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Bonn1997
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4/22/2007  8:48 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Even enemies of the Knicks don't think this team is gonna be bad in coming seasons.
Where'd you get that from?

It came from the ether, I believe.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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4/22/2007  9:34 PM
This thread in particular, and the atmosphere around this board in general, is sort of an indictment on NY fans, and its why fans from all across the country snicker when NY sticks out its collective chest and calls itself the best sports fan.

So because the Knicks situation has been more famine than feast the past few years, Knick's fans take this as an invitation to now actively root against the team. This is after the Knicks practically dominated the '90s.

The Bulls, whom everybody is getting on their knees for, had to deal with how many years of misery? Did their fans whine and give up on the team? Regardless of the mistakes that have been made, the Knicks are hardly a hopeless situation; unless an uninterrupted flow of 55 win seasons is the only acceptable outcome. Easy to cheer when everything is sweet.

This is one of the problems with the [paul wall] "innanet" [/paul wall] from a sports perspective. Everybody wants to be the GM and nobody wants to be a fan anymore.
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Bonn1997
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4/22/2007  9:42 PM
What do you mean by root against the team? I'm not sure who you're referring to. I'm rooting for whatever means necessary for the Knicks to get a championship as soon and often as possible. I could be equally obnoxious and say anyone supporting the status quo is rooting against the team because they're rooting for a likely failure.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-22-2007 9:49 PM]
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4/22/2007  10:22 PM
NO way..I'm a Knicks fan before I'm a fan of Isiah or DOlan to be humiliated.
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4/22/2007  11:19 PM
I know it's a longshot but I'm praying that the Bulls come away with Durant or Oden.

But I take comfort in knowing that giving up the 9th overall pick after giving up the 2nd overall last year is enough to make Isiah look like a complete incompetent.
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4/22/2007  11:35 PM
So what is the purpose of the Bulls winning the lottery again??? Just to humiliate Thomas and Dolan, yeah great plan! These guys are still rich and will move on regardless. I am a KNICK FAN who roots for no other in my eyes this thread is lame to a real Knick fan. Real fans don't wish humiliation to their team. Alot of you guys on this board fail to fathom this concept. SOOOOOOOOO MORONIC
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4/23/2007  12:32 AM
Posted by buddapaw:

So what is the purpose of the Bulls winning the lottery again??? Just to humiliate Thomas and Dolan, yeah great plan! These guys are still rich and will move on regardless. I am a KNICK FAN who roots for no other in my eyes this thread is lame to a real Knick fan. Real fans don't wish humiliation to their team. Alot of you guys on this board fail to fathom this concept. SOOOOOOOOO MORONIC

Why is that considered to be rooting against he Knicks? It doesn't change a damn thing about their situation. The pick is gone regardless. But if Isiah can look like an even bigger idiot then I think that's awesome.

You want humiliation? Take a look at all the "Knicks fans" who have lowered their standards so incredibly low that they think this was a good season and take pride in winning 10 more games than last year. That's humiliating and they make all Knicks fans look bad.
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4/23/2007  1:04 AM
The notion that it's rooting against the Knicks is wrong. Quite frankly, those who are rooting for this are rooting very hard for the Knicks. The only way the Knicks win is a regime change. Period.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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4/23/2007  7:50 AM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

NO way..I'm a Knicks fan before I'm a fan of Isiah or DOlan to be humiliated.
What about phrasing it as a stay the course Knick fan vs. a fan of Isiah or Dolan to be *replaced*? This idea that you're a Knick fan OR you want change smells as bad as Bush's and Rove's famous false choices about either being for the current Iraq policy or being against the troops.
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4/23/2007  8:09 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

What do you mean by root against the team? I'm not sure who you're referring to. I'm rooting for whatever means necessary for the Knicks to get a championship as soon and often as possible. I could be equally obnoxious and say anyone supporting the status quo is rooting against the team because they're rooting for a likely failure.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-22-2007 9:49 PM]

To say that you are rooting, praying, or cheering for the Bulls to get a top pick is crazy childish. All of this for what, because Zeke traded for a young center? Thats why he deserves humiliation? I dont remember much outrage when the trade was made, and the only reason why this trade is even close is because of the Larry Brown led tank job.

This thread is typical NY. Clearly. Because things havent gone well the past couple of years, that invites abject myopia where there is no hope for the future unless everyone is fired. Whatever. Do your thing.


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4/23/2007  9:16 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by buddapaw:

So what is the purpose of the Bulls winning the lottery again??? Just to humiliate Thomas and Dolan, yeah great plan! These guys are still rich and will move on regardless. I am a KNICK FAN who roots for no other in my eyes this thread is lame to a real Knick fan. Real fans don't wish humiliation to their team. Alot of you guys on this board fail to fathom this concept. SOOOOOOOOO MORONIC

Why is that considered to be rooting against he Knicks? It doesn't change a damn thing about their situation. The pick is gone regardless. But if Isiah can look like an even bigger idiot then I think that's awesome.

You want humiliation? Take a look at all the "Knicks fans" who have lowered their standards so incredibly low that they think this was a good season and take pride in winning 10 more games than last year. That's humiliating and they make all Knicks fans look bad.


Yes the trade sucks but Thomas didn't fathom what happened in the Larry Brown year(god I hate that bastard) and this year, the team lost a year of development when you really look at it without the anti-Thomas/Dolan eyewear. You guys are bringing up the past even though we haven't won jack crap in thirty years. This is a young team, the teams who are on top now were young teams when the Knick were good. Toronto who had not one but two franchise players over the last 10 years can we say that? The Knick have never been the same since Andrew dickwad Lang broke Ewing's wrist when he actually had a supporting cast to do some damage. Pardon me if I don't grab my pitchfork and join your mob.
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4/23/2007  9:17 AM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bonn1997:

What do you mean by root against the team? I'm not sure who you're referring to. I'm rooting for whatever means necessary for the Knicks to get a championship as soon and often as possible. I could be equally obnoxious and say anyone supporting the status quo is rooting against the team because they're rooting for a likely failure.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-22-2007 9:49 PM]

To say that you are rooting, praying, or cheering for the Bulls to get a top pick is crazy childish. All of this for what, because Zeke traded for a young center? Thats why he deserves humiliation? I dont remember much outrage when the trade was made, and the only reason why this trade is even close is because of the Larry Brown led tank job.

This thread is typical NY. Clearly. Because things havent gone well the past couple of years, that invites abject myopia where there is no hope for the future unless everyone is fired. Whatever. Do your thing.
Dude what's your obsession with humiliation? I never cited humiliation

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4/23/2007  9:45 AM
Like what some others have said, frankly it doesn't matter to me who Oden and Durant go to.
All I know is that Isiah SCREWED up and we have no shot at them.

That said, I hope he doesn't go to the Bulls only cause that would be too much to bear.
I might just melt.
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4/23/2007  10:26 AM
If the Bulls win the lottery I think I would shoot myself. Metaphorically speaking of course.
I just hope that people will like me
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4/23/2007  10:27 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

If the Bulls win the lottery I think I would shoot myself. Metaphorically speaking of course.

if the bulls win the lottery, i think i would shoot bip. no, seriously, like really shoot bip.
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4/23/2007  10:42 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

If the Bulls win the lottery I think I would shoot myself. Metaphorically speaking of course.

if the bulls win the lottery, i think i would shoot bip. no, seriously, like really shoot bip.


It will be a race between you and me then.
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4/23/2007  10:44 AM
This team and this organization is ****ed, if we come back with the same cast of players we are lucky to lock down the 7-8th seed and i mean lucky. Would I rather have thomas and our pick this year without question because curry has shown he isn't ready to lead or to be a professional.

Look for Ty Thomas to average 15pts 12rbs 3blks in his third year in the league, and Mike Conley Jr. to be the next great pg in the league. Frankly I would much rather watch the Knicks improve with a unit of energy than fold when the going gets tough and make excuses. Isiah is clueless and i think i would at least be eye opening to dolan had the bulls obtained the number one pick and the knicks be the joke of the national media again. Because dolan cares more about the papers than about wasting money on marginal talent.

And we are locked into players that won't help, francis, jefferies, james, and I would even put crawford in the mix because isiah doesn't hold him to the same standard as other players the guy is offensive liability and one of the few players in the nba that can't guard anyone. And unfortunatley instead of starting marbury with collins next year we will have to watch crawford come back without improving his game and takin horrendous possession killing shots.

Addition by substraction of frye, nate, and crawford, bring in artest you can get him for a package of players and i think the kings would do it we need fighters on this team.
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4/23/2007  11:26 AM
Posted by MS:

This team and this organization is ****ed, if we come back with the same cast of players we are lucky to lock down the 7-8th seed and i mean lucky. Would I rather have thomas and our pick this year without question because curry has shown he isn't ready to lead or to be a professional.

Look for Ty Thomas to average 15pts 12rbs 3blks in his third year in the league, and Mike Conley Jr. to be the next great pg in the league. Frankly I would much rather watch the Knicks improve with a unit of energy than fold when the going gets tough and make excuses. Isiah is clueless and i think i would at least be eye opening to dolan had the bulls obtained the number one pick and the knicks be the joke of the national media again. Because dolan cares more about the papers than about wasting money on marginal talent.

And we are locked into players that won't help, francis, jefferies, james, and I would even put crawford in the mix because isiah doesn't hold him to the same standard as other players the guy is offensive liability and one of the few players in the nba that can't guard anyone. And unfortunatley instead of starting marbury with collins next year we will have to watch crawford come back without improving his game and takin horrendous possession killing shots.

Addition by substraction of frye, nate, and crawford, bring in artest you can get him for a package of players and i think the kings would do it we need fighters on this team.

The Knicks didn't just fold when the injuries mounted. They simply didn't pull out wins, but they had a lot of close games, in which they showed a lot of heart in fighting to try to win. Sure they had a few stinkers in there, but overall they kept up the effort level and gave a strong effort in most of the games. You don't want to play wounded and out of character at the end of the year. This team had lost 3 guys that gave this team much of the things it needed to win games. There were HUGE adjustments that they had to make on the fly and they didn't do a great job of closing out games. Teams basically knew that all they had to do was clog the middle and close out on Steph at the end of games and it was a wrap. Frye's poor play, Balkman and Collins inexperience and Nate's immaturity was too much to overcome. They started to play better towards the very end but it was too little too late. Especially with Steph finally going down.

Now we have to make the most out of the 23rd pick and of course hope that Chi doesn't get a gift and move up in the draft. If not for the injuries I believe that Isiah's gamble would've paid off, cuz I don't believe this team would've missed the playoffs. At the least we would've ended up far away from any good shot at the lottery and even right now they don't have a great shot.
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4/23/2007  11:28 AM
here's a better question, how much does the bulls getting #1 or #2 effect the knicks?

will there be more pressure on isiah to win? will there be more pressure on curry?
will dolan demand quicker results?

or will they not even care?
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4/23/2007  11:35 AM
The Knicks aren't that far off from contending for a playoff spot. We were there 'till the final 2 weeks of the season. A little bit better luck w/ injuries would get us closer.

It's curious. Had we not traded for Eddy Curry, Larry Brown still probably wouldn't have worked out. We'd have had Tim Thomas on our team instead. I think we still would have traded him away for someone else's garbage. I think Brown would still have pushed the Steve Francis trade.

And yes, it's possible we still could have won the #2 pick in the 2006 draft. Who would we have chosen? Given that Aldridge seems more or less like the same player Frye is, who would we have gone for? Would we have chosen Roy, Tyrus Thomas, Morrison, or the underwhelming Shelden Williams? Or maybe in Foye, IT would have seen "shades of himself"... or in Rudy Gay, a young T-Mac. Tough to say.

It's a sickening feeling that the Knicks didn't make the playoffs this year, but really, the odds are that the Bulls end up w/ something around the #9 pick. While we've already gone through 2 years of Curry, I think next year's iteration of him will be a beast. The critics will never be silenced, but we'll probably see better numbers across the board.

Don't be so worried about Tyrus Thomas. Under Skiles in Chicago, I don't see him getting more than 20mpg for the next year or two, unless PJ Brown retires. In the end, we got a very similar player in Balkman.

Thomas sure looks impressive in ESPN highlights - two big blocks and a killer dunk - he must've had a killer game, right? IN REALITY, in 9 minutes of play, he contributed exactly 2 blocks and 1 dunk (ie everything we saw in the highlights!).
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