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3/26/2007  1:48 PM
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3/26/2007  1:53 PM
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We have some injuries.

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You can't expect us to win a game with these players out.

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How can we possibly play with effort when we're missing these guys?

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3/26/2007  2:22 PM
Posted by islesfan:
the inexplicable part was signing Big Turd to begin with... the trade was a no brainer... no one would have thought this team would finish w/such a terrible record last season under a HOF coach in LB, & the jury's still out on how good the pick will be this season after the swap.

So why not protect the picks?

because Paxson refused to do the deal w/the protection... this is like a broken record already.
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3/26/2007  2:28 PM
without having read anything in this thread I seriously doubt that Isiah could have taken layden's roster a built it into a championship team within 2 years.
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3/26/2007  2:30 PM
He has had four years and we are lucky if we make the playoffs next year
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3/26/2007  2:31 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
the inexplicable part was signing Big Turd to begin with... the trade was a no brainer... no one would have thought this team would finish w/such a terrible record last season under a HOF coach in LB, & the jury's still out on how good the pick will be this season after the swap.

So why not protect the picks?

because Paxson refused to do the deal w/the protection... this is like a broken record already.

Why did Paxson require "no protection" if it was so obvious that the Knicks would be better under LB?
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3/26/2007  2:35 PM
Posted by MS:
AND TMS pleaase the Francis moves was a disaster we all knew it, the anaylsts new it, everyone around the nba knew it, so you don't do it.

i never said the Francis deal wasn't a disaster... you're claiming that Isiah fabricated the story about LB
begging to get Francis... let's consider the actual facts preceeding the trade:

- LB detested Marbury & wanted to get rid of him... Marbury is Isiah's boy... who's more likely to have wanted to bring in a player to potentially replace him on the roster?

- LB called Ariza "delusional" in the press... Isiah was the one who drafted Ariza to begin with... who's more likely to have been the more willing party to include him as part of that deal?

jumping to the conclusion that Isiah is at fault here out of your pure disgust at Isiah & his past history isn't an objective way to analyze the situation without considering the facts.
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3/26/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
the inexplicable part was signing Big Turd to begin with... the trade was a no brainer... no one would have thought this team would finish w/such a terrible record last season under a HOF coach in LB, & the jury's still out on how good the pick will be this season after the swap.

So why not protect the picks?

because Paxson refused to do the deal w/the protection... this is like a broken record already.

Why did Paxson require "no protection" if it was so obvious that the Knicks would be better under LB?

please, anyone who says they thought the Knicks would be as bad as they were last season after the Curry deal was made & LB was hired is just plain lying... there wasn't anyone on this forum who thought the Knicks would be giving up a #2 overall pick in that deal regardless if the pick was protected or not... anyone who claims to the contrary is just playing Monday morning GM here.

& even still, i make the deal... LaMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison or Ty Thomas are not better prospects than Eddy Curry no matter how you slice it, & you still don't know who the Knicks will end up getting w/CHI's pick in the swap this season either.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-26-2007 2:41 PM]
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islesfan
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3/26/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
the inexplicable part was signing Big Turd to begin with... the trade was a no brainer... no one would have thought this team would finish w/such a terrible record last season under a HOF coach in LB, & the jury's still out on how good the pick will be this season after the swap.

So why not protect the picks?

because Paxson refused to do the deal w/the protection... this is like a broken record already.

But I thought you said that nobody would have thought this team would finish the way they did, so what was the risk to Paxson?
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3/26/2007  2:43 PM
Your the gm you make the moves, larry wanted odom for frye, where was he on that one, Isiah lets not forget was sending David Lee to Portland in a package to get miles and the blazers rejected it at the last second.....

And you protect the pic top 3-5 the bulls would have done it in a heartbeat, or you don't do the deal, why do the bulls have any leverage, same thing happend with that awful crawford deal
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3/26/2007  2:45 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
the inexplicable part was signing Big Turd to begin with... the trade was a no brainer... no one would have thought this team would finish w/such a terrible record last season under a HOF coach in LB, & the jury's still out on how good the pick will be this season after the swap.

So why not protect the picks?

because Paxson refused to do the deal w/the protection... this is like a broken record already.

But I thought you said that nobody would have thought this team would finish the way they did, so what was the risk to Paxson?

how am i gonna guess why he demanded the protection be taken off the pick to make the deal? i'm going off the facts, what both Isiah AND Paxson have made public to the press regarding the trade, not my own best guessing regarding stuff i have no knowledge about like some of you are doing here.

did you think the Knicks would be that bad after the trade w/LB as the head coach?
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3/26/2007  2:45 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
the inexplicable part was signing Big Turd to begin with... the trade was a no brainer... no one would have thought this team would finish w/such a terrible record last season under a HOF coach in LB, & the jury's still out on how good the pick will be this season after the swap.

So why not protect the picks?

because Paxson refused to do the deal w/the protection... this is like a broken record already.

Why did Paxson require "no protection" if it was so obvious that the Knicks would be better under LB?

please, anyone who says they thought the Knicks would be as bad as they were last season after the Curry deal was made & LB was hired is just plain lying... there wasn't anyone on this forum who thought the Knicks would be giving up a #2 overall pick in that deal regardless if the pick was protected or not... anyone who claims to the contrary is just playing Monday morning GM here.

& even still, i make the deal... LaMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison or Ty Thomas are not better prospects than Eddy Curry no matter how you slice it, & you still don't know who the Knicks will end up getting w/CHI's pick in the swap this season either.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-26-2007 2:41 PM]

Who put those ants down your pants? Relax. I haven't said what I expected one way or the other. I'm simply asking, why would Paxson be such a stickler for no protection if was obvious that the Knicks would be nowhere near the top 3 picks?
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3/26/2007  2:47 PM
^^ just to get more value out of the pick, and you never know. Maybe Paxson expected Curry to die thereby making the knicks be as bad as LB made them anyways.
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3/26/2007  2:51 PM
Posted by MS:

Your the gm you make the moves

o right, except when you're making a good move, like getting extra picks in trades to get young players that most Knicks fans love in David Lee & Renaldo Balkman, or signing a young C who most scouts project as being a 1st round pick talent... the credit for moves like that goes to Grunwald or Brendan Suhr in your eyes.
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3/26/2007  2:51 PM
^^ that's certainly not a deal breaker. At least for somebody that knows what the hell he's doing.
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Posted by jaydh:

^^ just to get more value out of the pick, and you never know. Maybe Paxson expected Curry to die thereby making the knicks be as bad as LB made them anyways.

Since the marginal value was miniscule, you know - because everyone expected that we'd be considerably better, it seems conceivable that Isiah would have been able to bargain for atleast top 3 protection, no?
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3/26/2007  2:52 PM
Posted by TMS:

& even still, i make the deal... LaMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison or Ty Thomas are not better prospects than Eddy Curry no matter how you slice it, & you still don't know who the Knicks will end up getting w/CHI's pick in the swap this season either.

i disagree, would take either of those bigs over eddy. partly that's just me, but it's nowhere near as clear-cut as you're making it out to be.

actually, totally in hindsight, what could have been a good move with the #2 pick would have been trade it for a later pick that year and another potential lottery pick this year.
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3/26/2007  2:54 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
the inexplicable part was signing Big Turd to begin with... the trade was a no brainer... no one would have thought this team would finish w/such a terrible record last season under a HOF coach in LB, & the jury's still out on how good the pick will be this season after the swap.

So why not protect the picks?

because Paxson refused to do the deal w/the protection... this is like a broken record already.

Why did Paxson require "no protection" if it was so obvious that the Knicks would be better under LB?

please, anyone who says they thought the Knicks would be as bad as they were last season after the Curry deal was made & LB was hired is just plain lying... there wasn't anyone on this forum who thought the Knicks would be giving up a #2 overall pick in that deal regardless if the pick was protected or not... anyone who claims to the contrary is just playing Monday morning GM here.

& even still, i make the deal... LaMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison or Ty Thomas are not better prospects than Eddy Curry no matter how you slice it, & you still don't know who the Knicks will end up getting w/CHI's pick in the swap this season either.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-26-2007 2:41 PM]

Who put those ants down your pants? Relax. I haven't said what I expected one way or the other. I'm simply asking, why would Paxson be such a stickler for no protection if was obvious that the Knicks would be nowhere near the top 3 picks?
like i said, i have no idea why he demanded it... all i know is he demanded it according to what both he & Isiah said... i'm gonna take their words at more value than some fans on a message board who think they know what really went on but really don't.
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3/26/2007  2:55 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by TMS:

& even still, i make the deal... LaMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison or Ty Thomas are not better prospects than Eddy Curry no matter how you slice it, & you still don't know who the Knicks will end up getting w/CHI's pick in the swap this season either.

i disagree, would take either of those bigs over eddy. partly that's just me, but it's nowhere near as clear-cut as you're making it out to be.

actually, totally in hindsight, what could have been a good move with the #2 pick would have been trade it for a later pick that year and another potential lottery pick this year.

if we hadn't made the Curry trade, then i'd agree w/u on the second part... but again, no one knew we'd end up w/the #2 overall pick when the trade was made.

as for the 1st part, every media source, scout & hoops commentator said Curry would have been taken #1 in the draft last year had he been eligible along w/those other guys, so i disagree w/u... it really was that clear cut.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-26-2007 2:56 PM]
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