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TrueBlue
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4/4/2007  3:34 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

Again you're leaving out that we've been playing short handed for a long while. It's reasonable to expect that the only key players left would eventually hit a wall and then we'd have very little chance to win those games. We've had to replace 42 pts, 21 reb and 8.5 asts a night, plus the fact that the guys missing play 30+ mins a game, are our best crunchtime performers and are good FT shooters.

With all of that I just mentioned you think its of little consequence that we're playing without them? PLEASE!


Dirk played without Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse and Devin Harris for very long stretches and their team got better as the yr went along. Your argument doesn't work Nixluva because it's been debunked.

Are you again comparing the Knicks to the MAVS? You just don't get it do you? You can't debunk my argument with that kind of logic.


Yes you can because if you take away from a team good or bad you should see a decrease not an increase. Even if the decrease is minute.
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4/4/2007  3:51 PM
Posted by nixluva:

It's more than finding a ball distributor, cuz steph passes the ball plenty, it doesn't matter tho if you give it to Frye and he doesn't shoot it, or to Curry and he can't pass out of the double team. Then you have Jared, Balkman and Collins who can't really shoot. Francis when he's in there is also reluctant to shoot the open jumper without 1st putting the ball on the floor, which defeats the whole flow of the offense, when the ball is successfully moved. Again I remind you that when we had H2O, KT, KVH and Doleac we had NO PROBLEMS moving the ball and Steph looked more than capable of making the passes. It's as i've been saying, more about what the other players do after they GET THE BALL.

When Steph has high assist games that's the rare occasion when we actually get good finishes to the passes he makes. Just imagine how this team would've been with a healthy H2O and a Rashard Lewis. Do you not think that they'd see the ball early and often? STEPH IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!


Nixluva...Steph does not pass to Eddy a whole lot. Also, get over Steph already...we are not rebuilding around him or with him, etc. He is here for TWO more years and I would not be surprised if he is used as an expiring deal once he becomes one.

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4/4/2007  4:13 PM
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4/4/2007  4:30 PM
April and we still are arguing what style of play is best suited for who.

We were going to win with "vets". Then we thought Nyers hated that, so we went "And1 sytle", and upped the tempo without defense. During the time we were planning on going "uptempo" we went out and signed a "slow it down coach" and gave him 5 years. After a year we fired the "slow it down coach" who couldn't coach the "uptempo team". Now we've decided this "uptempo team" is going to "pound it inside". So now we have "uptempo players" that fit a year or two ago, but don't fit now because they don't work in the "pound it inside system". Now realizing that neither the "slow it down" nor the "uptempo system" works unless you play defense, we have to get rid of most of the guys that excel in the "uptempo offense" because we need defenders. But unfortunately all the guys that don't fit any of the prior systems that we thought would work are stuck here because their salaries are high and are therefore untradeable. So we must keep them and pass on guys that might be a better fit for the current plan/system because we don't have room on the roster for those guys that are better fits for the current "pound it inside" system.

How anyone can come on here and tell me our front office has had a cohesive plan for 3 or 4 years is beyond me. I'd be more willing to accept someone trying to tell me that there are weapons of mass destruction in Tahiti before I'd beleive that one. We are doing everything on the fly. We have no idea what Isiah's next move is because there are so many that need to be done after 3 years of GMing. He is the most blessed man in america to have that job right now.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:34 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:36 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:37 PM]
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4/4/2007  5:38 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

April and we still are arguing what style of play is best suited for who.

We were going to win with "vets". Then we thought Nyers hated that, so we went "And1 sytle", and upped the tempo without defense. During the time we were planning on going "uptempo" we went out and signed a "slow it down coach" and gave him 5 years. After a year we fired the "slow it down coach" who couldn't coach the "uptempo team". Now we've decided this "uptempo team" is going to "pound it inside". So now we have "uptempo players" that fit a year or two ago, but don't fit now because they don't work in the "pound it inside system". Now realizing that neither the "slow it down" nor the "uptempo system" works unless you play defense, we have to get rid of most of the guys that excel in the "uptempo offense" because we need defenders. But unfortunately all the guys that don't fit any of the prior systems that we thought would work are stuck here because their salaries are high and are therefore untradeable. So we must keep them and pass on guys that might be a better fit for the current plan/system because we don't have room on the roster for those guys that are better fits for the current "pound it inside" system.

How anyone can come on here and tell me our front office has had a cohesive plan for 3 or 4 years is beyond me. I'd be more willing to accept someone trying to tell me that there are weapons of mass destruction in Tahiti before I'd beleive that one. We are doing everything on the fly. We have no idea what Isiah's next move is because there are so many that need to be done after 3 years of GMing. He is the most blessed man in america to have that job right now.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:34 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:36 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:37 PM]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dumb_and_dumber/dvd.php?select=6
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4/4/2007  5:46 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by Bippity10:

April and we still are arguing what style of play is best suited for who.

We were going to win with "vets". Then we thought Nyers hated that, so we went "And1 sytle", and upped the tempo without defense. During the time we were planning on going "uptempo" we went out and signed a "slow it down coach" and gave him 5 years. After a year we fired the "slow it down coach" who couldn't coach the "uptempo team". Now we've decided this "uptempo team" is going to "pound it inside". So now we have "uptempo players" that fit a year or two ago, but don't fit now because they don't work in the "pound it inside system". Now realizing that neither the "slow it down" nor the "uptempo system" works unless you play defense, we have to get rid of most of the guys that excel in the "uptempo offense" because we need defenders. But unfortunately all the guys that don't fit any of the prior systems that we thought would work are stuck here because their salaries are high and are therefore untradeable. So we must keep them and pass on guys that might be a better fit for the current plan/system because we don't have room on the roster for those guys that are better fits for the current "pound it inside" system.

How anyone can come on here and tell me our front office has had a cohesive plan for 3 or 4 years is beyond me. I'd be more willing to accept someone trying to tell me that there are weapons of mass destruction in Tahiti before I'd beleive that one. We are doing everything on the fly. We have no idea what Isiah's next move is because there are so many that need to be done after 3 years of GMing. He is the most blessed man in america to have that job right now.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:34 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:36 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:37 PM]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dumb_and_dumber/dvd.php?select=6

LOL

Can anyone say that my assessment is wrong? If so, please elaborate on how you feel that getting to the point we were are has been a cohesive plan.
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4/4/2007  6:06 PM
Actually Dolan is the most blessed man in America to have the job he does. All he did to earn it was be born into the right family. Isiah actually has accomplished something in his professional life on his own.

And he's parlayed that success as a player into duping these morons into thinking he can be an NBA executive. Dolan is the only idiot who, after Isiah's initial contract was expiring, decided that he deserved an extension.
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4/4/2007  6:57 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the bottom line is Eddy is fat

the bottom line is we have been a .400 team all year

the bottom line is none of the guys on this $100mm roster have stepped up when guys are out

the bottom line is Isiah has gotten jack from JJSkinny, Frye, Jerome James, Malik Rose and Francis. Thats about $35mm in FAs, trades and our last lottery pick producing poop

When you trade for an injured player, and that player gets injured its not bad luck. Its poor planning. Q's shooting bailed this team out numberous times during the "we are learning to jell" excuse phase (we are now in the "injuries cost us" excuse phase for those keeping track). Unless you want to concede that Layden was a good GM and successfully added a 20/10 frontcourt player in McDyess, but was just unlucky he hurt his knee.

Please... this team has "underperformed" all year. Eddy is proving what a nonimpact he is with other more important players out. We are getting nothing from expensive add ons. We still have half effort games. If these guys were half as good as people here make them out to be we would be a .500 team. This is stupid

fish- to be fair, marbury has stepped up- which only begs where was he before?

collins and balkman stepping up doesn't count-
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4/4/2007  7:50 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by Bippity10:

April and we still are arguing what style of play is best suited for who.

We were going to win with "vets". Then we thought Nyers hated that, so we went "And1 sytle", and upped the tempo without defense. During the time we were planning on going "uptempo" we went out and signed a "slow it down coach" and gave him 5 years. After a year we fired the "slow it down coach" who couldn't coach the "uptempo team". Now we've decided this "uptempo team" is going to "pound it inside". So now we have "uptempo players" that fit a year or two ago, but don't fit now because they don't work in the "pound it inside system". Now realizing that neither the "slow it down" nor the "uptempo system" works unless you play defense, we have to get rid of most of the guys that excel in the "uptempo offense" because we need defenders. But unfortunately all the guys that don't fit any of the prior systems that we thought would work are stuck here because their salaries are high and are therefore untradeable. So we must keep them and pass on guys that might be a better fit for the current plan/system because we don't have room on the roster for those guys that are better fits for the current "pound it inside" system.

How anyone can come on here and tell me our front office has had a cohesive plan for 3 or 4 years is beyond me. I'd be more willing to accept someone trying to tell me that there are weapons of mass destruction in Tahiti before I'd beleive that one. We are doing everything on the fly. We have no idea what Isiah's next move is because there are so many that need to be done after 3 years of GMing. He is the most blessed man in america to have that job right now.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:34 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:36 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-04-2007 4:37 PM]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dumb_and_dumber/dvd.php?select=6

LOL

Can anyone say that my assessment is wrong? If so, please elaborate on how you feel that getting to the point we were are has been a cohesive plan.

It's 100% right on, I posted the exact same idea as you about a month or two-maybe-back, albeit not in such an elaquint way.
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