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MS
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4/25/2007  11:43 AM
They don't need another player, Deng is turning into an Allstar and they can just mature, who in the east is going to really challenge them next year, the pistons are getting older by the day. They have an unbelievable bench, Thabo, Duhon, Thomas, and Nochi, Sweetney is so fat he never plays which i respect skiles for doing.

Gasol is not that good that they should part with their young guys, they have a smart gm who only deals with isiah
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4/25/2007  11:44 AM
Posted by MS:

They don't need another player, Deng is turning into an Allstar and they can just mature, who in the east is going to really challenge them next year, the pistons are getting older by the day. They have an unbelievable bench, Thabo, Duhon, Thomas, and Nochi, Sweetney is so fat he never plays which i respect skiles for doing.

Gasol is not that good that they should part with their young guys, they have a smart gm who only deals with isiah

thabo is a nice player. they utilized a 2nd rounder that we gave them in the curry deal to leapfrog utah to take sefolosha in the draft last year.
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4/25/2007  11:50 AM
He probably isn't making 30 million over 5, and can already hit a jump shot and defend the two most important positions on the floor
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4/25/2007  12:48 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

Tyrus Thomas aint gonna make a difference this yr. Besides, you put Curry in the middle of that team, and they perhaps the favorites to rep the East in the finals this yr.

Are you serious? Have you even been watching? Putting that sloth in the middle of the Bulls would do nothing but slow them down. They'd be forcing the ball down to him with no chance of getting the ball back. There would be no motion, no open shooters and no movement of the ball. And I haven't even gotten to the detriment that he'd be on defense with guards going to the basket at will.

Put Curry in the middle of that team and they don't make it out of the first round this year.
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4/25/2007  1:14 PM
The Bulls are alright, but they are getting over on the Heat, who have so much age and not enough overall quickness. If the Heat start hitting shots when they get to Miami, they can get back into this series. IF Wade can get some of his swager back, they don't have an answer for him.

I love Deng. Gordon is just a ridiculous shooter. Thabo looks like he's gonna be a good player. I'm not impressed with Tyrus. He's all athletic ability right now and almost no skills. None of the Bulls success is surprising. They were headed in this direction eventually with guys like Hinrich, Gordon and Deng. They've finally started making some good moves. However let's not forget how long it took them to get to this point and how many restarts they've had too. People bash Isiah for changing plans, what do you think Chi has been doing? You keep working on your team until you get it right. That's what's most important.

As for having Curry. You have to also realize that they might use him differently than we do. I don't think they'd look to dump it into him as much. It may be more drive and dish and alleyoop stuff. I believe they had a lot of motion even when he was there and open shots as well. Besides he probably wouldn't avg 35mpg either. HOWEVER, if they get past this old team and face younger quicker teams ahead, that little option of having a Post up guy may prove to be just what they need.
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4/25/2007  1:21 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The Bulls are alright, but they are getting over on the Heat, who have so much age and not enough overall quickness. If the Heat start hitting shots when they get to Miami, they can get back into this series. IF Wade can get some of his swager back, they don't have an answer for him.

I love Deng. Gordon is just a ridiculous shooter. Thabo looks like he's gonna be a good player. I'm not impressed with Tyrus. He's all athletic ability right now and almost no skills. None of the Bulls success is surprising. They were headed in this direction eventually with guys like Hinrich, Gordon and Deng. They've finally started making some good moves. However let's not forget how long it took them to get to this point and how many restarts they've had too. People bash Isiah for changing plans, what do you think Chi has been doing? You keep working on your team until you get it right. That's what's most important.

As for having Curry. You have to also realize that they might use him differently than we do. I don't think they'd look to dump it into him as much. It may be more drive and dish and alleyoop stuff. I believe they had a lot of motion even when he was there and open shots as well. Besides he probably wouldn't avg 35mpg either. HOWEVER, if they get past this old team and face younger quicker teams ahead, that little option of having a Post up guy may prove to be just what they need.

it took the bulls 6 years, but it took paxson 3.

paxson inherited lotto picks of crawford, chandler, jwill and curry. jwill ends his career. so he drafts hinrich. the following year drafts ben and then trades a future pick for #7 to take deng (FANTASTIC trade). he then lets crawford walk and is able to dump more salary by including jyd for only expirings. he signs nocioni on the cheap.

he signs his own coach in skiles.

eddy's heart issue arises so instead of taking back more salary or players, he recoups draft picks.

he then signs ben for only 4 years and trades chandler (in another salary dump) for pj brown.

he then drafts tyrus, utilizes a 2nd round pick acquired to move up and take thabo also.

paxson had a plan. had a vision for a team. had a vision for a coach. and executed it. now, imagine a guy like that with OUR resources of abundant wealth?

his use of the draft is >>>>> better than isiah's.

at some point, dolan has to wake up and realize what's going on around here. but unfortunately, this team is only a toy to him so it doesn't really matter.
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4/25/2007  1:41 PM
To be fair, Paxson had Isiah as his right hand man in building that team.
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4/25/2007  1:43 PM
Posted by martin:

Lakers and Worthy?

i think you're right. but then they didn't repeat.

how about the celtics winning it in '86 and then having the #2 pick? took bias, and they haven't won another championship since.
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4/25/2007  6:02 PM
Posted by martin:

Lakers and Worthy?

Good one.
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4/25/2007  6:06 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by MS:

someone said the bulls have no star yesterday and i think its quite obvious we have effectively help win the Bulls a championship in the next two seasons, they have a team you want to cheer for because they all play defense and are a unit and take on the tough minded nature of their coach......

Much like the Knicks, each player uses the if we had every player we would be playing now mantra that isiah has made famous during his 4-15 finish.

Thebo and Thomas are going to be awesome, and Noah is going to be a great addition of the bench for the Bulls keeping with their theme of drafting winners

Tyrus Thomas aint gonna make a difference this yr. Besides, you put Curry in the middle of that team, and they perhaps the favorites to rep the East in the finals this yr.

The bulls have a solid team, but they are being overrated. Wade is hurting and Shaq can't do it all by himself. Game three should prove differently. Don't forget, that if the bulls get past Miami, they still need to prove themselves against Detroit. Ben Wallace or no Ben Wallace.
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4/25/2007  6:08 PM
The only way we can block the bulls from getting a good rook is to just pick a bad one. They won't trade picks with us and will have to pick high themselves. It's really the only way.
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Posted by 4949:

The only way we can block the bulls from getting a good rook is to just pick a bad one. They won't trade picks with us and will have to pick high themselves. It's really the only way.
I don't think it works like that. I think they already have our pick and can directly take whoever they want. It's not like we have the pick and draft for them. If that were the case, no one would ever trade picks.
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4/25/2007  6:47 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by bigbeast:

Tyrus Thomas aint gonna make a difference this yr. Besides, you put Curry in the middle of that team, and they perhaps the favorites to rep the East in the finals this yr.

Are you serious? Have you even been watching? Putting that sloth in the middle of the Bulls would do nothing but slow them down. They'd be forcing the ball down to him with no chance of getting the ball back. There would be no motion, no open shooters and no movement of the ball. And I haven't even gotten to the detriment that he'd be on defense with guards going to the basket at will.

Put Curry in the middle of that team and they don't make it out of the first round this year.


Unless Isiah becomes the coach of the Bulls, they wont use him the same way we have. Curry gives them an option in the paint when the jumoers aint falling, or they need a basket in a tight game down the stretch.

The perimeter shooters they have can space the floor for Curry and they have good defenders to surround him with on the other side of the ball. If Isiah is serious about building a team with Curry, he needs to look no further than the Bulls roster.
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4/25/2007  7:23 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:

The only way we can block the bulls from getting a good rook is to just pick a bad one. They won't trade picks with us and will have to pick high themselves. It's really the only way.
I don't think it works like that. I think they already have our pick and can directly take whoever they want. It's not like we have the pick and draft for them. If that were the case, no one would ever trade picks.



But why would the option to trade picks with us be in place, if that was the case? I mean it would be an automatic, no question thing to have a pick near the beginning, wouldn't it. I didn't think it was a question, but maybe it's a good question. Anyone know for sure. It just seem strange it would work that way. I must be missing something here.
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4/25/2007  7:26 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:

The only way we can block the bulls from getting a good rook is to just pick a bad one. They won't trade picks with us and will have to pick high themselves. It's really the only way.
I don't think it works like that. I think they already have our pick and can directly take whoever they want. It's not like we have the pick and draft for them. If that were the case, no one would ever trade picks.



But why would the option to trade picks with us be in place, if that was the case? I mean it would be an automatic, no question thing to have a pick near the beginning, wouldn't it. I didn't think it was a question, but maybe it's a good question. Anyone know for sure. It just seem strange it would work that way. I must be missing something here.

Actually my last idea is in question. Why would the bulls have to 'trade picks with us'? I mean obviously they will get to take it away anyway, right? What's the point of 'trading' I guess is what I'm confussed with? This seemed to come up before.
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4/25/2007  8:34 PM
Never mind. I get it now. Geeeezzzzzz!
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4/25/2007  8:52 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
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Tyrus Thomas aint gonna make a difference this yr. Besides, you put Curry in the middle of that team, and they perhaps the favorites to rep the East in the finals this yr.

Are you serious? Have you even been watching? Putting that sloth in the middle of the Bulls would do nothing but slow them down. They'd be forcing the ball down to him with no chance of getting the ball back. There would be no motion, no open shooters and no movement of the ball. And I haven't even gotten to the detriment that he'd be on defense with guards going to the basket at will.

Put Curry in the middle of that team and they don't make it out of the first round this year.


Unless Isiah becomes the coach of the Bulls, they wont use him the same way we have. Curry gives them an option in the paint when the jumoers aint falling, or they need a basket in a tight game down the stretch.

The perimeter shooters they have can space the floor for Curry and they have good defenders to surround him with on the other side of the ball. If Isiah is serious about building a team with Curry, he needs to look no further than the Bulls roster.

why I'm thinking Isiah's going to make a play for Allen
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4/25/2007  9:27 PM
Iverson?
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4/25/2007  9:28 PM
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4/25/2007  9:35 PM
He averaged 15 minutes a game and scored 6.2 a game, but got only 1.5 rpg. He doesn't really strike me anything to look foreward to. What's his strengths?
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