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4/12/2007  11:29 AM
I am not twisted, go look at a game log and look at his shooting percentage for half of his games and you will throw up
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4/12/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:
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If we didn't have Curry this season, I think we have the same record. Without Crawford, I think we're a few games worse.
Agreed about Curry. I'm not sure about Crawford though. It would only be a few games at most.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-12-2007 07:48 AM]

Without the injuries? Obviously that skewed the record. This team wasn't going to end up with this many losses if they remained healthy, so why not be fair about it and qualify that statement a bit?

I believe that this team can survive and thrive minus Jamal IF they get the right player to replace him. However despite his inefficient play he does provide a certain aspect that is hard to replace. He can be unstoppable at times, which he showed this season. He was more frequently taking the ball inside against teams and KILLING them with his penetration. If he continued to develop that part of his game, he would've been a VERY key asset in the playoff push this year. Besides Steph, the only other guy we have that can create his own shot in a similar way is Nate. However Nate isn't the passer that Jamal is and he might even be a worse defender, since he misses assignments and takes chances.

I'm torn sometimes when it comes to Jamal. I think we can keep him and improve the team by adding another SG/SF with size who can stroke it for a higher % and defend better. I get the feeling that Isiah is gonna keep Jamal and at most maybe look to move Frye and maybe Nate. The way he treated Frye this year, you get the idea that he's no longer one of his guys. He doesn't do the things that this team needs from a 4. I also get the idea that he doesn't view Lee as a starting 4 either. I think he brought in Morris to see what he's got and see if he's a guy who can bring that tough presence. He's definitely looking for that Oakley type that can get Curry's back.

One route Isiah could take, would be to sign Matt Carroll for part of the MLE and use the draft pick to take Sean Williams.

Dude, a shooter like Matt Carroll is not the answer to this teams problems. A franchise shooter who can score various different ways (including shooting) and playing defense can go a long way, but not Matt Carroll. You're just not going to be a year in and year out title contender building your team that way.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 04-12-2007 12:58 PM]
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4/12/2007  2:08 PM
Nothings changing until a big time player is here.

And that doesn't include Ray Allen.
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4/12/2007  4:13 PM
Posted by Anji:
LOL, how did you get so twisted on JC??? Yes it is really an accident the bulls got rid of JC and started to win.


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too quote prolly the smartest thing basketball wise Curry has ever said:

"NY has no Ben Gordon"

replacing Craw with Gordon (Chi took him 3rd) as primary backcourt scorer/playmaker = 47 wins and a playoff berth for the baby Bulls.
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4/12/2007  4:30 PM
maybe Ray Allen can get something out of Jerome
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4/12/2007  4:32 PM
Posted by McK1:

maybe Ray Allen can get something out of Jerome

the only thing Ray Allen is getting out of Jerome is directions to the best eats in any town the team happens to be in.
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4/12/2007  4:37 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

maybe Ray Allen can get something out of Jerome

the only thing Ray Allen is getting out of Jerome is directions to the best eats in any town the team happens to be in.

I hope Jerome is gentleman enuff to pick up the tab after Ray dressed him up as a max MLE 5 for Zeke in the 04 play-offs
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4/12/2007  4:48 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Anji:
LOL, how did you get so twisted on JC??? Yes it is really an accident the bulls got rid of JC and started to win.

too quote prolly the smartest thing basketball wise Curry has ever said:

"NY has no Ben Gordon"

replacing Craw with Gordon (Chi took him 3rd) as primary backcourt scorer/playmaker = 47 wins and a playoff berth for the baby Bulls.

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LOL, you know he was saying Crawford is injuried.

Yeah, but the Bulls got good because of Gordon after trading JC, Not Kirk getting better, or Tyson coming back from injury or Getting rid of Pippen/Rose/Marshall or getting Deng or adding Noci or adding Songaila. It was JC out and Gordon in.


[Edited by - anji on 04-12-2007 4:49 PM]
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4/12/2007  4:56 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Anji:
LOL, how did you get so twisted on JC??? Yes it is really an accident the bulls got rid of JC and started to win.

too quote prolly the smartest thing basketball wise Curry has ever said:

"NY has no Ben Gordon"

replacing Craw with Gordon (Chi took him 3rd) as primary backcourt scorer/playmaker = 47 wins and a playoff berth for the baby Bulls.
LOL, you know he was saying Crawford is injuried.

Yeah, but the Bulls got good because of Gordon after trading JC, Not Kirk getting better, or Tyson coming back from injury or Getting rid of Pippen/Rose/Marshall or getting Deng or adding Noci or adding Songaila. It was JC out and Gordon in.


[Edited by - anji on 04-12-2007 4:49 PM]
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pretty much. Gordon had the ball in the fourth and made the plays Craw didn't doesn't don't and its a good chance won't.
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4/12/2007  4:58 PM
Im pretty sure you saw Polycorns too.
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4/12/2007  5:04 PM
Posted by Anji:

Im pretty sure you saw Polycorns too.

is she from Hunts Point?
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4/12/2007  6:08 PM
Where is all the Craw hate coming from...he has his limitations but I think we can see he has been good for the Knicks...Craw's ability to make the interior pass to Curry is because he can shoot the three and get into the lane...His defender has to play him and not lag off on Curry...Craw is not a negative...He needs to be more consistent, sure, but he is definitely a positive for the Knicks...
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4/12/2007  7:24 PM
on a good team he is 25 mpg 10-12 fga per game.

long enough to maybe hit a couple shots to get back in a game or not miss enough to shoot a team out of the game
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4/12/2007  11:50 PM
Posted by McK1:

on a good team he is 25 mpg 10-12 fga per game.

long enough to maybe hit a couple shots to get back in a game or not miss enough to shoot a team out of the game
Until he learns to play defense and improve his shot selection, he has no role on a good team. A good team wouldn't even offer an expiring contract to get him from us.
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4/13/2007  1:42 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

on a good team he is 25 mpg 10-12 fga per game.

long enough to maybe hit a couple shots to get back in a game or not miss enough to shoot a team out of the game
Until he learns to play defense and improve his shot selection, he has no role on a good team. A good team wouldn't even offer an expiring contract to get him from us.

Bonn- debatable about what a good team would offer for him- but a good team would love to have someone like crawford off the bench. He plays defense- its more help/deflection vs strong one on one. On a good team, his weaknesses aren't exposed.
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4/13/2007  3:24 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

on a good team he is 25 mpg 10-12 fga per game.

long enough to maybe hit a couple shots to get back in a game or not miss enough to shoot a team out of the game
Until he learns to play defense and improve his shot selection, he has no role on a good team. A good team wouldn't even offer an expiring contract to get him from us.

Bonn- debatable about what a good team would offer for him- but a good team would love to have someone like crawford off the bench. He plays defense- its more help/deflection vs strong one on one. On a good team, his weaknesses aren't exposed.

He shoots 37.1% as a reserve. Any team would be better using a portion of the MLE on a decent scorer who isn't a chucker.
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4/13/2007  9:34 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

on a good team he is 25 mpg 10-12 fga per game.

long enough to maybe hit a couple shots to get back in a game or not miss enough to shoot a team out of the game
Until he learns to play defense and improve his shot selection, he has no role on a good team. A good team wouldn't even offer an expiring contract to get him from us.

Bonn- debatable about what a good team would offer for him- but a good team would love to have someone like crawford off the bench. He plays defense- its more help/deflection vs strong one on one. On a good team, his weaknesses aren't exposed.

He shoots 37.1% as a reserve. Any team would be better using a portion of the MLE on a decent scorer who isn't a chucker.

Where do you get the 37.1% from as a reserve? From his stats with us? When, even though he wasn't started, he played major minutes of every game, took innumerable bail out shots because our offensive execution sucks?

That is not how you should project how he would do on a better team.

On a better team, he wouldn't be depended upon to produce.

He would take fewer bad shots.

You trade him to a better team that doesn't have the kind of back court we do- and they would use him off the bench- if he got hot, he'd play major minutes. If he didn't, he'd be back on the bench.

Now, you might argue that he wouldn't have hot streaks without being able to go out and play major minutes every night. But, the fact is he's scored 50 pts in this league twice- that takes real talent.

If I was a good team, that needed to add a scoring punch off the bench like what Dallas has with Stackhouse, I would certainly entertain trading for Crawford. I think his contract is somewhat decent- all you have to do is compare his contract to Stevie Franchise- and probably in line with players that have put up his kind of numbers.

So on target with the point of this thread- I think Crawford probably has value, and since we should be rebuilding, I'd trade him in a heartbeat for a mid to late first round pick.
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4/13/2007  1:00 PM
i'd much rather cut the umbilical chord between Isiah & Steph.
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4/13/2007  1:51 PM
Posted by TMS:

i'd much rather cut the umbilical chord between Isiah & Steph.

I'd rather cut the umbilical chord between James and Charles.
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