And last year they were supposed to be at least a .500 team if not for Larry.

This year they would have been at least a .500 team if not for injuries.

And so on and so on and so on with the excuses as to why they aren't very good. When do you finally realize that they are what their record says they are.

Posted by EnySpree:

If Dallas lost Howard, Jason terry, stackhouse, and dampier.....how would they do?

Those players are the knicks versions of Q, craw, Steve francis, and David lee.

Last yr 2005-2006 Dallas lost

Stackhouse for 27gms
Josh Howard for 23gms
Devin Harris for 26gms

Still won 60gms in a much tougher conference and division.



STFU about injuries DAMMIT!



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-01-2007 10:32 PM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by EnySpree:

If Dallas lost Howard, Jason terry, stackhouse, and dampier.....how would they do?

Those players are the knicks versions of Q, craw, Steve francis, and David lee.

Last yr 2005-2006 Dallas lost

Stackhouse for 27gms
Josh Howard for 23gms
Devin Harris for 26gms

Still won 60gms in a much tougher conference and division.



STFU about injuries DAMMIT!



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-01-2007 10:32 PM]

Bad teams make exccuses about injuries. It's silly and poor. We're not a good enough team to use injuries as an excuse.

Posted by Andrew:

True.....easy man....easy.

You know a poster's losing it when he starts typing in huge red letters.

Sure....everyone is....just ease up on the STFUs.

Jees I hate when people btch about injuries. we were never good this season with or without. scrappy--yes injuries part of the game miami loses shaq for 1/2 season wade for 1/2 season--bottom line it either player is worth more than all those knicks combined. we got our injuries and could not step up--nothing more nothing less. i want to when i read this stuff. it wouldve been great to have every player every minute every game--that is not the norm--we bought Q hurt--so no excuse there--jc and lee down--other guys need to step up---frye hasnt scored and jefferies cant which puts to much pressure on the offense-that is the story

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Jees I hate when people btch about injuries. we were never good this season with or without. scrappy--yes injuries part of the game miami loses shaq for 1/2 season wade for 1/2 season--bottom line it either player is worth more than all those knicks combined. we got our injuries and could not step up--nothing more nothing less. i want to when i read this stuff. it wouldve been great to have every player every minute every game--that is not the norm--we bought Q hurt--so no excuse there--jc and lee down--other guys need to step up---frye hasnt scored and jefferies cant which puts to much pressure on the offense-that is the story

Yeah, but we gotta try to keep it together. The big red font should only be used in emergencies.

I'd suppose that would be if another INJURY were to occur.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-01-2007 11:04 PM]

Posted by nixluva:

To even try to use Miami as an example to prove that the Knicks injuries aren't an excuse is ASININE!!! For one thing Miam is full of vets and just won the NBA Championship. Even if everything went perfectly this wasn't going to be a great team this year. It's not even about that. This season is about building a base towards the future. We have to put that in perspective.

No one is saying we should expect a perfectly healthy season, but to expect that this team should still be just as potent playing with the guys we have left is a bit much. This team is still playing hard against good competition, so it's not like they've just gone in the tank all the way. We've had some bad losses, but you have to believe that this team could've done better with a bit more good health. The MOST important thing is that we've been able to see growth in some of our young players. Let's hope to see more of our players improve next year. That's what matters most with a young team trying to build towards the future.



[Edited by - nixluva on 04-01-2007 5:13 PM]

You said before the season started that if everything went perfectly the team could potentially win 45-50gms. If they would have accomplished this what kind of team would that have been?


Oh and who compared this team to Miami?


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-01-2007 11:33 PM]

If someone brings up MIami, the injuries they had this year and how they survived them, then they are comparing the Knicks to the Heat.

In terms of my personal predictions for the team, I don't recall saying 45-50 wins. That's not the point anyway. The thing is that things didn't go perfectly. Steph and Frye slumped to start the year, Francis wasn't right either and Jared was hurt. Right there this team was in trouble cuz the opening schedule wasn't easy. We needed everyone and everything to be running optimally. Again an adjustment period was to be expected even if the team was fully healthy. I think most of us felt the team would start slow and pick up their play as the season went along.

The thing is that the final results of this year aren't the MOST important thing. The growth of the young players on this team is the most important thing. Then i'd say next is evaluating who we can rely on and who needs to go. What we need to change to make this team better. This season wasn't about a finished product. It's about starting to get this team going in the right direction. I think we made some progress in that regard. As for the injuries, It certainly messed up the growth process in terms of the TEAM. We will never know how this team would've responded over this important stretch, because of the injuries. It would've been helpful to learn those things. Just judging from how Isiah has been coaching the guys left and how hard they've played, I tend to think we would've done much better.

Again you can't use Dallas or Miami as an example, cuz we haven't even approached their level of success yet. How about we come back to some level of reason and accept that this team was trying to go from one of the worst in the league to a decent team. Maybe make the playoffs and take if from there. No one was saying we'd be a top team in the league inside of one year. That being the case losing the guys we did was a huge loss for this team. I hope they can still pull off a major upset and get into the playoffs.

Posted by nixluva:

If someone brings up MIami, the injuries they had this year and how they survived them, then they are comparing the Knicks to the Heat.

In terms of my personal predictions for the team, I don't recall saying 45-50 wins. That's not the point anyway. The thing is that things didn't go perfectly. Steph and Frye slumped to start the year, Francis wasn't right either and Jared was hurt. Right there this team was in trouble cuz the opening schedule wasn't easy. We needed everyone and everything to be running optimally. Again an adjustment period was to be expected even if the team was fully healthy. I think most of us felt the team would start slow and pick up their play as the season went along.

The thing is that the final results of this year aren't the MOST important thing. The growth of the young players on this team is the most important thing. Then i'd say next is evaluating who we can rely on and who needs to go. What we need to change to make this team better. This season wasn't about a finished product. It's about starting to get this team going in the right direction. I think we made some progress in that regard. As for the injuries, It certainly messed up the growth process in terms of the TEAM. We will never know how this team would've responded over this important stretch, because of the injuries. It would've been helpful to learn those things. Just judging from how Isiah has been coaching the guys left and how hard they've played, I tend to think we would've done much better.

Again you can't use Dallas or Miami as an example, cuz we haven't even approached their level of success yet. How about we come back to some level of reason and accept that this team was trying to go from one of the worst in the league to a decent team. Maybe make the playoffs and take if from there. No one was saying we'd be a top team in the league inside of one year. That being the case losing the guys we did was a huge loss for this team. I hope they can still pull off a major upset and get into the playoffs.

Stfu nixluva ;P

Posted by BRIGGS:

Jees I hate when people btch about injuries. we were never good this season with or without. scrappy--yes injuries part of the game miami loses shaq for 1/2 season wade for 1/2 season--bottom line it either player is worth more than all those knicks combined. we got our injuries and could not step up--nothing more nothing less. i want to when i read this stuff. it wouldve been great to have every player every minute every game--that is not the norm--we bought Q hurt--so no excuse there--jc and lee down--other guys need to step up---frye hasnt scored and jefferies cant which puts to much pressure on the offense-that is the story

It is not just the fact of injuries but who was injured and who replaced them. If I use your Miami example, Shaq was down for 1/2 a season, but he was replaced with Alonzo Mourning and Michael Doleac (both solid vets). Wades goes down for half a season, but he is replaced by Payton and James Posey and Shaq steps up his game (again solid vets). Now in comparison, we lose Lee, Q, JC, and Francis (although I admit Francis might be addition by subtraction). Who do we replace them with? Two rookies and Nate. So our ability to recover from injuries to our vets is not the same as a Miami because we don't have vets to replace our vets. The only point about injuries I think most people are making is that if this team had those players, we would be winnings more of these games and would probably be in the playoffs. Hopefully, next season when injuries come, which they will, guys like Balkman and Collins will have the experience and skills to make up for the loss so that, like Miami, we can continue to win despite the injuries.