It looks like a slight majority for the Bad/Awful over the Good/Great group although it's pretty close. It's closer than I expected. I guess a lot of people don't have the sophisticated logic skills I have.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nixluva:

I think we have a tendency to ignore certain truths. This team is a work in progress and not only with regard to Curry, but in many positions. We have 3, 2nd yr players and 2 rookies that have a lot to learn. We came into this year with no real base for these guys to build off of. So the potential for success in this season was somewhat diminished. We just added one more rook and we'll add another in this draft. That's a good % of the roster that has very little experience and a lot to learn still. This on top of the fact that many of these guys weren't complete players to begin with.

Now we have seen some progress from a few of these young players and that's a good thing. Curry, Lee, Balkman and Collins have all made progress. Frye and Nate seem to have had less progressive seasons, but I believe they're still productive and could make that final transition to where they need to get. We seem to have so little patience around here and tho I understand to some degree, it's a bit silly, given the way the team is headed with more youth.

We'll have to see who Chicago actually get's in the draft and how they play to really make a good comparison. What kind of player do you see Chi needing? What spot will they eventually end up with? Who is likely to be available when they pick? There's a lot left up in the air right now. It's all about the perception that they have a great chance to get someone special, but until it actually happens it's just hype.

Oh man, we have got to find a search feature for some of this guys posts from over the summer.

I've already busted him on 1 thread today by going back to previous threads.

Posted by Bippity10:

Hey it's a bit early to evaluate this. Let's wait 2 more weeks and then we can evaluate it then.

If it took Curry 6 years to get to a point where he can score and do nothing else I think It's fair to give all the draft picks similar time. Balkman could turn into a good player. TT could turn into one. These next two picks could be flops. Why are we evaluating it now? In my view we gave up far too much to get him but I don't think it's a horrible trade. Just not one you do for a guy that is not your emotional and physical leader.

Sarcasm?

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bippity10:

Hey it's a bit early to evaluate this. Let's wait 2 more weeks and then we can evaluate it then.

If it took Curry 6 years to get to a point where he can score and do nothing else I think It's fair to give all the draft picks similar time. Balkman could turn into a good player. TT could turn into one. These next two picks could be flops. Why are we evaluating it now? In my view we gave up far too much to get him but I don't think it's a horrible trade. Just not one you do for a guy that is not your emotional and physical leader.

Sarcasm?

Allan: I just think it's way to early to evaluate this trade. Next year when TT scores 20 in the first week someone will post this poll. Then a week later when Curry scores 30 it will come up again. That's all I'm saying. It's like comparing Balkman to Williams, we just don't know yet.

But I do have opinions on what I would have done, right or wrong. I would never go for a guy that isn't a superstar and give up two potential lottery picks. To me that doesn't make sense. Even if Curry puts up 20 a game there are other ways to build. Doesn't make the trade horrible just that there were more efficient ways to go IMO. Same for Balkman trade. I would never pass on a PG when I just traded for a young Center. A postup player needs a PG. Obviously the more young PG's you draft or audition the better chance you have of finding the perfect one. Doesn't mean that I think Balkman was a horrible pick just that I would have gone in a different direction regardless of how the two players turn out.

Posted by Bippity10:

I brought up the "we are the deepest team in NBA history and no injury could ever affect this NBA title challenging team that Isiah has put together thread" earlier last week. That one was ignored. Yours will be too.

I called him out saying the team "should win 45 possibly even 46gms if everything goes right", you're right he won't touch this. He's cut from the same cloth earl is. Actually when I tried to bring this to his attention last night he responded as if he thought to himself "how dumb was I to say such a thing".

We might have paid a high price, but that alone doesn't make it a bad trade.

Posted by kam77:

We might have paid a high price, but that alone doesn't make it a bad trade.

What do you mean?

Posted by MaTT4281:

Brandon Roy has nothing to do with the debate. What are the chances that Isiah take Roy regardless of what pick it was? We needed a SF, and had we had the number 2 pick, there is no doubt in my mind Tyrus would have been our pick.
Hindsight is an annoying little ****er huh?

Ty isn't projected as a SF though. Roy was projected as capable of playing 3 positions. Morrison and Gay were also there. Here's the kicker. Speaking of Ty, we had Lee and Frye. Ty is more of a natural PF ala Stro Swift. I really don't think that he is as surefire a pick as we believe.

But then again, the old guy loved him and we all know how Isiah ditched the other guys philosophy of defense when drafting Balkman and Mardy COllins and signing Jarred Jefferies....

This trade will be evaluated depending on how the lottery picks the Bulls get out of it develop and how Curry continues to develop. So far edge to us. But long term, Bulls have good chances to really come out on top. Too early to tell, give it a couple of years.

They are not going to be footnotes, eddy doesn't impact the game enough to warrant to high lottery selection and two second round picks. He doesn't deliever wins and isn't a competitor.

And Ty Thomas is going to average a double double for his career. Frankly of you plugged the kid in at center for the next 10 years he puts up 14pts 10rbs 3blks in his sleep. Add another lottery pick in there and tell me 20pts 7rbs 0.8blks is worth it

You guys are not quite getting how this works. It doesn't matter if they produce better numbers overall. It's HOW they get those numbers and how that impacts the teams that we play. In Curry's case, He was able to get the other teams top Center out of the game in a few of the last games we've played and that gave us a chance to win. You are overlooking that impact cuz it isn't sexy enough for you. Still it's a HUGE advantage and we get that on MANY nights during the season. Howard had to sit, BIg Z and Chandler. We didn't have the other weapons available to make that work fully in our favor, but as a team one day we WILL have more weapons to make teams pay. So you have to look at things from a different perspective sometimes.