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3/27/2007  10:06 PM
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I still dont see the part where they say Marbury wasnt at practice

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3/27/2007  10:09 PM
i dont see the implication of marbury missing practice....

i think marbury has been our best player from the start, he was the catalyst of the knicks after the brawl,

also, what marbury is doing is great, its all for a charitable cause and no matter how u spin it, even if marbs is selling the shoes for 14.98, how much profit can he make, i think alot of under privelidged kids arehappy to wear their starburys
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3/27/2007  10:11 PM
Since when is it bad to make money selling sneakers ? I like the sneakers, I wear them to work and they are quite comfortable. If I had younger kids, then I would buy them a pair. Why do we care about how much money is being made per shoe. In business, you take risks, they took one and were extremely successful. Last time I checked, that was called good business. What makes it even more crazy, is that everyone benefits from the Starbury line. People can afford to buy them and Steph and the store makes money. Makes you think if Steph and store can turn a profit by just selling sneakers for 15.00, what in the world is the profit margin with NIKE.
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3/27/2007  10:11 PM
Posted by Elite:

yall are somethin else and truely fail to see the impact of what Marbury has done with the starbury line

I'll ask again. What did he do?

He attached his name to a business venture that targeted an underappreciated market.

And?
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3/27/2007  10:12 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

Since when is it bad to make money selling sneakers ? I like the sneakers, I wear them to work and they are quite comfortable. If I had younger kids, then I would buy them a pair. Why do we care about how much money is being made per shoe. In business, you take risks, they took one and were extremely successful. Last time I checked, that was called good business. What makes it even more crazy, is that everyone benefits from the Starbury line. People can afford to buy them and Steph and the store makes money. Makes you think if Steph and store can turn a profit by just selling sneakers for 15.00, what in the world is the profit margin with NIKE.

It's not a charitable venture if you're pocketing the profits.

It's a business. That's all it is.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-27-2007 10:13 PM]
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3/27/2007  10:16 PM
Posted by Elite:

yall are somethin else and truely fail to see the impact of what Marbury has done with the starbury line

Are you referring to inner-city youth, or afluent suburbanites (where most of the Steve & Barry's are located) or to his image and his personal fortune?

You don't even have to answer any of that. Just answer why Payless. K-Mart, Steve & Barry's, Odd-Lot and others don't get equal praise?
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3/27/2007  10:19 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Michael6835:

Since when is it bad to make money selling sneakers ? I like the sneakers, I wear them to work and they are quite comfortable. If I had younger kids, then I would buy them a pair. Why do we care about how much money is being made per shoe. In business, you take risks, they took one and were extremely successful. Last time I checked, that was called good business. What makes it even more crazy, is that everyone benefits from the Starbury line. People can afford to buy them and Steph and the store makes money. Makes you think if Steph and store can turn a profit by just selling sneakers for 15.00, what in the world is the profit margin with NIKE.

It's not a charitable venture if you're pocketing the profits.

It's a business. That's all it is.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-27-2007 10:13 PM]

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3/27/2007  10:24 PM
It's nice that poor kids can get a decent shoe for a fraction of what it used to cost. That's great. But it's not charitable. Is he giving these shoes away? Is Marbury subsidizing the costs?

Target offers plenty of cheap clothing and shoes. That's not a charity. You can get pretty cheap shoes at Payless. That's not a charity.

Marbury found a niche to sell sneakers to. Great business, but hardly charity. Again, it's nice poor kids can have sneakers, but that's only because he found a niche.
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

i dont see the implication of marbury missing practice....

i think marbury has been our best player from the start, he was the catalyst of the knicks after the brawl,

also, what marbury is doing is great, its all for a charitable cause and no matter how u spin it, even if marbs is selling the shoes for 14.98, how much profit can he make, i think alot of under privelidged kids arehappy to wear their starburys

Sure, but then you see plenty of people who aren't underprivileged buying the sneakers and merchandise as well... instead of buying one pair for $60, they're gettign 4 pairs for $60. Also, there isn't an established market for $15 NBA sneakers. Considering basketball is a way of life in the innercity, it makes a lot of sense to target that market for basketball sneakers. I imagine the % of households with Marburys is higher than Adidas.

No one thinks Walmart is noble for targeting the same demographic.

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Posted by Elite:

yall are somethin else and truely fail to see the impact of what Marbury has done with the starbury line

Are you referring to inner-city youth, or afluent suburbanites (where most of the Steve & Barry's are located) or to his image and his personal fortune?

You don't even have to answer any of that. Just answer why Payless. K-Mart, Steve & Barry's, Odd-Lot and others don't get equal praise?

Steve and Barry are getting praises. There are many articles about his sneakers. They are huge in Fulton county, Atlanta and I know my counsin in Cinn. saying that the sneakers are always sold out. I guess the biggest praises he seems to get are for the number of sneakers he just gives away as well. I guess that is why guys like Wallace thinks it is a movement. While Cuban sees the business aspect. I know where many NFL players also would like to get involve with the "movement".
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3/27/2007  10:33 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Michael6835:

Since when is it bad to make money selling sneakers ? I like the sneakers, I wear them to work and they are quite comfortable. If I had younger kids, then I would buy them a pair. Why do we care about how much money is being made per shoe. In business, you take risks, they took one and were extremely successful. Last time I checked, that was called good business. What makes it even more crazy, is that everyone benefits from the Starbury line. People can afford to buy them and Steph and the store makes money. Makes you think if Steph and store can turn a profit by just selling sneakers for 15.00, what in the world is the profit margin with NIKE.

It's not a charitable venture if you're pocketing the profits.

It's a business. That's all it is.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-27-2007 10:13 PM]

Last week Footwear News an industry magazine recognized the impact Marbury’s product launch had on the industry by awarding Marbury its “Launch of the Year”. Footwear News who also publishes Women’s Wear Daily awards is thought to be the “Oscars of the shoe industry”. Marbury and his partners retailers Steve & Barry's last week also announced they are donating a free pair of Starbury One high performance basketball sneakers to every varsity high school boys basketball player in New York City. The donation of 3,000 pairs of Starbury Ones is part of a new agreement that makes the Starbury brand a Partner of the Public Schools Athletic League (PSAL). The PSAL directs all athletic competition among the 193 public high schools in the five boroughs.

Stephon played in the PSAL while growing up in Coney Island and attending Lincoln High School. As a senior, he averaged more than 28 points and 9 assists per game while leading his team to the 1995 PSAL championship.

"The PSAL helped me get to where I am today and I am real excited to be able to supply free sneakers to all of these kids," Marbury said. "I hope it inspires them to become better players, and even more important better men."

"We are very proud of Stephon Marbury's accomplishments on and off the court," said Donald Douglas, Executive Director of the PSAL. "Our PSAL basketball players will benefit greatly from Steve & Barry's generous gift of Stephon's Starbury Ones basketball sneaker and we are very appreciative of their support. We look forward to future endeavors that bring Stephon, Steve & Barry's, and the PSAL together for the benefit of our student-athletes."

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3/27/2007  10:38 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Posted by Michael6835:

Since when is it bad to make money selling sneakers ? I like the sneakers, I wear them to work and they are quite comfortable. If I had younger kids, then I would buy them a pair. Why do we care about how much money is being made per shoe. In business, you take risks, they took one and were extremely successful. Last time I checked, that was called good business. What makes it even more crazy, is that everyone benefits from the Starbury line. People can afford to buy them and Steph and the store makes money. Makes you think if Steph and store can turn a profit by just selling sneakers for 15.00, what in the world is the profit margin with NIKE.

It's not a charitable venture if you're pocketing the profits.

It's a business. That's all it is.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-27-2007 10:13 PM]

Last week Footwear News an industry magazine recognized the impact Marbury’s product launch had on the industry by awarding Marbury its “Launch of the Year”. Footwear News who also publishes Women’s Wear Daily awards is thought to be the “Oscars of the shoe industry”. Marbury and his partners retailers Steve & Barry's last week also announced they are donating a free pair of Starbury One high performance basketball sneakers to every varsity high school boys basketball player in New York City. The donation of 3,000 pairs of Starbury Ones is part of a new agreement that makes the Starbury brand a Partner of the Public Schools Athletic League (PSAL). The PSAL directs all athletic competition among the 193 public high schools in the five boroughs.

Stephon played in the PSAL while growing up in Coney Island and attending Lincoln High School. As a senior, he averaged more than 28 points and 9 assists per game while leading his team to the 1995 PSAL championship.

"The PSAL helped me get to where I am today and I am real excited to be able to supply free sneakers to all of these kids," Marbury said. "I hope it inspires them to become better players, and even more important better men."

"We are very proud of Stephon Marbury's accomplishments on and off the court," said Donald Douglas, Executive Director of the PSAL. "Our PSAL basketball players will benefit greatly from Steve & Barry's generous gift of Stephon's Starbury Ones basketball sneaker and we are very appreciative of their support. We look forward to future endeavors that bring Stephon, Steve & Barry's, and the PSAL together for the benefit of our student-athletes."

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So you agree with me.

I heard some of the better programs said no thanks to the sneakers because they already have shoe deals with other brands.

Giving away the shoes is all about marketing your business. Free samples is 101.
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3/27/2007  10:40 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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yall are somethin else and truely fail to see the impact of what Marbury has done with the starbury line

Are you referring to inner-city youth, or afluent suburbanites (where most of the Steve & Barry's are located) or to his image and his personal fortune?

You don't even have to answer any of that. Just answer why Payless. K-Mart, Steve & Barry's, Odd-Lot and others don't get equal praise?

Steve and Barry are getting praises. There are many articles about his sneakers. They are huge in Fulton county, Atlanta and I know my counsin in Cinn. saying that the sneakers are always sold out. I guess the biggest praises he seems to get are for the number of sneakers he just gives away as well. I guess that is why guys like Wallace thinks it is a movement. While Cuban sees the business aspect. I know where many NFL players also would like to get involve with the "movement".

Just understand that Ben joined the "movement" because he had no other sneaker deal, and I suspect the same was true for Steph or his contract (formerly with And1, I believe) would have prohibited him from this one.

Why wouldn't someone without a deal want to get in on this one where you make dough while being perceived as doing charity?
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Isles you are lost. Nike gives free shoes and items to NCAA unversities. I hope you are not referring to them when you use the term "programs". Making sure that guys like Lawson and Terry look good in UNC blue isn't want I would like to see as being chartiable. Oh yeah I forgot Jordan did offer Durant a chance to wear some free Nikes. Good work.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
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Posted by Elite:

yall are somethin else and truely fail to see the impact of what Marbury has done with the starbury line

Are you referring to inner-city youth, or afluent suburbanites (where most of the Steve & Barry's are located) or to his image and his personal fortune?

You don't even have to answer any of that. Just answer why Payless. K-Mart, Steve & Barry's, Odd-Lot and others don't get equal praise?

Steve and Barry are getting praises. There are many articles about his sneakers. They are huge in Fulton county, Atlanta and I know my counsin in Cinn. saying that the sneakers are always sold out. I guess the biggest praises he seems to get are for the number of sneakers he just gives away as well. I guess that is why guys like Wallace thinks it is a movement. While Cuban sees the business aspect. I know where many NFL players also would like to get involve with the "movement".

Just understand that Ben joined the "movement" because he had no other sneaker deal, and I suspect the same was true for Steph or his contract (formerly with And1, I believe) would have prohibited him from this one.

Why wouldn't someone without a deal want to get in on this one where you make dough while being perceived as doing charity?

I think Marbury was quoted as saying that after talking to Isiah Thomas and Clyde about giving back something back to his community he wanted to do something like this. I think he approach other bigger companies (Nikes, Addias) but he was rebuff saying that no kid wanted to buy a low dollar sneaker. A marketing firm brought Steph and Steve and Barry together. Also I wouldn't call it marketing if you are giving sneakers away to groups and not mentioning in the press. As he did in Fulton County and Cinn. No real PR deals but everyone can draw their own conclusions.
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3/27/2007  10:50 PM
I don't care at this point if he misses practice for such an event. I don't care how much money he makes. It is a good product Idea, at a cheap price that fills a need for people with little money.
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3/27/2007  10:55 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Isles you are lost. Nike gives free shoes and items to NCAA unversities. I hope you are not referring to them when you use the term "programs". Making sure that guys like Lawson and Terry look good in UNC blue isn't want I would like to see as being chartiable. Oh yeah I forgot Jordan did offer Durant a chance to wear some free Nikes. Good work.

Actually by "programs" I meant some of the high school programs that were offered the free shoes. Like Marbury's alma mater, Lincoln High.
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3/27/2007  10:59 PM
Yo man. Some people just wanna misunderstand on purpose cuz their so blinded by hate. No kid wants to wear pay less shoes. But if you got a pair of affordable shoes and they say starbury on them and the kids know marbury wear these sneakers they will wear them and their parents can afford them. It's a good thing no matter how some want to make it out to be a bad thing.
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Posted by yrubram:

Yo man. Some people just wanna misunderstand on purpose cuz their so blinded by hate. No kid wants to wear pay less shoes. But if you got a pair of affordable shoes and they say starbury on them and the kids know marbury wear these sneakers they will wear them and their parents can afford them. It's a good thing no matter how some want to make it out to be a bad thing.


I think this is the crux of the issue.

Find me one post that says it's a "bad" thing?

Some just don't see it as charity.
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Isles you are lost. Nike gives free shoes and items to NCAA unversities. I hope you are not referring to them when you use the term "programs". Making sure that guys like Lawson and Terry look good in UNC blue isn't want I would like to see as being chartiable. Oh yeah I forgot Jordan did offer Durant a chance to wear some free Nikes. Good work.

Actually by "programs" I meant some of the high school programs that were offered the free shoes. Like Marbury's alma mater, Lincoln High.
They accepted the sneakers though. Aren't they part of the PSAL?
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