Posted by Bonn1997:

“Any time Detroit scores more than 100 points and holds the other team below 100 points they almost always win.” Doug Collins

OMG! That's hilarious!

I love that quote too. If not for the shear stupidity of how obvious it is that if you score more than the other team you win... he adds 'almost'. I'm still waiting to find out one instance in history where a team scored more than another in a game and lost.

Posted by Solace:

Just for reference, Nixluva. You want to talk about improvement, that's one thing... but let's put this in perspective.

1) Eddy Curry is the WORST in the league in this statistic.
2) Eddy Curry has regressed on many levels and many see it.
3) Eddy Curry is fat and lazy and doesn't try on defense.
4) Eddy Curry has no skill and no interest whatsoever when it comes to important things like passing out of the post.
5) Eddy Curry bitches if he doesn't get a lot of touches -- rewards for a guy who doesn't bother on defense?
6) Eddy Curry's next nearest in this stat was almost twice as efficient as Eddy in these areas. ONCE AGAIN: EDDY IS THE WORST IN THE ENTIRE NBA AT THIS STAT. UNREAL.

The fact that Nixluva is dismissing this so easily shows that Nix is not capable of having a real conversation. If the Knicks went 0-82, the rose colored glasses would still be there.

What Nix really should be saying is "are you surprised that Ey Curry SUCKS and plays ZERO defense?" Then his question would finally make sense and I could answer yes. I'm surprised that an NBA player with six years of full NBA experience decided and was encouraged to not bother on defense, let the other defenders get by him, as to not get in foul trouble or get tired. I'm surprised than an NBA player with six years of experience still has no clue how to pass out of the post... and has no desire to even LOOK for an open teammate when he gets doubled. It's an embarassment to the NBA.

[Edited by - Solace on Apr 25 2007 4:10 PM]

NO ONE is dismissing Curry's flaws. However you can't just ignore the things that he does bring to the table either. In terms of Curry's D, you're exaggerating the case. His team D isn't very good, but he does actually try to defend his man. We've got to get him to the point where he isn't scared to help his teammates shut down the lane on penetrators. He's still in need of cutting down his weight to be more effective in this area.

What we do get from him can make this team a strong offensive team if we can get the inside out game going right. I believe that we will get better at it. He's started to get better at passing the ball, but as Kam77 pointed out, we haven't always made the most of that. He has shown some signs of getting better at passing out of the post and as he started to show at the end of the season, he can add to his game by being able to face up more often.

It seems to me that you and many others have already closed the book on Curry. That's really where we differ. I don't believe he's done developing. You seem to think that he won't get better at the little things and I'm saying that he can and will improve in the other areas of the game. He's made some progress in his offensive game and he still has more to do. He has the most work to do at the other end of the court. Does this mean that we just give up on him? From here on out any improvement he makes in the area of reb, asts, blks will only serve to raise him from being considered for an All Star spot to actually BEING an All Star. For all of the things you mentioned he actually isn't far away from achieving that goal. If Steph can improve his defense after 10 years in the league, certainly Curry can do so at the age of 24 and 5 years in the league.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

“Any time Detroit scores more than 100 points and holds the other team below 100 points they almost always win.” Doug Collins

OMG! That's hilarious!

I love that quote too. If not for the shear stupidity of how obvious it is that if you score more than the other team you win... he adds 'almost'. I'm still waiting to find out one instance in history where a team scored more than another in a game and lost.

Here's one a friend just sent me after I sent him that Collins' line.

Harry Carey is commentating, and the camera pans to a
young couple canoodling during game. He watches it for a moment, and then
states, "I get it now. He kisses her on the strikes. She kisses him on the
balls."

Nix, you really are delusional if you think Curry is actually putting in ANY effort on defense. Maybe doing a matador impersonation is considered effort nowadays, I don't know. And his positives don't outweigh his negatives. His offensive game also stagnates once he's handed the ball because he doesn't pass out of the post. Can he get better in these areas? ONLY IF HE WANTS TO. Despite your claims, he actually got WORSE late in the season. His downsides are just too numerous. Yes, I'm giving on the odds of a player with ZERO work ethic improving. Sorry. I'd rather have someone as lame as Zaza Pachulia than Curry. From now on I'm calling him Y Curry. He lost his D's for no defense and now he loses his E's for no effort. Lazy ass bum. Y "Respect my Authoritah!" Curry sucks ass.



[Edited by - Solace on Apr 25 2007 9:58 PM]

Posted by nixluva:

Curry's main problem is a lack of consistent effort on the defensive side of the court. He actually does defend but you only key in on the times that he doesn't, which fits nicely with your dislike for him as a player. On offense once again you are overstating your point about his passing. He's been passing the ball more and more but you have to realize that he aloing with steph were the main options late in the year and then without Steph he had to look for his offense even more. Yet he did make good passes, to Mardy especially and was developing the beginnings of a face up game. This will allow hiim more opportunities to make passes down the line.

You're going to look really bad when he and this team develop more chemistry and start to pass the ball more effectively. I also look for him to come back in better shape and I think if he does that, he'll be better at the other facets of the game too. We've already heard he's going to be working on those things this summer.

Are you going to look bad if we remain a .400 team like we've been all decade?

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

Curry's main problem is a lack of consistent effort on the defensive side of the court. He actually does defend but you only key in on the times that he doesn't, which fits nicely with your dislike for him as a player. On offense once again you are overstating your point about his passing. He's been passing the ball more and more but you have to realize that he aloing with steph were the main options late in the year and then without Steph he had to look for his offense even more. Yet he did make good passes, to Mardy especially and was developing the beginnings of a face up game. This will allow hiim more opportunities to make passes down the line.

You're going to look really bad when he and this team develop more chemistry and start to pass the ball more effectively. I also look for him to come back in better shape and I think if he does that, he'll be better at the other facets of the game too. We've already heard he's going to be working on those things this summer.

Have you looked bad when none of the pollyanish crap that you've preached the last 3 years has come to fruition?

When Curry is the same player that he's been the last 6 years, will you admit to looking really bad?

No, he'll just obsess with one area Curry has improved in (maybe he gets his FT shooting up to 68%) and say that the next year is the year Curry reaches his potential. Eddy's always one year away from being a star!