last 20 games their schedule balanced out with as many under .500 as above. NOW get this and please for the last time understand this. THE SCHEDULE WAS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, BUT A MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS TEAM PLAYING .500 BALL DURING THAT STRETCH AND WITH A MORE DIFFICULT SCHEDULE THIS TEAM WAS NOT WINNING MOST OF THEIR LAST 20 GAMES. And that's why they weren't going to make the playoffs. Not because of this BS about injuries.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

You guys are still at it huh? I was out playing some Ball, but you don't have to worry about me ever commenting in a thread here. This team did a horrible job this year with the teams in our own div. NO one was happy about that nor overlooking that. Despite the many horrible losses we had, this team still had a chance over the last 20 games to get to .500 and make the playoffs. NOW get this and please for the last time understand this. THE INJURIES WERE NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, but a MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS TEAM NOT winning more of it's games at the end of the year.

You're still at it huh? This team was hovering around .500 during a ridiculous stretch where they played 27 out of 35 games against teams that were under .500 at the time. Over the last 20 games their schedule balanced out with as many under .500 as above. NOW get this and please for the last time understand this. THE SCHEDULE WAS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, BUT A MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS TEAM PLAYING .500 BALL DURING THAT STRETCH AND WITH A MORE DIFFICULT SCHEDULE THIS TEAM WAS NOT WINNING MOST OF THEIR LAST 20 GAMES. And that's why they weren't going to make the playoffs. Not because of this BS about injuries.

Islesfan, you and your buddy TrueBlue are somethin else. So by your estimation Wash. shouldn't have ended the year 2-10 without both Arenas and Butler and should've beaten Clev. Because injuries to key players have little to do with wins and losses, only strength of schedule. The Hornets went 4-7 without both West and Paul.

In the real world key injuries DO MATTER when it comes to wins and losses!!! Sure sometimes a team can overcome the loss of a player or two, but MOST of the time they feel the hit and even more so if you're talking about more than just 2 key players. Every team is different and some teams have enough skilled players left to make up for the loss of a couple of them at the same time, but in most cases teams do falter for a while. This argument is getting tiresome, cuz I know that you guys are smart enough to know that THREE key players lost AT THE SAME TIME, would effect MOST teams in a negative way. Since we weren't a great team to begin with it hit us very hard.

Posted by nixluva:

Who is nullifying bad losses. I'm stating that losing the guys we did, when we did and for as long as we did was a factor in our losing a higher % of the games than we had all season. It's amazing how the losing streaks mounted at the exact time that the injuries happened. Did we lose many games that we should've won, clearly. But to completely ignore the factor that the injuries played in all this is ASININE!!!

I'm not going to post another response to the CRAP you and you're buddies are posting about this. I bet you guys were some of the same ones who predicted the team would go into a free fall when we had the suspensions. Go ahead and forget the heart this team showed and even over the last 20 games this team kept trying. The young guys got better and better, but you guys keep on harping on the negative. The season is over us and i'm looking forward to NEXT year. You guys can continue your hate fest all summer if you like. Have fun bashing your own team. I'll be looking towards the future and the continued growth of this team. I'm not wallowing in this muck with you any longer.

Posted by nixluva:

Who is nullifying bad losses. I'm stating that losing the guys we did, when we did and for as long as we did was a factor in our losing a higher % of the games than we had all season. It's amazing how the losing streaks mounted at the exact time that the injuries happened. Did we lose many games that we should've won, clearly. But to completely ignore the factor that the injuries played in all this is ASININE!!!

I'm not going to post another response to the CRAP you and you're buddies are posting about this. I bet you guys were some of the same ones who predicted the team would go into a free fall when we had the suspensions. Go ahead and forget the heart this team showed and even over the last 20 games this team kept trying. The young guys got better and better, but you guys keep on harping on the negative. The season is over us and i'm looking forward to NEXT year. You guys can continue your hate fest all summer if you like. Have fun bashing your own team. I'll be looking towards the future and the continued growth of this team. I'm not wallowing in this muck with you any longer.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bippity10:

Lovers: the only way your team gets better is to raise the standards.

Bip, I'm with you on that. They call themselves "Lovers" and "Knick fan first" yet they find that lowering of the standards is perfectly accetable.

It's kind of like a parent constantly saying "OK son, shoot for that C on your spelling test!!!!" and they get an F, and the parents say "Well, that's OK. You weren't feeling well, and some of those words were just hard."

On MSG, the lovers were a lot more respectable, b/c at least their delusions were the fact they thought the Knicks would win a championship THAT YEAR and if they didn't, not many changes were needed to be made to get there. At least they were a little fun to poke around with.

I wouldn't say that's the case for all LOVERS but I think it's more so lowering the standard so they can feel good about where they end up. Some LOVERS had the team winning 45-50gms including Nixluva that's a pretty decent standard/expectation but fans like him at the same time will put buffers into that expectation lowering it along the way so they feel good on the inside where the team ends up at. They also aren't realist, they don't look at this team correctly nor does it appear they have a good concept on what it takes to be a winning brand.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bippity10:
Lovers: the only way your team gets better is to raise the standards.

Bip, I'm with you on that. They call themselves "Lovers" and "Knick fan first" yet they find that lowering of the standards is perfectly accetable.

It's kind of like a parent constantly saying "OK son, shoot for that C on your spelling test!!!!" and they get an F, and the parents say "Well, that's OK. You weren't feeling well, and some of those words were just hard."

On MSG, the lovers were a lot more respectable, b/c at least their delusions were the fact they thought the Knicks would win a championship THAT YEAR and if they didn't, not many changes were needed to be made to get there. At least they were a little fun to poke around with.

I wouldn't say that's the case for all LOVERS but I think it's more so lowering the standard so they can feel good about where they end up. Some LOVERS had the team winning 45-50gms including Nixluva that's a pretty decent standard/expectation but fans like him at the same time will put buffers into that expectation lowering it along the way so they feel good on the inside where the team ends up at. They also aren't realist, they don't look at this team correctly nor does it appear they have a good concept on what it takes to be a winning brand.

I don't recall ever saying that I thought the team would win 45-50 games. I believe I was at around 41-46. Let's try to be accurate when speaking for other people please. If I said that I thought the team would start off slowly and get better as the season moved along, why would I predict 45-50 wins? Coming off of last year and with a new coach, I doubt that there were many fans that had the Knicks winning 45-50 games.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bippity10:

Lovers: the only way your team gets better is to raise the standards.

Bip, I'm with you on that. They call themselves "Lovers" and "Knick fan first" yet they find that lowering of the standards is perfectly accetable.

It's kind of like a parent constantly saying "OK son, shoot for that C on your spelling test!!!!" and they get an F, and the parents say "Well, that's OK. You weren't feeling well, and some of those words were just hard."

On MSG, the lovers were a lot more respectable, b/c at least their delusions were the fact they thought the Knicks would win a championship THAT YEAR and if they didn't, not many changes were needed to be made to get there. At least they were a little fun to poke around with.

I wouldn't say that's the case for all LOVERS but I think it's more so lowering the standard so they can feel good about where they end up. Some LOVERS had the team winning 45-50gms including Nixluva that's a pretty decent standard/expectation but fans like him at the same time will put buffers into that expectation lowering it along the way so they feel good on the inside where the team ends up at. They also aren't realist, they don't look at this team correctly nor does it appear they have a good concept on what it takes to be a winning brand.

I don't recall ever saying that I thought the team would win 45-50 games. I believe I was at around 41-46. Let's try to be accurate when speaking for other people please. If I said that I thought the team would start off slowly and get better as the season moved along, why would I predict 45-50 wins? Coming off of last year and with a new coach, I doubt that there were many fans that had the Knicks winning 45-50 games.

Posted by RemBee76:

This "lowstandards" nonesense is the biggest straw man of all, Bip.

So the fans who thought we should keep Larry Brown on had "low standards" because they were "ok" with a 23 win team?

Just asking.